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Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 16, 2007, 08:03:13 PM
Well, It all begins this week.
I had a couple hours today to do some work on my baby. Monday was going to be the official start of the car rebuilding but I couldn't wait until then. So here's a couple pre-project pics.

Here's a before, for those who haven't seen it

yet(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2886.jpg)


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2846.jpg)


and here's the floor in mid cut

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2972.jpg)

inside rocker cut , still needs more

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2973.jpg)

here's a view from the outside rocker looking into the car.
you can see through the pass. side window from here
hey, there's the e-brake cable

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2971.jpg)


here's some prefab metal work where the wheel well meets the floor and rocker

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2974.jpg)

inside view of outer rocker front

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2975.jpg)


I figured there would have been more rust inside the frame. just some surface rust.
so anyway, the floor is already bent up and ready to be cut to size.
the inside rocker will be cut out where rotted. and a new piece welded along side the old one for added strength.
everything will be blasted and encapsulated before and after the new pieces are welded in

I'm glad the pass. side is in a lot better shape

monday starts my 2 week car body rebuild.
I should have new pics  every evening. ---If everything goes well.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 16, 2007, 09:04:26 PM
You're the man!! Way to save a Fox instead of scrapping it. Of course, it's easy for me to say when you're the one doing all of the work. Anyway, I'll be looking forward to seeing the updates.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on December 16, 2007, 09:12:21 PM
daminc , just one step at a time and you'll see your (Cougar LS) will be reborn again. lol :cougarsmily:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on December 16, 2007, 11:18:00 PM
keep up the good work
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on December 16, 2007, 11:41:08 PM
WOW, that makes my 85 Cougar look mint and not so bad of a restoration....  Maybe I should reconsider scrapping it.....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 17, 2007, 08:00:23 AM
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WOW, that makes my 85 Cougar look mint and not so bad of a restoration.... Maybe I should reconsider scrapping it.....


lets have a look.

It just takes a little patience.  and a place to do it

We'll have to get together some day. we're only about 20 mins. from each other
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on December 17, 2007, 10:20:12 AM
yeah I'd be up for that, but it is a little further then 20 minutes, I am about an hour away from the peace bridge.

I will get some pics today of the floor pan in mine, Mine is covered in rust but the holes are nowheres near that size.....  I have almost all the good metal I need to weld it back up, except the floor pans, may just fabricate something like you are doing...

Keep up the good work, you have given me a renewed inspiration in my restoration....  Thanks.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on December 17, 2007, 01:02:09 PM
WOW! that is ALOT worse than my 84. Now maybe i should save the 84. But also i know i have a new project on my hands. But yeah time and money is the key. Good luck and looks good so far.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 17, 2007, 01:10:25 PM
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yeah I'd be up for that, but it is a little further then 20 minutes, I am about an hour away from the peace bridge.

I'm about 5 min from the Queenston/Lewiston bridge if thats closer
and about 20 min from the peace bridge
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 5.0willgo on December 17, 2007, 02:49:33 PM
Wow, good luck with the project. I give you a lot of credit for attacking this and you're doing a great job so far.

I had a '76 Camaro that rotted out much the same way on both the driver and passenger side. I wanted to save that car but every metal body panel was rotted through along with the dash and cowl so it was sold for parts :(
Title: Update Pics 12-17-07
Post by: daminc on December 17, 2007, 06:34:14 PM
***********Today's update********************

Today I spent a couple hrs. working on my baby.
here's what I did ......

fitted and cut the floor pans I bent up the other day
you can see the inner rocker repair in the 2nd pic

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3001.jpg)


the white around the patch is from media blasting the rust


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3003.jpg)

Here's another shot of the inner rocker

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3004.jpg)

Bent up one of these this morning

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2998.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2995.jpg)

Here's a shot of a dry fit on the car over the existing one.
I couldn't make the 1/4" step in the rocker so I ran a 1/4" bead down it where the step would be. I don't think anyone will notice.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2997.jpg)


I'll have to put the quarter on before the rocker. or at the same time.
the quarter panels are from a TC (thanks to a friend with a last minute idea) so it has to be cut below the body line where the stripe is on my car. the door jamb will be replaced with the red one  and spliced in next to the side window.The panel will have to be cut and spliced just behind my back lights because the cougars wrap around farther then the TC's.
not my favorite thing to do, but you have to use what you can find, seeing birds are easier to find then cougars. esp. 87-88s

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2999.jpg)

the panel will be separated from the well with some of the bracing. some will be cut out of my car to make it easier to replace.
I'll post pics of that job. should be next on the list.
this will give you an idea of what's in there

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3000.jpg)

took care of some other rust problems.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3009.jpg)


here's a shot of the good rocker on the pass. side

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3006.jpg)


and the hole to patch on the pass. side floor

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3005.jpg)

I guess, not a bad day for a couple hrs. I'm juggling my car rebuild with the last of the house remodeling. so it might take a few days longer on the car then i figured.
I'll finish dry fitting  and weld the patches including repair the pass. side floor before the quarters get cut off.

I know someone has to have a question after all that. lol

and yes I have pics of how i made the rocker if anyone wants to know how.---Its pretty easy
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on December 17, 2007, 07:20:42 PM
Impressive bro, keep it up....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 17, 2007, 07:33:07 PM
You my friend have some damn fine body skills. Keep up the good work:D .
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on December 17, 2007, 08:37:58 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;193296
You my friend have some damn fine body skills. Keep up the good work:D .


x2 im impressed with the metal working skill he has shown
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on December 17, 2007, 09:35:21 PM
WOW unbelievable. And I thought I had somethin, shovin sheetmetal under my car and kinda smackin it with a ball peen hammer to ROUGHLY make it fit the surface :hick:
This is a freakin class a restoration we got here.
Title: Outer Rocker Panels
Post by: daminc on December 17, 2007, 11:17:47 PM
here's an easy way to make rocker panels.

I cheated and got sheet metal from Mill Supply because its a good quality and the panels are coated with weld thru primer to keep them from rusting. and they come 5' long which is a problem because of sheet size at some places.no sense in buying a whole sheet for an odd size repair
the panels are 20ga. generic door bottoms with a pre bent edge and are 10" wide.
all the work on my car and i'll only use 1 of those. but i got 3 in case i found something bad.
the floor pan metal was bought at lowes as i was passing by

what you need to do is clamp the piece down to a work bench.
you don't need a fancy brake to do this
you can use a 4x4 thats straight.
clamp it down about an inch back from the edge of the bench.
then clamp a piece of 3/4" black pipe in front of that kinda like this
you can see the pipe sitting on the brake the same place the 4x4 would be

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2993.jpg)

all this does is hold your metal down to keep it from moving. Make sure it's tight.
then clamp 1 board on top and 1 board on the bottom to keep things from warping when it gets bent.
the full length is a real bear to bend using 20ga. a patch panel will be a lot easier.
the more clamps the easier, for leverage
then just wrap the metal around the pipe

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2992.jpg)

I reversed the clamps after i got half way. it moves the leverage from lifting up to pushing forward.

thats how i made it curve
the bend along the frame and floor panel i did by hand with a pair of hand brakes and flattened it with a hammer.
you can buy cheap bead rollers at harbor freight for 100 bucks. they have all the rollers and sheet metal cutter wheels. not bad quality for harbor freight.
if you just make a rocker patch , you probably don't need much fancy stuff to make it match.

this got bent more after the pic got taken

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2995.jpg)

just thought I would spread the knowledge.
the bottoms of our car panels are all curved as they go under the car. fenders, rockers, and quarters. some are curved more then others
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 17, 2007, 11:32:57 PM
Wow :D
Title: Rocker Replacement
Post by: daminc on December 18, 2007, 05:04:33 PM
Today after spending the morning taking apart my powerbook, due to lack of it doing anything at all. I got another 2 hrs in.

Started with some grinding & blasting around the patches, so they can be welded.
dove right into that rocker situation on the drivers side after the blasting. As I was trying to break the welds on the bottom of the panel it fell right off. I guess it was a little too far gone to save.
So I said the hell with that and pulled out the nibbler.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3010.jpg)

cut that sucker right off..

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3011.jpg)

and ended up with a lot of rust on the inner rocker.
so again I said the hell with that.
this time I took my sawzall and cut the entire bottom of the iner rocker off even with the floor.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3013.jpg)


ground it down and cut another piece to replace the entire inner rocker

There it is. its easier to cut when you have a straight edge

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3012.jpg)

cut it to size and clamped it.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3015.jpg)

Now I have something to work with again.
fitted the new rocker on the car.......not bad

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3016.jpg)

here's a pic of the fender with the rocker for line testing.
everything seems to be going good in this department

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3017.jpg)


and another view from farther away.
those whitewalls really stand out on a black fender. lol

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3018.jpg)

and the last pic for today----
here's my old rocker. ready to be shipped in its new box. lol

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3019.jpg)

Until tomorrow.
same bat time
same bat channel
I think you have to be over 35 to get that one.:D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CougarSE on December 18, 2007, 05:47:08 PM
Wow this is amazing!  I love threads like this.  I hang out a lot on 67-72chevytrucks.com because they have massive threads with metal repair. 

Your thread inspires me to work on my 88 Cougar.  I was upset as it had a small hole in the frame rail..  and that is it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: gumby on December 18, 2007, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: daminc;193427
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I think you have to be over 35 to get that one.:D
not quite. im only 28.


nice work on the car! :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 19, 2007, 12:25:34 AM
I may be looking at it wrong but in the last two pics it looks like the bottom of the fender sits lower than the rocker you made. I could be wrong though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 19, 2007, 08:22:04 AM
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I may be looking at it wrong but in the last two pics it looks like the bottom of the fender sits lower than the rocker you made. I could be wrong though.


Thanks for your concern.
It does look like that from the picture. the fender is just hanging there and sitting on top of the rocker because of the bracing behind the fender panel. once the rocker gets cut, the fender will be pushed in against the inner rocker lip. plus the fender needs to move up another 1/4". I couldn't hold it up and take the pic. lol

Your the first one that said something about that. I was wondering how long it would take.

I had also thought of custom making the rockers, so the car would look lowered. but i thought the stock look would be better in the long run 20 years from now, if I sold it.

I'll try to get a few  more pics in before christmas. I'm not sure how much time i'll have. I have some estimates for work to do and we have christmas at our house every year, and a lot needs to be done for the day.

anyway the pics would be boring welding and priming pics of what I've prefabbed so far. and mabe the pass. side floor.
If anyone wants to see the step by step on that, i'll post those also. If not I'll just show a couple finished pics of what i've got so far.

I also don't know how long it takes most of you to load this post because of all the pics. My internet is blazing fast. The cable guys can't believe how fast it is fast. (thats fast)
If everyone is having to wait to long to load this post, PM me and please let me know so we don't make this this one longer, and i'll split things up in another post and link that one from here also.
I think I'll call It................ Part II

jerry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 19, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
Ah ok I though you had it hung correctly. Now that I know it was hanging I know why it sat lower :D . You're going nuts on the car which is great. It's nice to see someone save one instead of scraping it. While you're doing all this work are you going to install frame ties aka subframe conectors? I figure you have the skills to do so and you have a bunch of metal around ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 19, 2007, 11:02:07 AM
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While you're doing all this work are you going to install frame ties aka subframe conectors? I figure you have the skills to do so and you have a bunch of metal around

I'm probably going to do that. I like the way FASTCAT 5.8 did his frame by cutting the floor.It also looks like the most direct path to connect the 2 up, as long as I got the car that ripped apart. I'll wait until the front pans, rockers, and quarters are welded on before I cut the back floor pan. I may have to ask him for some tips, since he's already done it.
my first task is getting rid of all the rust and put the car back together again
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 19, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
I didn't get much done today worth taking pictures of
A lot of looking and planning for the quarters.
a lot of shop cleaning also.

I got some pictures showing why the fender looked lower then the rocker panel.

As you can see the fender is just hanging in front of the rocker.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3022.jpg)

and here's a view at eye level while lying on the floor.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3023.jpg)


that looks better. The fender still has to move up another 1/4"
Not to worry, I wouldn't let my baby out of the garage looking bad.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mywifeskitty on December 19, 2007, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: daminc;193527
......but i thought the stock look would be better in the long run 20 years from now, if I sold it.



now that's optimism :burnout:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on December 19, 2007, 07:05:48 PM
Hate to rain on your parade man but let me first say nice work.
Now seeing as your car is one of the worst rust wise i have ever seen have you noticed that there is alot more rust in hidden unaccessable hard to repair structural places????
The front frame rails where the k member bolts up come to mind as well as the rear torque boxes and fuel tank mounts(they look very rusty from your one pic).
Front fenders,flat floors and even rockers are not that bad to do but the structural parts i mentioned on our cars are very difficult to repair and require alot of measurements,bracing and dissasembly before repairs can begin.
These are places often over looked by many do it yourself restorers.
On my old 88(may she rest in pieces) which i thought was bad(was not as bad as yours evidentley)i removed the eng and trans to have the entire front frame rails fabricated and replaced by a bodyshop only to tear the torque boxes from the frame 1 week later due to being just as rusted as the front.
Also my fuel tank mounts had to be replaced as my tank almost fell out of my car.
After around 1000.00 of frame work i ended up stripping and scrapping the car anyways(waist of time and money).
Just want you to make sure your not making the same mistake,have a good hard lengthly look at the places i mentioned and start stabbing at them with a screwdriver before you continue as all you have done may be in vane and it just may be better starting with a solid southern shell.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 19, 2007, 08:21:47 PM
Believe it or not there's almost no rust past the floor in the rear of the car. I noticed the pictures make my car look a lot worse then it is. There's still is paint on parts of the floor and it still has the black under coating finish from the rear floor pans back to the bumper. and the frame is just surface rust as far as i see. I beat the piss out of it almost everywhere I could get to with a pick hammer, to see if it was rotted through anywhere way before I started. there's almost no rust anywhere around the motor. even under the battery tray. I figured that would have been gone

Im pretty sure most of my car rusted from the inside out because of the salt from the road getting on the boots and melting inside the car. and the drivers rocker from the salt slush between the lanes of the street
The passenger side rocker has almost no rust on it because of this.
If I do find any rotted frame I'll just replace it anyway. This is my way of relaxing and doing something fun. If it takes me 5 years or more to do it, that doesn't bother me
If I was just looking to fix up something quick  I would have dumped it 5 years ago and started over with something better.
So it comes down to, just having some fun and fixing my car along the way.
BTW.... this is also one of the better cars i've put back together. If you can believe that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 20, 2007, 01:09:25 AM
Here's an important question that you obviously haven't thought of yet. You've been calling it the Flintstone car. The floor is almost fixed, so after it's taken care, then what will you call it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 20, 2007, 07:16:16 AM
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The floor is almost fixed, so after it's taken care, then what will you call it?


Thats a good question.
I have thought about that before and wrote
*****Soon to not be the flintstone car**** in the sig.
but thats as far as i got.
Anyone have any ideas?
It would have to show some sort of evolution from before, during and after.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 5.0willgo on December 20, 2007, 08:54:55 AM
Before: "The Flintstone car"
During: "Project Bedrock"
After: "Out of the Stone age"

You're doing an awesome job. I'm really looking forward to seeing the final product.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 20, 2007, 04:14:57 PM
OK I did some poking and prodding around the motor today there is rust on the front frame. where the frame and k member bolt together. seems to be just heavy surface rust, no holes or denting when I hit it with a bar. Looks to be usable and able to be cleaned up by blasting. the wheel sides of the frames are already blasted and primed. I did pick them to see if they were rusted through after blasting.

here's the drivers side frame


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3032.jpg)

and here's the drivers frame looking down along side the tower (more or less)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3033.jpg)

here's the passenger side frame

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3031.jpg)

and here's the passenger side frame looking down the tower
this one is easier to get at. the drivers side is about the same condition.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3030.jpg)

By the looks of the color of rust being dark red. the moisture from the garage is still keeping the rust moist and alive.
and it felt a little damp when i stuck my hand in there.

The rear end of the car is also has a little bit of heavy surface rust in a couple areas but not rotting through anywhere. the battery died on my camera while looking at the front.

The rear end seems to be ok structurally but it's gonna suck getting that undercoating off.

I guess I'll find out if there's anything bad hiding as I go.

Let me know what you think about the rust in the front
I'm open to any thoughts.

I did see a product that will get rid of the rust by recirculating the liquid over the area.....and its non toxic. I'll try to find the link
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 20, 2007, 04:38:55 PM
found it
It's called ----safest rust remover
I didn't know if it was ok to put a link like that on our forum
so i just put the name
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on December 20, 2007, 10:25:04 PM
A link for a product like that would be fine.  I link stuff all the time.  Fantastic progress you are making!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 20, 2007, 10:54:23 PM
Here's the link for the rust removal stuff. from what I heard at the body shop forum It works quite well. there's also a video about it on the site

http://www.safestrustremover.com/default.asp (http://"http://www.safestrustremover.com/default.asp")

I did notice that we don't really have a body or metalworking area of our forum. could be useful for the do it yourselfers who want to share body working Products along withframe and panel repairs for our fox cars as we can't buy much in aftermarket panels.
I notice it's pushed together with interior and appearance

If anyone else needs links to body work supplies  and welding stuff let me know I may be able to help and pass on the info.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks everyone for there input so far. Motivation is what keeps things going.
If anybody sees anything in a pic that i may have overlooked let me know. I'm always up for suggestions or ideas. :cougarsmily:

Jerry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on December 21, 2007, 09:04:20 AM
Yea those pics are kind of hard to see much jerry.
There is definetley rust there but you need to see more of where the tower is welded to the rails as well as the inner ledge behind the front tires and just rearward of the tower to frame.
The front sections are usually good.
The ledge in the inner fender behind the tire allows all the road debri to sit and develop into a mud which rots it out.
There is also a few factory punched holes in this location(their purpose still baffles me)that let water and mud into the rail itself rotting it from the inside as well.
I ended up sealing those holes up so that it would stop that partcular problem(not that my car ever sees any rain or snow anyways lol).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 21, 2007, 11:20:49 PM
In other words, if your shock towers look like this, you may have a problem....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on December 21, 2007, 11:54:04 PM
Exactly,even if they have a small hole,the rot came from inside out.
See how the front of the rail still looks mint but it's toast all the way through right under the tower right through to the other side.
This car was obviously a 2.3 turbo as it is the passenger side rail right near the turbo(excessive turbo heat tempered the metal causing even faster rot) but it happens to v6 as well as v8 cars.
Also like i said,make sure those rear rails at the torque boxes and the boxes them selves are not rotted through as well as the pass side gas tank mount in the rear end valley(it's hard to see without the car being on a hoist but i bet there rotted.
Even my 100k not winter driven TC has a little bit of rust on that mount(not through but still there)reminds me i gotta clean it up and coat it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 22, 2007, 09:12:01 AM
Thanks for the tips. I'll have my project manager look at it again now that I took more apart. If I do decide to get a different body to work with, Is there anyone here at a reasonable distance that could help me out. the body and interior don't have to be worth saving. but if I could find one with a fairly good running motor and frame I would feel better and I wouldn't mind swapping everything over. the transporting has always been my problem. It would have to be a 87-88 cougar or 87-88 TC (but i'm leaning more towards the cougar unless the motor in the TC is really good)

The more I get into it the more rust I'm finding. I'm all up for a good restore project. But I may be replacing to much of this car in the long run. It now looks as if its getting to be at the 40% mark between body, floor and surrounding sheet metal.
It's not that I can't do it. but I don't want to find the parts that I haven't replaced rusting out in 5 years and trying to fix them the rest of my life.
I really just want to do this 1 time.(until I get another one)

This has been my reason not to weld anything on the car yet. I've only got 12 hrs into this project since september, so  I'm not in the position to have lost any time working on it. most of the time was removing the interior and the front end. It would have be done anyway if i got a car to swap with.

Let me hear your opinions and suggestions as I wont be working on the cougar until after the holidays.

Jerry
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Post by: dominator on December 22, 2007, 09:35:37 AM
Jerry it's not that we don't appreciate the time and effort you're putting into your cat,it's the fact that you'll will be fighting structural problems very soon and your car is in really bad shape.
I'd hate to see you do all the exterior work just to have the tank fall out or the rear end rip from it's perches(i know because it happened to me after waisting countless hours and 1000s of my own money which should have went into my TC instead of the rust bucket).
Honestly you can find a nice TC or Cougar with low miles and virtually no rust for 3000.00 or so then you'll have a solid platform to work with.
I found my TC up here for 2200 4 years ago.
I know where a mint TC is up here for 2300 without an eng(but when i say mint i mean mint,you could eat off the floors)and a mint 88 cougar with a 2.3 turbo conversion for 3000.00.
There are cheaper cars for less but you get what you pay for.
Around here and where you are(the salt belt)you have to pay a bit more as these cars in good shape as they are getting harder to find for less than 3g's.
If you want to travel to the southern states i'm sure they can be had for cheap with almost no rot but after transporting them back the dollar figure may be about the same.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on December 23, 2007, 12:37:01 AM
that Turbo Cat is gone Chris...  I already called about it....  I was dreaming of it...  HAHA, I even printed of a bunch of pics of it to show my parents, "my next project car"  LOL
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Post by: dominator on December 23, 2007, 01:07:02 AM
Good to know.
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Post by: daminc on December 23, 2007, 08:56:25 AM
Keep your eyes open guys. Drivable would be a plus. I won't rule out a Canadian car. but the exchange isn't in my favor anymore. If I can find a drivable one, I'd consider a road trip as far down as alabama/ tennessee. but I would have to ask a favor of someone thats close to where the car was found. (to check it out). spring time Possibly would be the best time of year to find one. the roads would be clear.

Like I said We'll be cutting off some more panels to see what's going on in my car after the holidays
Everything is replaceable, just a matter of how far do you want to go and how safe will it be when your done.

My father in law has replaced and repaired frames in cars before, so thats not a problem here. It would be the how much needs to be factor. which also goes for the sheet metal on the car.

If you don't hear from me ........
Have a Merry Christmas guys, and talk to you after tues.
Jerry
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Post by: ZondaC12 on December 23, 2007, 10:52:20 AM
I'll keep my eyes on the wantads/craigslist (not that I dont already :hick: ) I see stuff pop up every once in awhile. I know this is across the state but it sure would be closer than Alabama! :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 23, 2007, 11:00:32 AM
Yes it would. Thanks
Title: Update
Post by: daminc on December 27, 2007, 12:42:54 AM
This weeks progress report----------------

Hope everyone had a good Christmas. Mine was wonderful except for my powerbook dying. Must have cooked another logic board.
so updates with pics will be a little slow until i get reorganized on my studio computer, until the powerbook gets fixed (again).

OK --I spent about 3 hrs today going over the frame and checking structural supports. There's a couple places that need a little repairing. very small, nothing that I cant repair In a couple hrs.

removed the back seat upper today (with a little heat. May need a new plastic seat belt retractor cover for one side. it melted a little. it will never be seen.)

Sheet metal is in great shape back there. just a little rusting around the rear wells. easy to fix

everything under the rear end is in good shape. some rust, some undercoating, and even paint. but no holes that I can find.
some of one fuel tank bracket needs replacing but thats the worst of the rear end section. I believe someone mangled it about 10 or 15 years ago when they dropped the tank for replacement. Not a problem, I'll make a new one.

I may install extra bracing and reinforcement metal as I go. Still not sure what I'm planning to do with her. I may just restore her to her former glory and give her an easy life of cruising and showing off. I guess I'll decide as I'm working on it
If the extra reinforcement is in the car, then I guess I don't have to worry If I want to upgrade anything in the future

So the project will continue with my car.
and if 5.0willgo doesn't mind, I'll be using  "PROJECT BEDROCK"  until she gets put back together

And as they say---On with the Show
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Post by: cougrrr302 on December 27, 2007, 02:43:40 AM
Make sure you fit everything up at once. The quarter, rocker, clamp them in place and make sure they fit well with each other. Then welding/glue bonding is next. I work in a Body Shop and am going to a Tech school for it. This is all I do anymore is resto. You do nice metal work. Looks like you know what you need and know how to bend and roll metal. Personally I like the idea you had about extending the rockers down to add a "lowered" feel to the car. If I find another fox to play with I might try that. How far were you thinking?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 27, 2007, 08:42:27 AM
Thanks,
you probably already noticed nothings welded yet. and the other reason the old door is still on is because it's keeping everything lined up.
I've worked with aluminum for 20 years for my job, and have rebuilt a few cars and a van from the bottom up.
I think I may try to bend up a pair of rocker covers when I'm done to give it the lowered look, they could be epoxied on.

If I didn't do what I do now for a living, this is what I'd probably would be doing.
I may even try using lead on this project. --always wanted to.
If you have any modern day tips on restoration send me a line. I'm pretty open about anything
Title: Rocker Covers
Post by: daminc on December 28, 2007, 10:05:10 AM
Quote
How far were you thinking?


I was thinking just a little something to give it this sort of pulled out effect.
Thats why i'm thinking a cover would be better and would blend better below the wheel flares that we have on our cars.
It would have to go from wheel to wheel


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/05MustangGT.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 13, 2008, 04:49:08 PM
Just to let everyone know, I'm not slackin.

Today started removing misc. items underneath the car. you know, e-brake cables and exhaust and brackets and things. I also scraped off the scaled rust under there

I thought it would be pretty lame to post pics of that stuff. so we're pic-less for this post.

just getting things ready to blast. I'll post pic of the progress next time.
I posted some pics of  quarter panel rust here if anyone is interested.
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=17568 (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=17568")

I also cleaned up after seeing my garage in that "GARAGE" post last week. I can't believe no one said anything about that mess.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 23, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
After a month or so of working 7 days a week I decided to do some work.

Here's a pic of lining up the new fender to position the rocker front.
I used a bunch of rare earth magnets, from hard drives that I had laying around from back in my computer and electronic repair shop days
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3185.jpg)

Here's a shot from under the car. Yep, a paint stick makes a real good shim. lol
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3186.jpg)

Here's a shot of the inside rocker, tacked in place
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3187.jpg)

I've been dreading making this piece for months. I guess it's not bad for something that will never be seen again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3188.jpg)
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on February 23, 2008, 08:57:30 PM
looking good.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on February 23, 2008, 11:11:02 PM
You my friend are the man :D
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Post by: 5.0 tbird on February 23, 2008, 11:17:37 PM
That looks great, nice work. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 24, 2008, 07:00:10 AM
You'll haver to keep this car forever.
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Post by: *MAYHEM* on February 24, 2008, 07:00:40 AM
As I read through this thread I'm sitting here giggling because I remember so many of these guys telling you it wasn't worth saving.
 
You are doing fine work. When it's finished you'll know whether it was worth the effort or not. I'm looking forward to seeing the end result at CatJam and everyone drooling over it. :)
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Post by: mercury-man on February 24, 2008, 08:02:49 AM
Jerry, your patience is a virtue with this project and thanks for the updates. ;)
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Post by: FLSTCI71 on February 24, 2008, 12:03:53 PM
I have to agree with every single post on this page.
 
"Looking good."
 
"You, my friend, are the man."
 
"That looks great, nice work."
 
"You'll have to keep this car forever."
 
"You are doing fine work."
I am not going to comment on the rest of Mayhem's post because I MAY have been one of those guys who told you it may not be worth saving. Hey, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again....
 
Last but not least,
 
"Jerry, your patience is a virtue with this project and thanks for the updates."  x2
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Post by: Chooglin on February 24, 2008, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;205967
I have to agree with every single post on this page.
 
"Looking good."
 
"You, my friend, are the man."
 
"That looks great, nice work."
 
"You'll have to keep this car forever."
 
"You are doing fine work."
I am not going to comment on the rest of Mayhem's post because I MAY have been one of those guys who told you it may not be worth saving. Hey, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again....
 
Last but not least,
 
"Jerry, your patience is a virtue with this project and thanks for the updates."  x2



x 1,000
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 24, 2008, 04:51:10 PM
Thanks guys, I do plan on keeping this car forever. Why not, I've had it about 18 years. For some of you guys, thats already forever. lol
Patience is easy when you don't need to use the car for anything.

I know you guys love a good project. Here's todays pics.

In this pic, you can see what I'm doing.
I've cut out the floor between the frame rail to check for rust.
To my surprise, only a little surface rust. I treated all the bare metal and any rust I couldn't get off with Pickelx.
It turns rust into black oxide and protects new metal from rusting until its primed.  (great stuff)
I then coated the inside of the frame rail and any hard to reach places with encapsulator.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3189.jpg)

Here's the first piece tacked on the floor.
Here's my handy dandy hole punch also. Everything is preped with pickelx. Its also a weld through primer.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3192.jpg)

Boy did I have a heck of a time tacking this. Reaching around the door jamb and trying to get close enough to see with my helmet fogging. But I did it. And I didn't start the car on fire either. lol
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3193.jpg)

Here's the floor patch tacked. Still needs a little more pounding and forming. It's not pretty yet.
I'll do some more welding as I have time during the week. (mabe)
Everything will be ground down and coated with zero rust, which is what the body shops are using nowadays to seal out moisture from rust.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3194.jpg)

Here's the cut I'll be making to replace the quarters.
I can't wait to do that. I hate kneeling down to work.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3190.jpg)
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Post by: daboss351 on February 24, 2008, 04:54:30 PM
damn go man go!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on February 25, 2008, 12:14:23 PM
ive seen a few quarter panels replaced and everyone ive watched do it they used the body line to cut and hang it from. might be easier for ya. But damn good job! You enspire me to fix up my 84!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 5.0 tbird on February 25, 2008, 02:55:43 PM
Way to go man, keep it up!
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Post by: ZondaC12 on February 25, 2008, 04:14:11 PM
WOW that's amazing what a talent to be able to work with metal like that....that's just so cool seeing those panels there looks SOO much better.
 
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 25, 2008, 04:52:42 PM
Thanks guys, It's a start.
I'm glad to not see the ground any more from inside the car.
I still have a few more pieces that I need to cut out and replace on that side. Mainly around the e-brake posts.
I can't believe how solid it got, and its only tacked.
I also started welding the floor solid to the frame.
I'll probably also weld the sub frame connectors on while I'm still on that side.

I'm still glad that the other side of the car is in better shape.

Quote
ive seen a few quarter panels replaced and everyone ive watched do it they used the body line to cut and hang it from. might be easier for ya. But damn good job! You enspire me to fix up my 84!


The problem with that is, I use the backing method for panel repair.
It reinforces the metal, welds with less distortion, and stops blow through.
It also makes the panel lay perfectly flat with the old panel.

You never want to replace a 50"panel on a body line, just in case it distorts.
The rule of thumb for panel repairing is --- If you don't have a full replacement, then try to make the repair as small as possible.
-- Less cutting-- less welding --less filling --less problems.

Although I have hung panels before. I would never do it that way again unless I had to.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This will now start, "Question and Answer Time"
I know someone has to have a few. lol
Jerry
Title: Links
Post by: daminc on February 26, 2008, 07:57:17 AM
Here's some links for the products that I use

Jerry

PICKELX (rust converter/ metal prep)
http://www.orisonmarketing.com/picklex/picklex20.html (http://"http://www.orisonmarketing.com/picklex/picklex20.html")

ZERO RUST (encapsulator)
http://www.zero-rust.com/ (http://"http://www.zero-rust.com/")

Fusor seam sealer (the cheapest price i've found)
http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/Lord_Fusor_FUS_800EZ_p/fus-800ez.htm (http://"http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/Lord_Fusor_FUS_800EZ_p/fus-800ez.htm")

Pre-Bent Sheet Metal (great quality)
http://www.millsupply.com/ (http://"http://www.millsupply.com/")

Cheapest price on welding equipment and supplies
http://www.indianaoxygen.com/ (http://"http://www.indianaoxygen.com/")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 26, 2008, 08:06:12 AM
I've also been logging my hours on my project.
As of Sunday, I'm up to 30 hrs. from the first day pulling the interior and front end. That includes the 3-4 hrs checking the frame for rot during Christmas

Seems like longer when you can't work on it for a while.
I may get e couple hrs in on sunday.
I'll keep you posted.

Jerry
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on February 26, 2008, 09:59:51 AM
Truly impressive work...

With my dislike of rust, I'd have taken the easy out and bought another car... I've junked far better ones that yours...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on February 27, 2008, 12:18:30 AM
I must commend you.  I still have my 92 rustbelt SC that i can't let go (ive even got new rocker panels to replace the rotted out ones).  I bought an auction 88 cougar down south (i moved here recently) and its 100% rust free.  Its a still alot of work...but man, bolts can be removed, I'm not always picking rust out of my hair after working on it..etc. 

Also, I love the use of Hard disk magnets.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 02, 2008, 04:19:32 PM
Today I finished up some welding

Here's my patch over the subframe. It's not that pretty from the inside, but after the dynamat (or something along those lines) goes in, no one will ever see that patch.
the underneath, only has 2 seam lines across it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3218.jpg)

I welded the seams about every 1 1/2" on the front of the car.
Its tough to see after I sealed it up.
I figure its better then a couple spot welds.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3217.jpg)


They're a little hard to find after I quickly took the grinder to them.
every place the metal was joined got welded.
the seam across the top and across the side got end welded and ground down smooth.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3216.jpg)

A quick side shot of the lower rocker front that was made last week.
also patched a hole about half way up. A little above the hood cable
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/IMG_3215.jpg)

Next week, I should be able to finish the floor repairs to the back floor and any other parts on the drivers side.
after that, I'll seal everything I replaced, and then seam seal all the joints. after that sets, the entire side will be ready for a 2nd coat to permanently seal everything inside and out over the seam sealer.
The 2nd coat will be black.
It will also be the finish coat. Since I don't plan on driving it in bad weather ever again. I see no reason for undercoating it. The encapsulator is a satin black for frames and underbody, and also UV resistant.

edit: 32 hrs. into it
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 02, 2008, 04:53:23 PM
This is so freakin' cool! Lookin great. Love the floor, that looks so awesome, all clean welded up sheetmetal strewn about! :D  You're really blastin' along. Like a peterbilt 379 through a 150 year old blown out barn.
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Post by: Chooglin on March 02, 2008, 06:20:21 PM
Simply amazing what you are doing. you have more ambition than I do.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 05, 2008, 11:30:07 PM
All pics taken to this point, are now on my cougar web site. (getting organized)
Also started captions on pics on day 1 section.

http://www.daminc.myjalbum.net/ (http://"http://www.daminc.myjalbum.net/")
Web site is also in my sig.

Jerry
Title: Project update
Post by: daminc on April 04, 2008, 01:50:44 PM
This has been a busy month for collecting parts.

Just got my SFC's and side rail material this morning.
Waiting for my frame braces to arrive.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3314.jpg)

While I'm waiting for the braces, I'll be taking the parts that I need off this Bird. I'll also start fabricating my new frame rails.
My car will now have cornering lamps and the full auto lighting package installed in it
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_3282.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_3283.jpg)

The motor will be pulled when the weather gets a few degrees warmer, and sent to the machine shop.
The C-6 thats in it. will also visit a shop as well
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_3287.jpg)

I hope to find the rest of my motor upgrade while I'm putting the body back on the car. I also hope to get everything together for this next coming winter so I can put the motor in during the long winter months.

I'll shoot some pics this weekend to keep everyone up to speed with the project
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Post by: mercury-man on April 04, 2008, 02:17:12 PM
daminc, You'll like those corner lights... we have them on our cougar also...Thanks for all of your photos. :cool:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: shorangerbird on April 04, 2008, 03:19:08 PM
-be sure to use that wing off the 'bird too....lol:hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 04, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: shorangerbird;212540
-be sure to use that wing off the 'bird too....lol:hick:

LOL
The wing will be for sale soon

As of now, my car will no longer be "The Flintstone Car"
Its about time. My feet are killing me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on April 04, 2008, 04:26:38 PM
Great work !!! I wish I had time to work on my Sport.It's been the busiest 3 weeks I can remember having in a long time.BY THE WAY,your trim piece is in route.I hope to have the console,etc,next week if everything works out.
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Post by: dominator on April 04, 2008, 11:07:25 PM
Great work man!
Only thing i'm wondering is, where did you get a small block c6????
You sure it's not an aod or c4????????
I was pretty sure all c6's had big block bells???
Also make sure when you goto rebuild the SO 5.0L that you use all the HO parts.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 04, 2008, 11:28:41 PM
Quote from: dominator;212593
Great work man!
Only thing i'm wondering is, where did you get a small block c6????
You sure it's not an aod or c4????????
I was pretty sure all c6's had big block bells???
Also make sure when you goto rebuild the SO 5.0L that you use all the HO parts.


Thanks Chris,
I didn't get to jack it up, but the pan is the shape of a C-6, from what I can tell. (square pan with the side notched back in) definately not AOD. also had one in my 78 mercury. I'm pulling it in the garage tomorrow, I'll jack it up and get some pics of what I got for sure.
The motor is going performance all the way around for sure. Like they say, do it right the first time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1BadBird on April 05, 2008, 05:53:00 AM
Yes there were small block c-6s. I had 2 of them. One was in my 1/2 ton 4X4 behind a 302 and the other came from a van with the same engine. Nice and easy to modify for extra torque capacity :evilgrin:
Title: Drivers Side Floor Repair
Post by: daminc on April 06, 2008, 08:02:45 PM
As I said, I'll keep everyone updated this weekend.
Today was a great day to work on the car. The sun was shining, the birds were singing. and there's nothing like the smell of burning metal in the morning. and to top it off, it was 62 degrees today.

 I started today with 1 goal. Finish the drivers side floor.

Here's the rear floor on the drivers side. It's looking a little rough.
I had a thought the other day. I would use the floor out of the bird to repair my car. But after I took the carpet out, I found that it was worse then mine. and that car was said to be from California originally.

this is the start of the cut out.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3317.jpg)

Nothing like feeling that your moving in a backwards direction
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3318.jpg)

Here's my piece for a template
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3319.jpg)

Piece cut out
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3322.jpg)

piece bent to fit
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3323.jpg)

Here's the official dry run pic
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3324.jpg)

and here's the official retrimming pic
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3325.jpg)

Everything is treated with pickelX. including new metal
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3326.jpg)

the piece tacked in
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3328.jpg)

heres the pic of it done
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3329.jpg)

[COLOR="DarkRed"]LUNCH TIME![/COLOR]
MMMMMM PIZZA
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3330.jpg)

Heres the next fix over the E-brake post
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3331.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3334.jpg)

repair around the seat bolt
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3335.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3336.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3337.jpg)

here's the floor all repaired, including the hole where the pan plug used to be.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3338.jpg)

Here's the floor with a quick grind down. I'm thinking It doesn't have to be 100% perfect. I'm just going to cover it with sound deadener again anyway.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3339.jpg)

And the finished product. This is the first coat. all the seams will be sealed before the second coat goes on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3340.jpg)

Goal Reached!!
I still have to finish welding the front and prime it.
I should be able to finish the passenger side next week. There less to repair on that side. Then its on to the SFCs, seat braces, and jacking rails.
It looks a lot less scary to see a solid floor now. The underside will be blasted and primed, when I do the frame work.

Thats my project for this weekend. Another 5-1/2 hrs. to get added to the time tracking.

TOTAL TIME: 37-1/2 hours
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 06, 2008, 08:42:54 PM
Looks great. I still can't believe how fast you're getting this done. That's dedication raht there I don't care who y'are!!! lol
 
I was goin nuts this weekend too finally ol' NY winter is going by the wayside. Roads are spotless (at least here anyway) and I been out cruisin' and just enjoying the fresh air. So much better to work on stuff in too. I'm sure the metal-burning experience is enhanced as well. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thundr306 on April 06, 2008, 08:42:56 PM
All I can say is that is total dedication to keeping your car.
Jim
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 06, 2008, 09:26:47 PM
This whole thing is incredible (this is the first time I'd seen the thread since getting high speed). Now I wish I hadn't junked that Turbo Coupe now - it was in much better shape, but the front frame rails were shot...

I think you may be the first one to do an actual restoration to one of these cars like somebody would do to, say, a '65 Mustang. Many of us have repaired 'em and refurbished 'em, but you're actually rebuilding yours. Kudos for saving it...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 06, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;212883
This whole thing is incredible (this is the first time I'd seen the thread since getting high speed). Now I wish I hadn't junked that Turbo Coupe now - it was in much better shape, but the front frame rails were shot...

I think you may be the first one to do an actual restoration to one of these cars like somebody would do to, say, a '85 Mustang. Many of us have repaired 'em and refurbished 'em, but you're actually rebuilding yours. Kudos for saving it...


I'm glad that you can finally get to see the pics. That would have been brutal over dialup.
I may have been the first to restore one of these too. (I was 19) It was worse than my car
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/my%20old%20cars/img001.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/my%20old%20cars/img002.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 06, 2008, 10:52:53 PM
I also started to restore my moms Vista Cruiser. But she sold it before I finished it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 06, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
I remember you posting the pics of the van....but you were NINETEEN when you did that!!!!??? Wow members of the audience let's have a round of applause here! Sheesh. I'm 19 and I can't even imagine undertaking something like that.
 
Yep this is an in-depth restoration alright!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 06, 2008, 11:13:17 PM
yep, 19
I didn't have a MIG so I got my friend to come by and give me a hand with the panels. (most of my friends worked at body shops) It took 2 of us to hold them up also. I think the one side panel was 9 foot long.
I painted the van and painted my 78 mercury the same year.

Just get in there and start working. Thats how you learn.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 06, 2008, 11:22:38 PM
Quote from: daminc;212908
Just get in there and start working. Thats how you learn.

 
Yes I'll drink to that alright! I would obviously much prefer to have my dad teaching me everything he was going to....but as it worked out I have his cars instead. :(  But that's really what I have done, between getting the '38 on the road (coughf-inbrakescough) and the H.O. conversion in the cougar I've just kinda done stuff arguably on a whim, without too much advance planning. Mom sure hasn't been happy for probably EVERY project I've taken on (how the HELL do I break it to her...there's NO right way, the reaction is never good never never never :D )...but all have turned out okay *knock on wood*. Sure is good because there's no way I could afford to pay someone to do all I've done.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 07, 2008, 07:53:01 AM
Hey, if you ever need help with anything, this is the place to be.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 08, 2008, 08:27:49 PM
Today I got home, and seeing that it was a such a nice day, I figured I could finish the drivers side floor.

I'll skip right to good stuff.
this is where I left off a few weeks ago
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/front%20floor/IMG_3341.jpg)

Heres the finished product
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/front%20floor/IMG_3342.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/front%20floor/IMG_3343.jpg)

Its not as pretty as I hoped, It looks a lot better from underneath.
Next on the list is a little repairing by the rear wheelwells.
I'm also going to open up the floor between the rear frame and treat any rust.
It's starting to look like a floor.
2 more hrs today
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 08, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
Nice!! Did better then me today! I only got half my h pipe fixed and reinstalled!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on April 08, 2008, 08:34:31 PM
you go man...............awesome work you are doing.:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 08, 2008, 08:56:00 PM
Looks BETTER from underneath? Better than that? Wow. I'd love to see it because that looks awesome. Especially considering the sound mat and carpet will be over it, the attention to detail you've given that is remarkable.
 
Unbelievable.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 08, 2008, 09:14:05 PM
Lol

I guess it's better then the first pic
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_2972.jpg)

The problem with this side, was I didn't have anything to work from.
I really didn't know what it was supposed to look like.
the other side will be easier
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 08, 2008, 09:33:03 PM
Right riiiight I gotcha now. Yeah they gotta put all these weird patterns into the pan! Ugh couldnt it just be a flat plane? :hick:
 
So when do you think you'll have it done and ready to go? That would be sick if you could cruise around in the summer and bring it to cruise nites with a bigass photo album showin off all the hard work. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 08, 2008, 09:59:37 PM
Now that the weather is getting warmer and the days are longer, I could work a couple hrs every day or so. I figure now that there's more time to work on it. I should be doing exterior body work on it at the end of june, beginning of july. The motor still needs to be pulled, and the engine compartment needs to be redone.

I'm not going to try to rush it. It takes as long as it takes sometimes
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on April 08, 2008, 10:02:26 PM
That's amazing stuff. Makes me wanna go check it out in person hah.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 08, 2008, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: baxo;213212
That's amazing stuff. Makes me wanna go check it out in person hah.


Let me know, your just right around the corner from me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on April 08, 2008, 10:11:40 PM
hah exaclty, I was right along the border even tonight, Took a nice stroll down by the gorge in Niagara On the Lake with my gf.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 08, 2008, 10:19:20 PM
let me know when your in the area next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 09, 2008, 06:38:40 PM
I decided to cut open the rear frame to see how bad it was inside.
the same amount that was in the front.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3344.jpg)

While I had it open, I coated it with encapsulator
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3345.jpg)

Cut a new piece to cover it up.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3347.jpg)

Welded it on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3348.jpg)

I still have a little more to fix in this area.
4 more hrs today.
43-1/2 total, with yesterdays 2
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 09, 2008, 11:43:25 PM
Hey, Jerry do you ever feel like the (Energizer Bunny) because this project just keeps going going going....and it's also keeping us more anxious to see what the final outcome will look like. Just keep the pics a coming. lol :headbang: :grinno:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 10, 2008, 09:19:11 PM
Todays project,
Finish up the rest of the drivers side floor.


Last of the drivers side patching.
there was a couple small holes around the wheelwell, so I patched the entire thing for reinforcement.
Boy I love those hard drive magnets.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3349.jpg)

I remember taking more pics but there were only 2 on the camera when I uploaded them. (strange)
So here's the finished product.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3350.jpg)

1-1/2 hrs today
I only started 2 fires today. I forgot about the undercoating. lol
Until tomorrow
.
.
.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on April 10, 2008, 09:33:15 PM
I know you probably explained it, but what is that red stuff you're applying on everything after you're finished? What are the benefits of using it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 10, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
you have inspired me, so i went and bought 48 dollars worth of sand paper and fiberglass and got to work
dont have a welder, or any cutting tools so I went for next best
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 10, 2008, 09:41:41 PM
The red stuff is encapsulator, I use it to prime/seal the new metal and seal in any rust on the old metal from the air.
regular primer won't seal out the air, and it could rust again in the older parts of the car.
the first coat I use is red, then I seam seal everything, then I use a black encapsulator for the finish coat to ensure that I cover over everything again.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 10, 2008, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: daboss351;213493
you have inspired me, so i went and bought 48 dollars worth of sand paper and fiberglass and got to work
dont have a welder, or any cutting tools so I went for next best


You go dude!
Don't forget the pics
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 11, 2008, 04:29:43 AM
Quote from: baxo;213212
That's amazing stuff. Makes me wanna go check it out in person hah.


X2 man,,  though maybe I shouldn't might make me change my mind about srapping the '85....:hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on April 11, 2008, 07:54:48 AM
Well RJ your 85 is in no worse condition then this so if he can do it, so can you, and then Niagara region FTW!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 11, 2008, 08:05:50 AM
If you really want to keep it, and you can weld, It's the cheapest but longer way to go. You can also go through the whole car piece by piece and change anything also
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 11, 2008, 05:47:25 PM
Everyone has to be bored with this thread by now. LOL
Well you better pay attention, because there will be a quiz at the end.

The last small piece to repair on the drivers side
yes the car rusted underneath since the last time I worked under there.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3351.jpg)

Here's everything all ground down and ready to treat the rust
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3352.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3353.jpg)

I treated everything with PickelX wiped it down, let it dry, and started to do the nasty
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3354.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3355.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3356.jpg)

Yes I took the rocker off to seal inside.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3357.jpg)

And of course everything will be seam sealed before the next coat.

I took some other pics of my car after cleaning up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3358.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3362.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3363.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3365.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/floor/IMG_3366.jpg)

Here are some before pics of the floor
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3163.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3164.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3162.jpg)

And todays good news is:
I'll have time to work on my car this weekend.
the better news is:
My Monday job cancelled, and I'll have all week to work on my car. including next weekend.

Thats all for today my friends.
Tomorrow's another day
3 hrs today
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on April 11, 2008, 06:51:25 PM
Good job man but OMG i have never seen so much rot on one vehicle.
Dam,i scrapped my 88 for less.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 11, 2008, 07:30:22 PM
When I was young, I would make models that had pieces missing and use extra parts from others.

This is just a larger scale. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 11, 2008, 09:06:52 PM
Yes, Jerry and those kits also came with a guide book that had (MAN'S) most feared words on there too.  "SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED"  :evilgrin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 12, 2008, 07:42:44 AM
It also keeps me off the streets.
And my wife knows where I am
LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 13, 2008, 06:47:46 PM
here's today's little project
I've got the frame connector in position to mark the floor to cut
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3382.jpg)

Here's the frame going through the floor that I just repaired
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3383.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3384.jpg)

Here's a shot of the frame and Chucks connector.
It still needs to go up into the floor a little more
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3386.jpg)

heres another shot
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3387.jpg)

here's a pic of the frame with Chucks connector.
saved me a bunch of time, Thanks Chuck
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3385.jpg)

I only had 2 hrs to work today. I drove with my wife to take another dog to their forever home this morning

I'll finish up this side tomorrow and start working on the jacking rails and cross-braces.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on April 13, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
I just cant believe the passion,patience and skill you have. I never in my life ,could do what you have done here..............:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 13, 2008, 08:35:56 PM
man...  My '85 cougar didnt need half that work, and I scrapped it.  I even replaced a front Pass. frame rail, font rad support, welded up all the swiss cheese in the engine bay, and other areas that needed patches I made up and welded up.  Then one day I just said "screw it, it will never be worth what I am putting in it." and bought my '88 XR-7..  now the '85 is crushed and getting recycled.....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 13, 2008, 09:14:21 PM
Now that makes me want to actually fix my mark, since your underside is about 75% worse then mine, mines pretty bad though....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thundr306 on April 13, 2008, 09:20:25 PM
Slow down, you are making me look bad!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 13, 2008, 09:23:52 PM
Technacally hes making us all look bad
fixing a fox thats worse then many we have junked or parted.
Hell my 88 turbo coupe isnt as bad as that, needs a frame rail which I had, and rear quarters. The rest is solid.... but its been parted and is now a almost bare shell
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 13, 2008, 09:50:14 PM
To be honest, I probably wouldn't be doing this if Mike (FLSTCI71), didn't find me those full rust free quarter panels and fenders.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 13, 2008, 09:53:09 PM
and wait till you see my next project.........................
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 13, 2008, 10:00:43 PM
HAHA oh no......oh jeebus I wonder if I WANT to see it lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 13, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
Jerry, are you going to restore a T-bird for your wife? Some curious minds would like to know. :dunno: ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 13, 2008, 10:47:54 PM
Just to show everyone who has scrapped a car that was in better shape then mine. I also have scrapped cars that were in better condition.
Here's the last one I scrapped.
took these pics the day before it got picked up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1316_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1317_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1318_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1319_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1320_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1321_IMG.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on April 13, 2008, 10:51:18 PM
Wow.  What was wrong with it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 13, 2008, 10:56:27 PM
Its a caddy, warped the block
they don't make replacements for it, and all the motors in the JY are probably the same. or going to be shortly

The motor was in the trunk in those pics
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 14, 2008, 06:50:52 PM
Alright, enough about the one that got away.

After working at my moms all day I came home and did some adjustments to the frame.
I also clamped on the jacking rail and figured out the angles to cut the cross-braces from the frame to the rail
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3388.jpg)

I love those hard drive magnets
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3390.jpg)

the frame is lower then the rail so I have to cut compound miters on all the braces. I test fitted 1 in various places to be sure it fit correctly. now I just have to cut a bunch, tack them in, and pull everything out to weld it. Then try to get it all back in position.
I do notice that my entire car lifts nice and easy on this side now, and nothing is welded yet.
I also have to remember to leave enough room for the E-brake cable, when doing all this. It looks like it's going to be close
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3389.jpg)

I hope to get everything cut and welded together tomorrow (I hope)
not much to talk about today my friends. just a couple pieces of metal.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 14, 2008, 07:15:54 PM
Hey, Jerry it's the little things that count so just keep pluging away everything there looks great. :headbang:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 14, 2008, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: daminc;213857
Just to show everyone who has scrapped a car that was in better shape then mine. I also have scrapped cars that were in better condition.
Here's the last one I scrapped.
took these pics the day before it got picked up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1316_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1317_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1318_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1319_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1320_IMG.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cadillac/113-1321_IMG.jpg)


Ya coulda stuck a Northstar in it:evilgrin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 14, 2008, 07:43:15 PM
I was working 7 days a week 10 hr days.
I got total blue book value for dumping it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 14, 2008, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: daminc;213967
I was working 7 days a week 10 hr days.
I got total blue book value for dumping it.

Well then that's not bad.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 14, 2008, 07:46:53 PM
thats what I thought. almost 7 grand
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 14, 2008, 10:27:53 PM
Wanna build me sub frame connectors? Ill buy you the metal and deliver the car for a week. Hahahahaha
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 15, 2008, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: daboss351;213993
Wanna build me sub frame connectors? Ill buy you the metal and deliver the car for a week. Hahahahaha


LOL.... lets see how mine come out first.


Today's update
got the supports cut and ready to tack
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3391.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3392.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3393.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3394.jpg)

Took it out and ready to be welded
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3395.jpg)

OK, I may be overdoing it a little
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 16, 2008, 12:42:58 PM
well now you have to put the 5.0 in and mod it. Hell I bet those will make that car stiff as hell! Should handle well, so yea, tell me what you bought for material and after cat jam, we can go to your garage and build me some!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 16, 2008, 01:13:12 PM
Is the frame the same on a mark?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 16, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
I wanna say yes, or its a little longer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 17, 2008, 07:01:33 PM
Been a VERY Happy Birthday working on the car, without interruptions.
I welded the SFCs and rails this morning and cleaned them up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3396.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3397.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3398.jpg)

I think it should paint up pretty nice.
I have to weld the seat braces after I fit them again. the notch seems to be off a smidge

Next on the list is the rocker and quarter replacement.
Here's how it ended up so far, before today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3399.jpg)

Here is the cut to start the day
got some rust there. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3400.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3401.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3402.jpg)

Here's the start of separating the the quarter panel for parts.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3403.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3404.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3405.jpg)

These may be from California, but there's still rust hiding in there
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3406.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3413.jpg)

Here's a dry fit of the rear rocker section
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3414.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3415.jpg)

Next, I have to piece in the door jamb and separate the rest of the quarter panel, before I can cut mine off.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 17, 2008, 08:20:48 PM
I was afraid that your rocker repairs would look good but leave the structure compromised. After looking at those subframe connectors it looks like that ain't gonna be an issue :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 17, 2008, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;214490
I was afraid that your rocker repairs would look good but leave the structure compromised. After looking at those subframe connectors it looks like that ain't gonna be an issue :hick:


I did take into consideration the weakening of structural members on the car. originally I wasn't going to use them, but after cutting up the car, I figured it would be the best thing. thats the main reason for the rails. There's a couple more braces that are also going in, that are going to be welded to the floorpan. the seat braces are also going to be welded to the seat bolt frames and floor.
There's a couple more things I'm going to brace on the car as I put it back together. If anyone has any recommendations for support, please let me know.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 18, 2008, 11:47:53 AM
I am VERY impressed by the subframe connectors....  Nice work!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 18, 2008, 12:48:57 PM
Thank you,
I think Its turned into a total restoration project now. not just repairs
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 18, 2008, 01:57:14 PM
Jerry, You can say that again dude only with alot of (pride and sweat) to go with what you've accomplished so far. :welder:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 18, 2008, 02:26:48 PM
Not only a total restoration, more like a resto-mod!
My jams look like that.... That scares me...... Damn, I cant afford to go that far as what your doing.... I guess I NEED subframes now...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on April 18, 2008, 04:15:55 PM
I feel that I should donate you my white 88.  You would appreciate it more.  I'm just slapping it together to flog on for a while and learn body work.  I bought it down here at a police auction with 0 rust. :raspberry Let me know if you need some rust free parts though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 18, 2008, 05:23:01 PM
Here's my test fit after welding yesterday
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3421.jpg)

Heres a pic of it not fitting right
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3422.jpg)

Heres the reason. had to notch for a cross-brace
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3423.jpg)

Take 2!
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3424.jpg)

Thats what I'm talking about. Like a glove
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3425.jpg)

And the inside
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3427.jpg)

here's some reinforcing I did yesterday on the support posts inside the rocker
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3428.jpg)

spent some more time separating the quarter panel.
its getting lighter and easier to move
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3432.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3433.jpg)

As I was moving things around today, I pulled out the new bumper cover for my car. Found my old bosch driving lights I had on my cougar, and what do you know. They fit
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3430.jpg)

Yesterday and today combined:
Another 8 hrs.
Total Hours: 65
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Beau on April 18, 2008, 06:54:02 PM
i know it's not much, but all i can say is wow...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: t3skidoo on April 18, 2008, 07:54:53 PM
Looks like that cat is going to be S-O-L-I-D.

I'd be interested in what the final weight ends up being.

What are your plans for paint?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 18, 2008, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: t3skidoo;214665
Looks like that cat is going to be S-O-L-I-D.

I'd be interested in what the final weight ends up being.

What are your plans for paint?


Color? or product
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: t3skidoo on April 18, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
Both, but more about 'when'.  Are you going to paint as you progress, or is it getting done all at once?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 18, 2008, 09:12:26 PM
I think I'm going Black or a dark charcoal for color.
Probably base/clear. Although a good single stage with wet look hardener has a warmer feel to the paint. mine still shines like its wet.
I'm going to paint the entire car at once. but I'll probably paint all the jambs first while I have the car apart.
I'm going to strip the entire thing also. there's to much paint on the car now to do a repaint .
I'll epoxy prime it first (mainly so it doesn't rust while I'm finishing the work on it), do any filling or dent repair.
Hi-build prime it, then long block it until there's no waves left, before I paint it. then cut the color and buff.
It should have a perfectly smooth mirror finish like my last car did
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on April 18, 2008, 11:34:28 PM
check out the charcoal gray in the 86 cougars. Those are just plain sexy. I like you work. And you have those hard drive magnets everywhere!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 19, 2008, 07:29:13 AM
Quote from: Haystack;214705
check out the charcoal gray in the 86 cougars. Those are just plain sexy. I like you work. And you have those hard drive magnets everywhere!


Thanks,
I'm going to check the stock colors first. But I don't think It's going to be one.

Yes, there's hard drive magnets everywhere. I also have to keep them on the edge of the door, otherwise I have to try to pry them off with a screwdriver when I need one. there's about 12 -15 floating around the car somewhere. I'm sure I'll lose at least 1 in the car before I'm finished. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on April 19, 2008, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: daminc;214738
Thanks,
I'm going to check the stock colors first. But I don't think It's going to be one.


The 06(I think) fusions had a really really nice charcol color. If i could decide on a two tone i would use that with black.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 19, 2008, 01:43:03 PM
I'm thinking metallic charcoal thats almost black
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 19, 2008, 05:51:06 PM
Here's todays fun filled hour

I cut the quarter away to see how much rust was in the wheelwell
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3434.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3435.jpg)

some inside shots
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3436.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3437.jpg)

After finding rust on the outer wells (like I didn't see that coming)
I just cut them off. Its easier to put another one on, then to try to fix it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3438.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3439.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3440.jpg)

I finished separating the new panel and cut it down to a more user friendly size, just keeping it a few inches bigger then the size I'll need.
Here's a dry run with the panel on top of mine. I'll need to remove the bumper and cut away some more to make it fit correctly.
It's hard to explain what will be cut, so i'll have to take some shots as I'm doing that next time
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3441.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3442.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3443.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3444.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3446.jpg)

So that was my hour of fun today.
I hope you had fun checking out the pics.
Anything is better then fixing floors.
If anybody needs these parts to repair a damaged back end, let me know. I'll be putting them in storage for someone that needs them
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3445.jpg)

Thats all my friends, until tomorrow
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on April 20, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
You are doing an absolute amazing job! I try to check this thread at least once a day to see how it's coming along. When this car is finished, I really want to see it in person one day. :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on April 20, 2008, 03:29:22 PM
http://imageserver.carsoup.com/3FAHP/3FAHP071X7R174185-3.jpg?xt=51660

THis is the color i was talking about. It looks amazing in the sun.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 20, 2008, 04:10:09 PM
Quote from: DerikWayne;214898
You are doing an absolute amazing job! I try to check this thread at least once a day to see how it's coming along. When this car is finished, I really want to see it in person one day. :)

Thanks, I'll let everyone see it when its finished. Probably Catjam Next year.

cougar86_89 ......I think that is the color that I've seen and liked. I didn't know what car I saw it on though, thanks
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 20, 2008, 04:29:53 PM
Todays 2 hour project consisted of removing the rear lights and bumper cover.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3448.jpg)

Then I moved on to, cutting down the new panel for my car
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3449.jpg)

Which was followed by trimming the panel flanges off my car for a better test run.
There was a lot of measuring and remeasuring before I cut any of the panels this afternoon
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3450.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3451.jpg)

Heres another test of the panel on the car.
got some of the rocker pieces screwed on for the moment.
the quarter needs to raise up in the back about an inch.
I still need to cut some more to fit it. but its looking good and tight
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3452.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3453.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3454.jpg)

This is the part that needs to be cut out to raise the panel up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3455.jpg)

Here's a couple shots from inside the car
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3456.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3457.jpg)

Thats todays job
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 20, 2008, 04:45:22 PM
Jerry if you use that black paint scheme plus the red interior it'll be the same color combo as ours too. :cool: :headbang:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on April 20, 2008, 04:58:14 PM
Thats what I should have done (paste a new side on the car).  Instead I spent uncountable hours bumping, sanding, filling, and sanding my rear quarter. 

Oh, well, lesson learned.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 20, 2008, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: danzajax;214923
Thats what I should have done (paste a new side on the car).  Instead I spent uncountable hours bumping, sanding, filling, and sanding my rear quarter. 

Oh, well, lesson learned.


Thats also a lesson I've learned years ago. If it wasn't for my friend Mike and his quick thinking, I would have had to rebuild both quarters from scratch. Apparently, perfect rust-free full quarters (with wheel wells) are hard to come by. Unless they're still driving around on the back of a rust-free car.
******************************************************************************************

For this part of the job, I'd like to once again thank Mike (FLSTCI71),
for all his help in getting me the parts needed to rebuild my car

*******************************************************************************************
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 21, 2008, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;214904
http://imageserver.carsoup.com/3FAHP/3FAHP071X7R174185-3.jpg?xt=51660

THis is the color i was talking about. It looks amazing in the sun.


I saw one today. Thats the color I'm thinking about using, with my red interior.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/2006fordfusion20027949-E.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/2006fordfusion20029115-E.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/2207711_10_full.jpg)

The color is Charcoal Beige. Looks different colors in different light. From almost silver gray to black at night.

or just black. hmmm
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/1ZVHT80NX85152917-1.jpg)

I think I like the fusion color better
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 25, 2008, 06:49:15 PM
It's been a few days since I worked on my car, and had 2 hrs to do some prep work for the big event.

I cut out the trunk well and fitted the panel to be marked and cut.
Got the panel exactly where I needed it and used tape to mark the edge to cut.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3458.jpg)

here's a couple outer pics of the old and new well
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3459.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3460.jpg)

checked to make sure everything still lined up, before removing the panel
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3461.jpg)

here's the back end. needs a little fixin before the panel goes on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3462.jpg)

Here's the part I'm going to repair before the panel goes on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3465.jpg)

Everything marked and ready to cut
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3469.jpg)


Now, not a lot really freaks me out in life. But knowing that I only have pretty much 1 shot at doing this, kinda does.
I have done this many times before, but it's pretty impossible to get these pretty cheap, if at all

so here's the cut.
Not a lot left.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3470.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3471.jpg)

So this is where I'm at until tomorrow.
I got a little jamb rebuilding and small back end repair to do.
I'll tack the backing strips on tomorrow also so I can line up the rocker and jamb while I work on them.

Until Saturday my friends.
OK 1 more.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3473.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 25, 2008, 06:52:59 PM
Does anyone know if this thread can be saved pics and all?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 25, 2008, 08:09:31 PM
I think if you printed it to a PDF file it would save, but you'd have to do it page by page. Foxit makes a good free PDF reader/writer (MUCH less bloated than Adobe Acrobat)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on April 25, 2008, 08:42:39 PM
Amazing work.I wish I had a welder.......and knew how to use it.Once our daughter gets out of the house and into college next year (or later this year actually),I may just get one and take a few classes.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 26, 2008, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: daminc;214965
Thats also a lesson I've learned years ago. If it wasn't for my friend Mike and his quick thinking, I would have had to rebuild both quarters from scratch. Apparently, perfect rust-free full quarters (with wheel wells) are hard to come by. Unless they're still driving around on the back of a rust-free car.
Quote


Hey leave my quarters alone (runs outside to check the garage).



Wow you're doing a great job. Are you going to clean up the rear frame rails while you have the quarter off?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 26, 2008, 12:12:08 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;215785
Quote from: daminc;214965
Thats also a lesson I've learned years ago. If it wasn't for my friend Mike and his quick thinking, I would have had to rebuild both quarters from scratch. Apparently, perfect rust-free full quarters (with wheel wells) are hard to come by. Unless they're still driving around on the back of a rust-free car.
Quote


Hey leave my quarters alone (runs outside to check the garage).



Wow you're doing a great job. Are you going to clean up the rear frame rails while you have the quarter off?


I'm going to clean up what I can get to, and coat what I can reach while I'm there.
I'm going to strip the undercoating off too (yuk) (may just torch and scrape it)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 26, 2008, 07:53:25 AM
Holy crap I gotta stop reading this damn thread....



You are seriously making me regret scrapping my '85.... :(


Nice work on your car man...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 26, 2008, 08:27:51 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;215801
Holy crap I gotta stop reading this damn thread....



You are seriously making me regret scrapping my '85.... :(


Nice work on your car man...



Thanks,
In a few weeks I should be about 1/2 way done with the rebuild.

Like I said before, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't stumble across all the parts that I needed in one convenient location.
It would have been stripped, scrapped and put into another car, as much as I would have hated to do.

I also did price how much it would cost to ship a fender from Vinnie in Oklahoma to NY.
1 fender--$120
I couldn't imagine how much it would cost for the full quarter.
I would guess $350 plus the price of the panel. ( I got 2)

On a side note, I was talking to my neighbor and found out, he has a 2-1/2" pipe bender. I'm thinking I could have some fun with that. And he said, he could repair any frame problem that I came across. He's done it professionally since the 50s. (The things you find out about someone after 10 years) LOL
Also my father-in-law is getting gung-ho about the motor part of the project. He's built drag cars since the 60s, and hasn't had a project in quite a few years. This should start to get interesting as my car starts becoming whole again.

Well, off to work on the cougar. I'll post some more progress pics at dinner time like always.

Jerry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 26, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
Just a question but what are you going to do about the side molding between the wheels? Do you have any of it in good shape or are you going to try to restore the old stuff?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 26, 2008, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;215816
Just a question but what are you going to do about the side molding between the wheels? Do you have any of it in good shape or are you going to try to restore the old stuff?


Parts car;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: *MAYHEM* on April 26, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
I'm glad you're documenting all of this, 'cause from what I see no one will believe what you started with when it's done. That's some fantastic work you've done.
 
BTW: We need a "standing ovation" smilie.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 26, 2008, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: *MAYHEM*;215849
I'm glad you're documenting all of this, 'cause from what I see no one will believe what you started with when it's done. That's some fantastic work you've done.
 
BTW: We need a "standing ovation" smilie.


Thank you sir. These are for you my good man. Sorry, no dip
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/party%20snacks/lays-potato-chips-regular.jpg)

And back to the last question.
All my side moulding is in great shape except for the pass. side door.
It got a little wavy when I took it off. I'll replace it with the one from the bird, and grab the rest for extras.

I started out planning to work on the car all day, but you know how that goes. I did get all the outside lights changed over to the new ones today, and talked with my father-in-law about progress and future plans and upgrades for it.

So after all that, I got to work on my car.
I started with putting it together. for another test fit.
I also zip screwed the new door jamb parts together to be tack welded.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3476.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3477.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3478.jpg)

I just wanted to show how everything is lining up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3479.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3480.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3481.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3482.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3483.jpg)

And then after the last check, and parts screwed together, it was time to take it apart and start welding the jamb.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3484.jpg)

and apparently other parts that were never welded.
this post holds the front seat belt. glad I never had to trust my life with it. It would have peeled back like a can of spam.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3485.jpg)

this is where I left off today after 2 more hrs of work.
I'm welding everything that I find in here too
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3486.jpg)

Until tomorrow.
Now lets eat those chips :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on April 26, 2008, 10:59:15 PM
Beautiful fit.  Wish I could help.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 26, 2008, 11:05:39 PM
my mark needs that, BAD but O well
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 26, 2008, 11:15:20 PM
Holy shit that's so freakin' cool!!!!! It just all fits togther like a GLOVE. That's so cool-lookin. Awesome.
 
Are those magnets meant for panels like this? Or are they from hard drives they look just like hard drive magnets, which, would make great magnets for this, those suckers are BRUTAL!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 26, 2008, 11:20:18 PM
LOL
I love my hard drive magnets, I had a bunch of used drives left over from my store. I was going to toss them, so I decided to yank all the magnets first. Glad I did now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 27, 2008, 09:41:05 AM
Yeah I kinda figured you either built your own PC and were into that as a hobby too kinda or were in the business somehow. Cool. Can't argue with it, works great obviously!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 27, 2008, 05:52:05 PM
Not a lot to take pictures of today.
Just a lot of undercoating to get off.
I did find some rust under the undercoating, but nothing to really worry about.

Here it is all bare, and a little burnt, (I used a torch)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3491.jpg)

I blasted it and gave it a coat of encapsulator, just like everything else.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3492.jpg)

Not a lot of change, but equally important.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on April 27, 2008, 05:53:43 PM
You can buy my mark for your next project as im prob never gonna be able to drive the damn thing....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 27, 2008, 10:02:29 PM
Don't Talk like that. Never give in without a fight.
A well thought out and cool, calm appearance, letting them know you knew it was a mistake before it even happened. can go a long way sometimes. Sometimes you just never know til you try.

Jerry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: EricCoolCats on May 01, 2008, 12:58:41 PM
Me make thread 'sticky' now...it's important enough.

WOW, that's a lot of work...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 01, 2008, 05:38:49 PM
Hey, this is easy to find now.
I hope someone learns a little something out of all this, besides the importance of buying a car with a whole floor. LOL


I decided to weld the quarter on this weekend. So in order to do that, I decided to seal the seams I couldn't get to after the panel goes on.
This is what I'll be using on the whole car, mainly because it doesn't harden and crack. Real good stuff.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3501.jpg)

This was my main reason for opening the tube.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3500.jpg)

and since it was open, I also decided to seal everything I could with the open tube.
So here's a lesson in duplicating factory seams.
First, You need a seam. Here's a nice one to show.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3493.jpg)

Next tape it off on both sides of the seam, and apply sealer
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3494.jpg)

Brush it in filling all the voids and leaving lines in it from side to side.
should look like this when done.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3495.jpg)

Then pull the tape off before it starts to set.
You now have a factory duplicated seam.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3497.jpg)

If your into show car restoration, this will look factory after it gets painted.

Now the bulk of the seams, which if you remember, were on the floor and inner rocker.
I wasn't real fancy with the welding and grinding for this reason.
after the floor gets sealed. Another coat of encapsulator gets put on. And then, if I decide to paint, the finish paint will go on.
And then on top of that the sound and heat mat.
Since I'm not painting it white again. black or a dark gray color will look good with the color I've chosen to paint the car. And I also don't need to finish paint the inside, because the next color of encapsulator is black.
All the seams that were welded got sealed, just in case of a pinhole anywhere. we don't want it to rust after all that work.
I brushed it on to smooth it out a little
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3502.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3503.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3504.jpg)

Here's a view I hope I never see again
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3506.jpg)

And a little sealer over the patch in the front
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3498.jpg)

Now, i'll just let that set and finish welding my door jamb, and get ready for the panel.

A little closer every day.
30 min today, but sealed forever.
I know, that sounded stupid. but its my post. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on May 01, 2008, 09:58:42 PM
Hey,Jerry your Stoneage Bedrock Project has become a New Age Evolution Project with alot of sweat & growing pains to go with it also. Way to go dude :headbang: :cool:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 01, 2008, 10:33:31 PM
What's with the frame hole???????
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 01, 2008, 10:37:20 PM
Frame hole? the one in the floor?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 01, 2008, 11:34:27 PM
Nahh I think he means up front in your subframe in that last picture.
 
 
STICKY!!!! Woohooo now youre in the cool-peopls's club. All ya need now is a Members Only jacket!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 01, 2008, 11:41:55 PM
Oh, behind the front tower
I have to pull the motor for that one, its coming
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 02, 2008, 08:33:02 AM
What is the look you'll be going for when it's finished?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 02, 2008, 08:44:29 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;216724
What is the look you'll be going for when it's finished?


LOL.....Not rusted.........LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2008, 11:15:49 AM
Wow that looks great. Do you have to replace the passenger side quarter as well?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 02, 2008, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;216752
Wow that looks great. Do you have to replace the passenger side quarter as well?


Yes, but I think less of it on that side. Less floor to repair, and I think the rocker is in good shape. But I probably may cut it open and replace it. It feels a little thin. It's rusting from the inside, I'm sure of it.
I'll probably be close to starting the other side next week end.
I'll do all the bodywork after the entire car gets put back together.

And as I said in one of the last couple posts, the motor will be coming out soon to work on the entire front end, as soon as it comes off the ramps. I'll need to take the front end apart . so off the ramps and on to the stands. But thats probably about a month away.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 02, 2008, 05:20:38 PM
I did a little 2nd coating this morning
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3515.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3516.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3517.jpg)

I'll finish this after I weld the frame in
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3518.jpg)

This afternoon I did a little prep work for the panel install.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3520.jpg)

Here's the jamb I pieced in
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3522.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3521.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3519.jpg)

After I ground the paint off I put Pickelx on to keep it from flash rusting over night.
I would have taken more pics while I was working, but my battery was low.
another 2-1/2 hrs. today.
Tomorrow I'l finish the prep work and refill my gas bottle.
drill a bunch of holes around the wheelwell for welding and do one last test fit before welding.
tomorrows post should be a good one, if everything goes as planned
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 03, 2008, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;216707

STICKY!!!! Woohooo now youre in the cool-peopls's club. All ya need now is a Members Only jacket!


:bowdown: You have now achived the Sticky Status.:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 03, 2008, 06:32:10 PM
hmmmm...Sticky status
I guess that means I have to actually do a good job with the finish product. Oh the pressure.
LOL... I thought I would work my way up to tacky first. (Drums.....tada dum)


Here's what you been waiting for.......................

I cut down some backing strips from the replacement quarter, so the curve of the panel matched the strips.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3523.jpg)

Ground the paint off
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3524.jpg)

And put them on the car for a dry fit.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3525.jpg)

Then used my hole punch to put holes every 1-1/2"
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3526.jpg)

Of course did a test run for welding and penetration
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3527.jpg)

Adjusted the settings some more
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3528.jpg)

And welded the backing strips on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3529.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3530.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3531.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3532.jpg)

Then I had to do a little cleaning up on the new panel
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3533.jpg)

That is a lot of undercoating, wish my car had that much to start with.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3534.jpg)

Got the panel on the car again
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3535.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3536.jpg)

Here's an inside view of the backing strips.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3537.jpg)

And I started welding the panel on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3538.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3539.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3540.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3541.jpg)

Tomorrow I'll finish welding the panel, and move onto finishing the rocker panel and SFCs.

See you tomorrow my friends.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on May 03, 2008, 06:49:02 PM
nice work buddy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 03, 2008, 07:09:01 PM
Thanks, no warping at all. There was a nice cool breeze blowing across the back of my car
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on May 03, 2008, 07:11:35 PM
I just cant say it enough,you amaze me.this is the coolest thread of all time.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 03, 2008, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: daminc;217049
LOL... I thought I would work my way up to tacky first. (Drums.....tada dum)

 
HAHAHAHAAH :laughing: YES YES I almost died when I read that. Epic Win.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: greg w on May 04, 2008, 07:08:58 AM
Wow, what a thread. You sir, are my hero!!:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 04, 2008, 01:24:55 PM
Looks damn good man!!
I think my next tool is gonna be a welder. I need one!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 04, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
save up and get a MIG with no presets. I find I'm always setting it in between the numbers.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 04, 2008, 05:31:24 PM
It's on for good now
the last of the welding
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3543.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3544.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 04, 2008, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: daminc;217144
save up and get a MIG with no presets. I find I'm always setting it in between the numbers.


same here
I do TONS of mig welding at school, and its always in the middle. Im getting damn good at it too, I just make thick beads
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 04, 2008, 05:42:12 PM
Here it is all ground down
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3546.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3547.jpg)

Tried to get the light to shine down the panel
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3548.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3549.jpg)

I coated it with pickelx to keep it from rusting until I do all the body work at one time.
Next to finish the rocker and frame
About 6 hrs between yesterday and today.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 04, 2008, 05:44:33 PM
looks damn good!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 05, 2008, 09:42:42 AM
Looking great :D


You know if you really like doing this come to Chicago. I'm pretty sure I could find you an 88 XR-7 that's rusted just as bad, if not worse, than your car was for $200 :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 05, 2008, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;217278
Looking great :D


You know if you really like doing this come to Chicago. I'm pretty sure I could find you an 88 XR-7 that's rusted just as bad, if not worse, than your car was for $200 :hick:


LOL.... NY has just as many, the 87 bird sitting in my driveway is about as bad. the back window leaked and the whole floor is rotted out,  Makes mine look good. not to mention the trunk wells were filling up with water. I had to drill holes in them to drain the water.

If the cars were worth something, I would make some money off rebuilding them, mabe in another 20 years. But I would be to old to care then (my knees hurt now). I'll have to hand that job down to someone younger on the board. LOL.... You want it?

I'm looking for another project after this one. I already have one in mind if its still available when the time comes. Might be that 70 cougar, that cougar1car is selling. I'll have to see, although my wife wants a 67-68 cougar
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on May 05, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
daminc, this is truely remarkable... thank-you for giving me hope for my Cougar X.
 
I must learn to weld :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 05, 2008, 01:26:14 PM
hope is the easy part, finding the rust-free panels are the hard part.

Welding is easy
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: *MAYHEM* on May 05, 2008, 09:00:40 PM
When you finish that, I have a real challenge for you:
 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Rusty_auto.jpg/800px-Rusty_auto.jpg) (http://"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Rusty_auto.jpg/800px-Rusty_auto.jpg")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 05, 2008, 09:12:53 PM
Now,what kind of car was that??????????????????
Looks like it was sitting in what once was a river??????
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 05, 2008, 09:14:27 PM
LOL.. Well it looks like there's no rot, and all the pieces are there.
Dude, I can fix it. My dad's got an awesome set of tools, he's a TV repairman.

You bring it over, and I'll see what I can do. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 05, 2008, 09:38:28 PM
I think that *was* a 1947-ish Buick. Definitely GM whatever it is.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ipsd on May 05, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: daminc;217384
LOL.. Well it looks like there's no rot, and all the pieces are there.
Dude, I can fix it. My dad's got an awesome set of tools, he's a TV repairman.

You bring it over, and I'll see what I can do. LOL


Sure thing Spicoli.

I wanna see that one. Your work looks great.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 05, 2008, 10:40:29 PM
It's official, My wife and I will be going to Catjam. Fri-Sun morning. Made our reservations a few day ago. The bad news is, I will not be at the picnic until afternoon because we are also going to the dog rescue picnic 40 min. away in the morning. Hopefully I'll get to meet everyone at some point.
I'll be easy to find. I'll be the one without a cougar. lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: *MAYHEM* on May 05, 2008, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: daminc;217384
LOL.. Well it looks like there's no rot, and all the pieces are there.
Dude, I can fix it. My dad's got an awesome set of tools, he's a TV repairman.
 
You bring it over, and I'll see what I can do. LOL

Thank you Mr Spiccoli. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: SR71TC on May 05, 2008, 11:30:38 PM
Quote
Dude, I can fix it. My dad's got an awesome set of tools, he's a TV repairman.


Hahaha...Love that movie.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 08, 2008, 11:00:03 PM
So where did I leave off....
Frame rails and floor.
I had to do some seam sealing under the car before I could install the frame. I also did some encapsulating and sealing before the frame too. otherwise I would never be able to get to some of these places in between the two.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3556.jpg)

There's no way to get a good pic of the underneath of this car, so I used a mirror I had kicking around. some are not the greatest of pics.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3557.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3558.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3559.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3560.jpg)

And here's the second coat
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3561.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3562.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3563.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3565.jpg)

so there we have it. everything is ready to go back in.
I'll test fit it again tomorrow and put one more coat under the car just in case. Sat. I should be ready to weld everything together.
I also have the rocker ready to get welded after the frame gets welded to the rocker lip.
Oh yea, I need to do a little last minute seam sealing at the back end of the rocker.
I also see a lot of paint and undercoating flaking off the rest of the back end of the car past the floor. which is a good thing, Less heavy rest to deal with. looks more like surface rust then damaging rust, I'll try to get a pic of what I mean but thats going to be tough that close to it. but I'll try.
until tomorrow.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 08, 2008, 11:33:21 PM
what an improvement!!! thats gonna be something your gonna be able to be proud of for a long time!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 09, 2008, 08:28:18 AM
It's actually starting to feel like I'm working on a car now, not some rusted can with paint on the edges.
Its also a lot of work, but I figured that if I got another car, I would have stripped it and done most of the same work on it anyway, minus the metal replacing of course.
And it does feel good to step back and see the progress I've made since the end of December.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on May 09, 2008, 10:53:07 AM
Jerry, You've taken baby steps but the big picture is starting to look clearer...and somewhere down the line you will be a proud (PaPa) I mean Cougar owner again I'll bet. Way To Go Daminc !! :headbang: :cool:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 10, 2008, 11:26:35 PM
So I've been having computer problems since Wed. when my powerbook cooked another logic board. Not sure if I'm going to get it repaired or get a new one. I at least have my studio computer to use. I don't like being on the net with it, but I have no choice at the moment.

Things are still happening, even though I haven't been on much, because this computer is on a different floor, and its tough to be with my wife and on the computer at the same time. But enough about the computers.
I was sealing and coating the last couple days to prepare for the frame/rails. Its always in Gods hands when you have to let something dry, to move on to the next coat. so I ended up losing some time doing just that. remember, watched seam sealer won't cure.
Here's my progress of the floor and frame/rails.
this needs to be seam sealed and coated. and this side is officially done!!!!!
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3566.jpg)

Here's the frame tacked in place and ready to weld.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3567.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3568.jpg)

I found out that I can't lay on my bad shoulder and weld.
Thats ok, I'll hit it with a grinder and it will get covered with the rocker, which will again be plug welded every 1" to the rail.
You can also see that I step flanged the existing rocker instead of putting a backer piece on. the reason was, that I didn't have enough room to put it in because it's so close to the bend.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3573.jpg)

and speaking of rocker
Here it is ready to go on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3572.jpg)

Until the next time,  Th Th Th That's all folks.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 10, 2008, 11:49:34 PM
Looks freaking sweet!! You have inspired me to build something for my car. Dont have enough stock for SFC's, but I have enough thick square tubing to use to build a strut tower brace. Got an oxy torch at school to bend it, and a mig there so I can prob fab it up! I'm also getting a new set of rear control arms to put poly bushings in, and brace and box.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Bob on May 11, 2008, 01:06:36 AM
WOW! great work! I read all 24 pages tonight. I need more! whats next?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2008, 08:15:55 AM
Quote from: Bob;218328
WOW! great work! I read all 24 pages tonight. I need more! whats next?


I didn't realize there were 24 pages. You must have been up for a while. LOL

I have a small rust spot on the trunk edge on that side, and then its on to the other side. but first I have to finish the rocker and seam seal the rest of the side.
I should be done with it by next weekend.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on May 12, 2008, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: daminc;218026
It's actually starting to feel like I'm working on a car now, not some rusted can with paint on the edges....



I can actually say I can relate to that feeling, lol. I had a Bronco that make me feel that way... and like most people, I gave up on it. Kinda makes me feel bad after seeing what you're doing to this car.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 12, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
In case anyone is interested in the history part of the project.
I found the bill of sale for the cougar. I paid $8,370.00 for it on October 12, 1989 and was paid off in November 4. 1992

Yep, I had it for a looooooooooong time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 16, 2008, 05:25:42 PM
So keeping with the weekly update of the project, I got a couple pics of a little something I have done in between other things.

Here is the inside finished and seam sealed. just needs a little paint.
That is the frame going through the floor, in case you just joined us.
The black that I'm using has a great satin finish.
That's what the underside of the car looks like now.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3579.jpg)

Here is the outer rocker, tacked and ready to be welded
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3580.jpg)

I'll have more this weekend guys, don't you worry.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 16, 2008, 08:26:28 PM
now whats the rust killer you use?
I said screw it, and started grinding out all the rest of the rust to stop it now. Now I need something to get inside the panels to stop the rust.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: t3skidoo on May 16, 2008, 10:16:21 PM
Did you ever weigh those subframes you constructed.  Any idea how much they weigh?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 16, 2008, 11:33:21 PM
Mason, there are two thing that I use.
Pickelx will convert rust and treat metal to keep it from rusting, and
Zero-Rust is the cheapest priced encapsulator on the market. I think I got 2 quarts for about $25 shipped. 1 quart wil do almost 2 coats on the entire underside of a car. I use a small 3" paint roller for the floors and frames. it leaves a nice final finish, and is UV resistant and solvent resistant, almost like an epoxy paint.
The red stuff I was using is Eastwood's encapsulator. Its about the same but costs more.
POR 15 is a very expensive product that requires an additive and I guess stinks worse then a rotting skunk under your house.

You can use an undercoating gun, with a long extention wand on it to spray the Zero-rust inside rockers, frames, and panels.
I've got a link to that if you need it.
You just have to thin it down a bit to spray it in a gun

-----------------------------------------------------------------
You know I never did weigh them. I thought about it and never did it.
I still need to make the other side, so somebody please remind me before I put it in.
If I had to guess, I would say 40 lbs or so per side.
I'll check to see if the weight was on the invoice for material
I used 5' 2x2 1/8'' tubing. I think it was (11ga.?)
and 10' 1x1 1/8'' tubing per side
I'm also thinking about front tower braces and some rear bracing.
I'm also thinking about a roll cage. I can get my hands on a 2-1/2 bender if I need.
I've got this fantasy of a dual turbo one day.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 17, 2008, 05:04:36 PM
I got the bulk of this side done today after doing a little re-adjustment to the rocker. Seems there was a hump in the center of it when I tacked it on last. I took it off partially and reinstalled it straight this time.

my new rustfree rocker. :D
the door needs to be raised in the back.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3582.jpg)

I'll put a nice factory looking strip of seam sealer along the rocker and side rail. It'll look like it came off the line like that
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3583.jpg)

I have to get my dremel out and grind down the hard to reach places and corners.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3584.jpg)

Here you go, one solid side of the car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3585.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3586.jpg)

Tomorrow, I should be able to finish the little odds & ends stuff and seal the rest of the joints on this side.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on May 17, 2008, 05:24:30 PM
I would love to see this car when it is finished.............CJ2009?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 17, 2008, 11:34:57 PM
thanks!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on May 18, 2008, 01:14:01 PM
Truely incredible daminc...!!!
 
I think I should take a welding course this summer or something.... you've definitly inspired at least a few of us!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 18, 2008, 01:21:02 PM
I wonder if yours will be done for catjam, and if mine will be done...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 18, 2008, 06:06:37 PM
Mine may be done for Catjam 09.
after I rebuild the car. I still need to rebuild the motor.
Need another rear end. and I'll probably do the 5 lug swap.
I have been accumulating parts for the full console swap, full digital cluster, full lighting package, and possibly a roll bar in the works.
Then the body work needs to be done and paint. and finally the car needs to be put back together. did I mention the 5.0 upgrade.
I'm sure there will be something else going in the car. but thats kind of a rough sketch of everything

I guess I have a bit of work ahead of me.
most of the mechanical stuff I'll have a hand with. should speed things up a bit.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on May 18, 2008, 06:29:36 PM
Hey, Jerry have you started a (scratch/check) off list in the Garage Yet? :popcorn:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 18, 2008, 06:33:41 PM
This is the last of the drivers side rebuild.
I finished up the welding and put the last piece on the rocker panel.
Put a coat of Zero rust on everything and will finish the rest of the seam sealing and 2nd coat during the week.

I had to do a little aligning to finish the rocker bottom and weld it to the quarter panel
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3587.jpg)

Here's the last piece of the side being bent
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3588.jpg)

I'm going to miss those magnets one day
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3589.jpg)

I did some, "just in case" welding.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3590.jpg)

Did a quick patch in the back
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3591.jpg)

Started to coat a few things.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3592.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3593.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3594.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3595.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3596.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3597.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3598.jpg)

I'll put Pickelx on all the bare metal to keep it from rusting.
seal and coat everything again then on to the other side of the car.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 19, 2008, 07:42:33 AM
Yesterday, I've been part of the group here for one year. In that time, I've learned more than I could have imagined about our cars. I've met a lot of good friends also, in that time.
So I just wanted to say, thanks for all the help to get my car this far. I couldn't have done it without the support of everyone, and of course the parts that everyone has helped to get for me.
Thanks,
Jerry

PS..... The project has evolved from the flintstone project as of now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 20, 2008, 07:11:33 PM
Today I seam sealed the rest of the drivers side.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3613.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3615.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3616.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3618.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3619.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/seam%20sealer/IMG_3620.jpg)

I'll paint it again with encapsulator, so I can try to get the car turned around for this weekend.
I used 5 tubes of seam sealer on this side of the car so far.
I worked about 8 hrs last weekend and today to get things finished up.
This coming long weekend.
SIDE 2 coming up
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: *MAYHEM* on May 20, 2008, 08:09:02 PM
When you get it road worthy, I know the perfect vanity plate for it:
 
PRIDE
 
It is rare these days to see someone who takes this kind of pride in their work and it is damn good to see. Most would have scrapped it as too far gone. I'm glad you didn't. This will be a project you can be proud of. "See this car? This is what it looked like when I started. Yeah, I did that."
 
I can't wait til you can bring it to Catjam and really show it off.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on May 20, 2008, 08:15:20 PM
A bird that rises from the ashes is called a phoenix. What would you call a cat that rises from a pile of rust?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 21, 2008, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;219947
A bird that rises from the ashes is called a phoenix. What would you call a cat that rises from a pile of rust?


I've been searching for the right name for a while now.
It's not Flintstone like anymore. (although I was talking to someone recently who may have the next flinstone project.)
It has certainly evolved from the "rust with wheels under it" look.
I researched cougars again last night, and found a "Cougar Spirit" from Native American folklore. Doesn't really have anything to do with this situation, but it was good reading if anyone was interested.

A new name will come when I least expect it. It always does.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 21, 2008, 07:10:37 PM
This side is officially done and ready for bodywork.
[SIZE="7"]NEXT!!![/SIZE]


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3621.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 22, 2008, 12:01:16 PM
AMAZING! that is the only word for that picture. hats off to you
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 22, 2008, 01:44:15 PM
good work man!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on May 22, 2008, 04:58:59 PM
At the risk of sounding [FONT='Times New Roman']repetitious.... [/FONT] WOW!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 24, 2008, 06:43:12 PM
So, obviously I had to put the seat in to turn the car around. I just couldn't see out the window without it. and a drywall bucket seemed like I was asking for an accident. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3624.jpg)

A couple shots of getting it down
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3625.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3626.jpg)

Here's my jacking rail test
[COLOR="DarkRed"][SIZE="5"]PASSED[/SIZE][/COLOR]
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3627.jpg)

So I have to charge the battery. I also have to rig a little something, because I don't have a battery for the car anymore.
so far I have full power, but no power going to the starter when I turn the key. I'll have to do a little wire checking tomorrow.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3623.jpg)

I'll let everyone know how the car starting problem goes.
Until tomorrow.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 24, 2008, 06:51:03 PM
Oh, by the way.
I weighed the tubing that I'm using for the other side of the car
1 10' 1x1
1 5' 2x2

32 pounds per side it comes to
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 24, 2008, 07:07:11 PM
Unbelieveable. That's just unreal seeing the whole side of the car solid clean metal. Awesome.:roxor:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on May 24, 2008, 08:51:42 PM
looking good man!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 25, 2008, 09:34:27 PM
Didn't get it started today.
Only had a couple of minutes to check the wiring.
It's probably the solenoid. I don't have power to the starter.
got power to the coil. got power to the entire car. but still no turn over or even a click. Looks like I'll have some time to look at it tomorrow.
Title: Starting Problem Update
Post by: daminc on May 26, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Ok, I found the starting problem

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3629.jpg)

This needs to be connected in order for the car to start.
It disconnects the neutral/park start switch.

I need to charge the battery again and get a battery cable.
Then we should be seeing some outdoor pics before next weekend.

BTW. I noticed that I could see the connector hanging in the 2nd picture of the beginning of this thread on page 1. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 31, 2008, 12:44:59 PM
I got my car started this morning. The battery I was using, didn't have enough kick to start the car. I pulled the battery out of the bird, turned the key, and it started right up, like I just drove it the day before.
Here are some outside pics.
I know all of you are probably thinking that it has never run before, or has never left the garage in 10 years.
so here it is, all proud in the sun.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3649.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3650.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3651.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3652.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3653.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3654.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3655.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3656.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3657.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3659.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3663.jpg)

And then it was time to put my little car away until another time
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3664.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3665.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Outside/IMG_3666.jpg)

Time to start side 2.......................
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on May 31, 2008, 01:56:18 PM
good work!
and I finally got a welder.
a cheapo fluxcore mig, but it was free
now if I have to, I can do sheetmetal repairs instead of fiberglass!!
If I only had a garage... My little shed is to small for major work, adn is already packed with a 302, lawn mower, parts of my interior, tools, and a partly striped motorcycle haha.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on May 31, 2008, 01:58:27 PM
looking good Daminc !!!!

I hope you dont get burned out on this project,I would really like to see this one completed.you have done a tremendous amount of work on that car................thumbs up.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 31, 2008, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: Chooglin;221439
looking good Daminc !!!!

I hope you dont get burned out on this project,I would really like to see this one completed.you have done a tremendous amount of work on that car................thumbs up.


Thanks,
I'm trying for CatJam 09.
Not to worry, I've never not finished a project in my life.
This side of the car needs a lot less work, and I'm not rebuilding the door bottoms. I've got another pair in the works, along with some HO motor parts and some interior upgrades. Things are gonna fly after this side gets rebuilt.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on June 02, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
All this time I completely forgot about the "other" side, lol. I would never be able to keep my focus on one project for as long as you have. My hats off to you man.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 02, 2008, 07:31:31 PM
Quote from: DerikWayne;221658
All this time I completely forgot about the "other" side, lol. I would never be able to keep my focus on one project for as long as you have. My hats off to you man.


LOL...
Yes, the other side.
And then there's the front end after the motor comes out, and the back end.

So, 1/4 done rebuilding. mabe a little more, the sides are longer then the front and back.
Don't forget the bodywork after all that. LOL

At least my wife knows where I am, If I'm not in the house

And now I have to repair her car after a billion year old lady hit the back of her car
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Monte%20damage/IMG_3577.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Monte%20damage/IMG_3578.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on June 02, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
Hey, Jerry at least there isn't any rust to repair on it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 02, 2008, 08:28:40 PM
Quote from: mercury-man;221686
Hey, Jerry at least there isn't any rust to repair on it.


give it a year, it is a chevy...:shakeass:

LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 02, 2008, 08:38:50 PM
It's an 03 and there's already rust around the windows.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on June 02, 2008, 08:59:25 PM
yep
chebby products..... I swear there WAS a 03 chevy van around here
body was in worse shape then your cougar
floors and frame rails rotted right out of the damn thing
it was horrible cause it was newer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 02, 2008, 10:57:50 PM
The only reason we still have it is, well, it's pretty quick
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: theredlineboss on June 07, 2008, 08:37:18 AM
Now that I'm advancing beyond lurker status...I just wanted to say: WOW!  The work that you have done for this car is beyond awesome.  Like others have mentioned, up until now, this level of work has been unheard of for fox cougars. 

I'm going to need to take some welding lessons myself; I've got a lot of rot in my car, as well as a few plugged holes (from the antennae and lightbar).

-Rob
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 07, 2008, 04:40:55 PM
So after it's all done are you going to run around with a 5.0 HO and wire wheels? It would be funny to see you burn the tires if you keep the wire hubcaps :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 07, 2008, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;222510
So after it's all done are you going to run around with a 5.0 HO and wire wheels? It would be funny to see you burn the tires if you keep the wire hubcaps :D


LOL
I may even keep the whitewalls. Who would expect a HO in it. :evilgrin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 07, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: theredlineboss;222473
Now that I'm advancing beyond lurker status...I just wanted to say: WOW!  The work that you have done for this car is beyond awesome.  Like others have mentioned, up until now, this level of work has been unheard of for fox cougars. 

I'm going to need to take some welding lessons myself; I've got a lot of rot in my car, as well as a few plugged holes (from the antennae and lightbar).

-Rob


It's just a Mustang thats a little longer. I never thought it was odd to want to rebuild it. I thought everyone else on the board was doing stuff like this when I joined. I didn't know you could still buy one in one piece out west. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 08, 2008, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: daminc;222525
It's just a Mustang thats a little longer.


and ALOT less power...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on June 08, 2008, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: daminc;222525
It's just a Mustang thats a little longer. I never thought it was odd to want to rebuild it. I thought everyone else on the board was doing stuff like this when I joined. I didn't know you could still buy one in one piece out west. :hick:


Jerry, count me in as one of those "everyone" guys,lol.  You'll be finished before me, though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 08, 2008, 08:53:29 PM
Quote from: HAVI;222629
Jerry, count me in as one of those "everyone" guys,lol.  You'll be finished before me, though.


We'll see what you think after you see this side of the car. LOL
Scott, I have some side moulding you can have. (front Quarter panel moulding)

Well, Its time to get the other side going.
I got it back up to work on this side.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3684.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3685.jpg)

Now it's time to look over the damage.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3686.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3687.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3688.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3689.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3690.jpg)

The rocker on this side is in pretty good shape. The front part is un-rusted as is the rest of the panel until it gets to the quarter panel seam.
The bottom seems a little thin, and I'll probably cut it out and replace the flat section that gets welded to the floor pan underneath
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3691.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3692.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3693.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3694.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3695.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3697.jpg)

Looking at this side, I see that it's a lot better then the other side.
Here's a pic of the condition of the rubber on the windows of the car. I hear a lot of talk about everyone needing new 1/4 windows and dew strips. Its about the only thing I don't need on the exterior of my car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3701.jpg)

This side will get the same treatment as the other. Just a bit less in the panel replacing.
The quarter panel will get cut, much like the other side.
I'm still undecided about where I'm going to cut the panel where it meets the door
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3703.jpg)

The inside jamb and the rocker will get replaced like the other side
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/IMG_3704.jpg)

Well, thats all I got to show. Now it's time to do it.
Until next Time.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on June 08, 2008, 09:35:46 PM
god damnnn
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on June 08, 2008, 09:52:51 PM
In light of post #280, it'll be close, lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Carpimp1987 on June 08, 2008, 11:56:34 PM
That was a lot of rust but Great work so far man.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 10, 2008, 05:49:35 PM
I started the pass. side this afternoon.
I cut out the bad spots
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3706.jpg)

You can see, the rocker front doesn't need to be repaired on this side. I pulled the plug out and stuck my finger in there. I didn't feel any rust at all inside there.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3707.jpg)

Started pre-bending everything, so I could weld it up at one time
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3708.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3709.jpg)

another gorgeous day in Buffalo, NY
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3710.jpg)

Here's a little more pre-fab work. Everything marked
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3711.jpg)

And as they say on the cooking show,  BAM!!!
(You gotta have the lines in the floor.)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3712.jpg)

On to the back.
I'm skipping some pics, because it's mainly a replay of the other side. there's also less to repair, as you can see by the way it's moving along.
This all happened in about 2 hrs. time

Here is the back of the pan cut out, like the other side.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3713.jpg)

here is everything ready to be welded. just need a few more pieces to finish it up.
I'll also fill the hole from the plug. It's easier to cut the floor for the frame, when it's solid.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3714.jpg)

Of course, everything will be treated with pickelx, before welding.
I'll open up the frame to treat the inside of them too.
(I feel like I've done this before)
Thats all for today my friends.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CougarSE on June 10, 2008, 07:32:30 PM
Your Monte Carlo has a 100000 mile warranty against rust.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 10, 2008, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;222945
Your Monte Carlo has a 100000 mile warranty against rust.


Thanks, I guess it has a 6 year/ 100,000 mile corrosion warranty.
Were going to look into it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 14, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Today's events...
I cut open the floor to check the frame.
not bad for 21 years in Buffalo
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3716.jpg)

while I was waiting for the work I had done to the floor to dry,
I coated and punched all the panels for welding
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3717.jpg)

Here is the first piece. you can see I ground down, then coated inside the frame and the hidden part of the lap seam.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3718.jpg)

more pieces
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3719.jpg)

my handy work up close
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3720.jpg)

back seat time
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3721.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3722.jpg)

I'll finish welding the rest of the floor pieces and move on to the upper part of the rear floor/wheel well area.
the floor should be done after another day of work.
then on to the rocker.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: chas jr on June 14, 2008, 07:07:30 PM
AWESOME WORK. It just keeps getting better and better very time you post. Great job:D :D :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on June 14, 2008, 08:46:31 PM
Hey dude all I would like to say is way to go: :jerry: :jerry: :jerry: :jerry: very :cool:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on June 14, 2008, 09:28:54 PM
Ummmm,I think he could build an entire car if he wanted to.

you do some awesome work !!!!!!!!!!!!................I love this thread.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: *MAYHEM* on June 15, 2008, 10:50:48 AM
I'm thinkin' if you give him 3500 lbs of steel wool he could build a new cat in less than a year. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on June 15, 2008, 11:19:36 AM
hahahah
well Im finally getting the welder, and im gonna try and get some patch panels off a mark i found at a local yard!!
gonna try and be like you hahaha
looks great man!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on June 15, 2008, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: daminc;222929
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3712.jpg)

daminc, two questions... what guage of metal is that and how did you actually bend it so beautifully to the contours in the floor?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 15, 2008, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: cougarXLS;223631
daminc, two questions... what guage of metal is that and how did you actually bend it so beautifully to the contours in the floor?


0000 steel wool and my wife's knitting needles --lol--J/K

Ok, for real.
I use 20 ga. and my brake. It's not made for steel so I have to use clamps to hold the locking bar down. It's a 10' aluminum brake, but I can get away with bending approx. 5-6 feet of 20 ga. without blowing apart the gate.
For smaller stuff, I have a bead roller, with all the diff. rollers
When I did the center one that didn't go all the way through, I let it hang out of the end of the brake, when I bent it.
I've had a lot of practice bending. been doing it since I was 18, and now I'm 40 something. LOL
People have said, I can bend up a pretzel out of metal. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3727.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3728.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3729.jpg)

Chooglin, I'm not sure about a whole car, this is more then enough for me. LOL

daboss351, Thats great, you can get some good practice with your car. LOL
If you got any ?s, just give a shout, I'll help any way I can

*MAYHEM* --LOL --Who writes your material, He's good
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 15, 2008, 02:54:17 PM
I did a little playing around today. I've got no ambition, and it's Fathers Day. Yes, it's just like my birthday, I GET PRESENTS today. LOL
I cleaned up around the wheelwell. there was some rust in the seam, so I treated it and decided to reinforce it, just in case it keeps rusting.
I took my sawsall to the floor and opened up the frame, so I could coat it also.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3731.jpg)

And I put a coat on the front.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3730.jpg)

Thats all for today
HAPPY FATHERS DAY
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on June 16, 2008, 10:03:01 AM
Quote from: cougarXLS;223631
daminc, two questions... what guage of metal is that and how did you actually bend it so beautifully to the contours in the floor?

Quote from: daminc;223652
I use 20 ga. and my brake. It's not made for steel so I have to use clamps to hold the locking bar down. It's a 10' aluminum brake, but I can get away with bending approx. 5-6 feet of 20 ga. without blowing apart the gate.
For smaller stuff, I have a bead roller, with all the diff. rollers
When I did the center one that didn't go all the way through, I let it hang out of the end of the brake, when I bent it.

Thanks.... this is why I love this site... I learn something new everyday.  :bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 28, 2008, 04:45:52 PM
A little more work on the pass. side floor
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3760.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3761.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3775.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3776.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3777.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3778.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3780.jpg)

Here's a few pics of what's to come next
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3762.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3763.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3764.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3765.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3767.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3769.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3770.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on June 28, 2008, 04:55:00 PM
Ya know, Jerry, some people would look at that and think yer crazy, lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on June 28, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
DAMN!! thats alot of rot!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 28, 2008, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: HAVI;225052
Ya know, Jerry, some people would look at that and think yer crazy, lol.



I don't feel crazy. :hick:

Quote
Cougar8775
   DAMN!! thats alot of rot!


It's actually easier to repair if it's gone.
That pesky rust doesn't get in the way

But you can't see the ground anymore, can you. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on June 28, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
no but your car is in alot better shape than the 86 tbird i junked. i swear the car woulded of folded up under a stiff breze(sp). i mean there was more metal missing than what was there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 28, 2008, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;225088
no but your car is in alot better shape than the 86 tbird i junked. i swear the car woulded of folded up under a stiff breze(sp). i mean there was more metal missing than what was there.


I guess it's all relative to what you compare it too
At least this side is better then the other.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 29, 2008, 03:59:09 PM
The last of the floor repair on the entire car.
Thank God, It's got to be the most awkward position to work in.

I made sure I had enough to weld the patches to the frame, before I covered it up.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3781.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3782.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3783.jpg)

the entire side still needs to be seam sealed and primed again.
I'll do that after the SFC gets cut through the floor.

 Up next!
cutting off the lip from the lower rocker, where it meets the floor.
Also, cutting off the bottom of the rocker and replacing it with new metal, so the jacking rail has something strong to hold on to.

after the new lip is replaced, I'll make the SFC for the pass. side, and get rid of the rest of the rust underneath the car.

We are now officially "Flintstone" Free
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: hirax on June 30, 2008, 04:04:15 AM
Quote from: daminc;225048

Here's a few pics of what's to come next

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3763.jpg)


What is Your plan with those exessive parts of old floor ? There is rather big gap between sheets.
Only sealing, weld edges from underneath and sealing or cut exessive part and sealing ?
Without seam sealing rust will come inside from here.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 30, 2008, 07:29:31 AM
They will be tightened up and seam sealed after the rust is treated and coated.
I couldn't find a good pic, because it's hard to take one under there.
Here is what the underneath of the drivers side looks like.
I would say 25-30% of this side was repaired the same way
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3557.jpg)

and then after this goes on, its tough to see where the repairs were.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3568.jpg)

I'm also not worried about rusting, as this car will never be out in bad weather. It will never see salt again and will be checked over every spring before it leaves it's auto cocoon.
It will also be trailered for long distance travel.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 30, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
Started cleaning up the rust underneath the car
Used pickelx and a wire brush, cleans it up to metal again.
Then I just wiped off the rust and did it again.
and then a coat of encapsulator.
I was going to cut the bottom lip off the rocker, but I need to think about where I'm going to put the E-brake brackets that are welded to the rocker lip right now. (can be seen in second pic)

Notice the front frame still has paint on it
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3784.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_3785.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 06, 2008, 07:29:40 PM
This is the part where I cut up what actually looks good.
Is it wrong that I enjoy doing this. LOL

Now you see it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3823.jpg)

Now you don't
that's the lip from the inner and outer rocker.
excuse me, that WAS the lip
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3824.jpg)

Here it is cut off flush with the floor.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3825.jpg)

I knew the rocker was rusted badly, even though it looked good
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3826.jpg)

again, I cut out the supports that were rusted. and I will reinforce them like the other side.
you can see the extra welds I did on the existing panels a lot better from here.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3827.jpg)

Here's the new inner lip ready to be welded to the inner rocker.
You can also see the support that needs to be repaired a lot better
also another good shot of the extra welds that I did inside the car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3828.jpg)

another view
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3829.jpg)

I probably won't be working on it for a couple weeks.
I need the pass side door on, before I can go any farther on this side. There's just too much of my door missing to try to put the quarter and door jamb together.

I may take the doors off to get rid of any rust before the replacements arrive in 2 weeks. and of course I won't be working on it next weekend, because I'll be attending Catjam 08.

I'll be uploading pics from Catjam from Fri - Sun, so if you not able to make it, you can see what I saw that weekend.

So, I'll see some of you this coming weekend. I should be easy to find, I have no cat, but now I have a Panther (The New Blues Mobile).

I'll be back with more updates in 2 weeks.
See you then
Jerry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 19, 2008, 06:57:26 PM
I'm back,
Just a few pics.


Inner rocker tacked
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3929.jpg)

Inner, inner rocker tacked to floor, which will also be welded to the jacking rail
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3927.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3926.jpg)

It's not pretty, but it's really strong
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3925.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3928.jpg)

I'm just finishing up where I left off 2 weeks ago. I'll finish welding everything tomorrow
Hopefully I can remember what I planned to do next. It's been a while.
I think it was SFC's on this side and then the quarter panel.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on July 20, 2008, 07:54:05 AM
"Anything built by man can be fixed by man"
 
I don't know who first said it, it has sparked many a debate. Jerry seems to be living proof that it is indeed true. T'is wonderful. :bowdown:
 
This will keep me subscribed to any updates eh? :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 20, 2008, 05:08:22 PM
Spent  an hour on the car today.
Started cutting the frame and the floor.

Here's the before I took a sawzall to it shot
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3930.jpg)

A few "as I go" pics
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3931.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3933.jpg)

Here's a shot of the dry fit to mark the floor to cut.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3934.jpg)

another shot
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3935.jpg)

Here's a shot of the floor cut out and ready to test the SFC
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3936.jpg)

Here it is in place
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3937.jpg)

inside view
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_3938.jpg)

Next I'll be working on the jacking rails and cross braces. (The fun stuff)

The parts train came through Grand Island today.
And guess what, I got a delivery from kitzdnm as he was passing through on his way to Canada.
here's some new stuff for my project.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_3939.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_3941.jpg)

I also got a TC front bumper cover with almost no scuffs on it with the chrome strip around it. (I love my chrome)  and a dual power seat switchplate for a full console

Until next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on July 21, 2008, 12:30:48 PM
NICE!!
want heads next??
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 21, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
What you got?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 88TurboCoupeman01 on July 25, 2008, 09:35:04 PM
Wow thats a lot of Rust but great job rebuiling it not crushing many props.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on July 25, 2008, 10:58:04 PM
i got e7's
and ill send you a pm about what else
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 26, 2008, 07:27:54 AM
Hey damnic,so thats where my egr spacer is.Thats a 70mm one.
I was wondering where I put that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2008, 08:04:19 AM
Need it back?
I'll send it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 26, 2008, 08:09:13 AM
I have no use for it.I was just wondering the other day where I put it.put it to good use.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2008, 08:10:48 AM
Thanks, I'll treat it like gold. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 26, 2008, 09:27:53 AM
I have new gaskets for it somewhere,I'll mail them to you when I find them.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2008, 09:46:37 AM
Thanks, kitz

Just to put it out there:
I'll be looking for a decent set of heads in the fall or early winter. (Pref. GT40s)
and some other misc. HO upgrade parts. (need to find out what I have collected first)
got to space these things out to buy them.
Getting a set of Chucks motor mounts this weekend first.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 26, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
The cw mounts are nice.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on July 26, 2008, 10:59:45 AM
got mine.  I think they'll hold up pretty well.  I got mine with the hard rubber.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2008, 05:52:49 PM
Todays adventure is all about doors.
I took off my old doors and got the new doors ready to go on.
Here's one of the new doors all cleaned up and ready to be encapsulated.
I stripped the old seam sealer and cleaned off the surface rust. Then treated it with pickelx.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3951.jpg)

then the painting.
After this dries, I'll put on the new seam sealer, then coat it again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3952.jpg)

So, I'm taking the doors off. Pulling wires, unpluging connectors, pulling out the door lock poppers, when it hit me. My hands aren't getting dirty. After all that work with my hands inside the door, you would think they would be black from undercoating and rustproofing inside the panels.
I figured out why my car rusted out.
Here's a pic of the inside of my door.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3956.jpg)

Then it got me thinking. I don't remember seeing any rustproofong in the rockers either. or in the front of the quarter panels, right next to the door.
CRAP!!    The car was never rustproofed!
Not that its a bad thing. BUT I LIVE IN BUFFALO!!
I can't believe the first owner didn't have it rustproofed.
Oh well, things you wished you knew. LOL

So, here is my car the way it sits waiting for the doors to be put on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3955.jpg)

That's all for today my friends. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 26, 2008, 06:11:47 PM
Aren't the frickin' doors heavy! I had 'em both off my car during the body work and couldn't believe what they weighed! It's no wonder these things weigh upwards of 3500 pounds...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on July 26, 2008, 06:45:20 PM
I HATE adjusting the doors to fit right.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;229222
Aren't the frickin' doors heavy! I had 'em both off my car during the body work and couldn't believe what they weighed! It's no wonder these things weigh upwards of 3500 pounds...


I had my son help to unload them when kitz came over.
He thought I was crazy that I asked him to help with the doors.
Then he picked up one end with me and his eyes got real big and he said he couldn't believe they were that heavy. LOL

I remember the doors on my 78 monarch were a 3 person install.

I'm going to weigh one tomorrow.
Any bets on the weight?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: booksix on July 26, 2008, 10:39:00 PM
Ok, I forget...  when did you say you were coming to CA to do 'all of the above' on my car?  LOL

Truly amazing work!  I hope one day I am good enough to do this to a car and still have it look like a car!  :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 27, 2008, 07:23:34 AM
I'll be there when the ground stops moving. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 27, 2008, 08:49:41 AM
87.5lb's
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 27, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
First, I'll start with a few pics of the old doors. Sure I could have fixed them, but doors are easy to change. Yea, yea, I know I could have done that with the whole car right from the start. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3957.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3959.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3961.jpg)

here's a couple pics of the seam sealer on the new doors.
Gotta make it look nice.

Taping it off
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3962.jpg)

seam sealer on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3963.jpg)

Tape off
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3964.jpg)

and here's the other door
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3968.jpg)

While the doors are setting up, I took the time to get rid of any rust in the door jambs and around any joints.
as you can see, there's a little in the hinge area.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3969.jpg)

Got out my trusty sand blaster, and went to town.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3970.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3971.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3972.jpg)

Yes, I did both sides
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3973.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3974.jpg)

And by now, you know what I'm going to say next.....
after blasting, I treated the bare metal with pickelx to keep it from rusting.

So another fun day with doors. (more like an hour) but still fun. I'll put another coat on the bottom of the doors, before I put them on.
I'm only putting them on right now, to finish the metal work.
I'll be taking them off again when I strip the paint off the car to epoxy prime it. the doors will also be easier to work on off the car. and the jambs will be stripped the rest of the way.
I didn't have to blast the rust off the jambs right now, but I wanted to see how well they would clean up.

Until next time boys and girls, (you know who you are)
See you next week.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 28, 2008, 12:49:35 PM
Got the doors on this morning, by myself
Here's some pics.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3975.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3976.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3977.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3978.jpg)


Just though I would share.
The rest of the frame is next
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 28, 2008, 03:37:24 PM
The pinstripe doesn't match.I guess its still to early to see if the electrics work.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on July 28, 2008, 04:06:00 PM
bad ass
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 28, 2008, 05:42:04 PM
Quote from: kitzdnm;229488
The pinstripe doesn't match.I guess its still to early to see if the electrics work.

I just have to plug them in, and toss the battery in. Everything is run through but not clipped in. Mabe tomorrow

I've been looking at the door with the blacked out trim. And I'm thinking, mabe not putting the chrome on around the windows.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on July 28, 2008, 08:37:58 PM
IMHO, I'd suggest chroming around the windows... but it really depends on your paint scheme.  I say this because... if you're chroming, say, the mirrors, and a few other spots, I think t'would complement the car.
 
Cougar A & B are chromed around the windows, their mirrors, the door handles, etc., but X is not.  I just couldn't picture X with chrome around the windows.
 
But hey, just a thought.
 
 
Just out of curiosity, what colour/paint scheme are you planning on for your finished project?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 28, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: cougarXLS;229541
Just out of curiosity, what colour/paint scheme are you planning on for your finished project?


Either black or this color. it's almost black. Can't remember what it's called at the moment. It's a charcoal color

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/2207711_10_full.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on July 28, 2008, 09:00:13 PM
Then I'd definitly reccomend the chrome.  :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: theredlineboss on July 28, 2008, 11:33:22 PM
Once again, great work!  And I would vote for the charcoal (I **think** it is called "Dark Shadow Gray Metallic").

-Rob
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on July 29, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
I don't know why, but I keep forgetting that this car needs repair on both sides for some reason.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on July 29, 2008, 02:10:59 AM
Quote from: theredlineboss;229580
Once again, great work!  And I would vote for the charcoal (I **think** it is called "Dark Shadow Gray Metallic").

-Rob


Believe you are righ on the name. If I could come up with a two tone I liked I that would be the other color along with black.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 29, 2008, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: DerikWayne;229587
I don't know why, but I keep forgetting that this car needs repair on both sides for some reason.


You don't need to remember anymore, this is the other side.
And it will be together in a couple weekends.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 29, 2008, 02:09:58 PM
Got the windows up. everything seems to work fine. and if not, I have 2 extra sets of door parts now.
The tint on these windows are unbelievable. Like new glass also.
the buckle up stickers on the glass look brand new.

Kitz, How long were these stored away, again?

Now that I have my doors on, I'll finish up the frame during the week. (I hope)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 29, 2008, 04:36:45 PM
From what I know 8yrs,3 with me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 29, 2008, 05:31:47 PM
I think I'm going to leave the chrome just around the windows, and black out everything else. And leave the chrome on the body moulding and paint the mirrors with the car.
Then I'll have enough chrome to go with my wheel covers.
Oh yea, you heard me right. wheel covers and whitewalls

Look how yellow my headlights got
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3992.jpg)

It's not a good shot. I was trying to keep my reflection out of the shot.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3993.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 29, 2008, 07:41:23 PM
Was the sticker on your windows worn off? Mine look nice like the one in the pic.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 29, 2008, 07:45:43 PM
It was faded out or something. or the tint on these windows is a bit darker which makes them stand out more. I can barely see inside the car now.

Look how light the tint is in my sig. compared to the pic above
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 10, 2008, 03:10:40 PM
No car work this weekend, Had to build a handicapped ramp for someone instead. Don't you hate when work gets in the way.

I'm still collecting parts though. got these and the whole header panel yesterday from Cougar8775 as he was passing through from Niagara Falls.
For being nowhere near anyone, I see a lot of members here. LOL
Thanks, John and Nicole. It was good to meet both of you

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4065.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on August 10, 2008, 05:09:32 PM
Not a problem. Glad to help. And we had a good time. And great meeting another person saving these cars.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on August 10, 2008, 09:59:35 PM
You're installing satellite TV in your Cougar???

:hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 10, 2008, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;231495
You're installing satellite TV in your Cougar???

:hick:


LOL, Free To Air

Going to bolt it on the roof. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 17, 2008, 10:26:36 PM
Here's a free gift for everyone that liked my SFCs.
Have Fun!! :D
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/secret%20plans/IMG_3944-1.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 18, 2008, 07:08:42 PM
I'm back!!!
Made the SFCs for the pass. side today.
Those plans work well. Right on the money. I made these off the plans. the seat brace cut is not on the plans.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4079.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4080.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4081.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4082.jpg)

Now I can seam seal the underneath of the car. Weld the frames up, paint everything, and put everything together.
I'm on my way once again.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on August 18, 2008, 07:13:46 PM
Ummmmmmm,wait a minute,did you finish those cabinet doors yet?

wifes dont like us jumping from one project to another, do they?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 18, 2008, 07:15:09 PM
LOL,
I'm in between batches

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=20469&page=3 (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=20469&page=3")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 20, 2008, 06:42:06 PM
Todays progress report.
Test fit the frame that I welded up yesterday
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4083.jpg)

Seam sealed underneath the car
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4085.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4086.jpg)

Made it look pretty
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4084.jpg)

and put a coat of paint on it
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4087.jpg)

I'll put a couple coats of paint on the frame and the floor during the next few days. Then it's time to put it in.

and some more stuff I've collected.
I can now replace my consolette.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4088.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 20, 2008, 07:16:52 PM
Digi gauges and 65mm t-body coming soon to a Daminc near you.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 21, 2008, 05:58:56 PM
2nd coat of paint
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4092.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4091.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4090.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4089.jpg)


A few more parts.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4093.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4094.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on August 21, 2008, 06:35:19 PM
What cam is that?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 21, 2008, 06:52:45 PM
They're all stock HO and Mass Air parts that I've been collecting.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on August 22, 2008, 02:50:41 AM
Did you get the emblems yet? :burnout:
Title: A++ for cougarman
Post by: daminc on August 22, 2008, 07:21:02 AM
Oh crap,
Sorry. I forgot to get back with you.
Yes, I got them. We had a lot going on that week
Everything is great
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on August 22, 2008, 07:26:23 AM
Oh that's ok, lol, just wanted to make sure you liked them.:D :burnout:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 22, 2008, 05:58:46 PM
Fitted the frame and welded it in.
Had to stop half way through, when I pushed on a brake line and it kinked and started leaking.
I'll finish welding tomorrow after I replace the brake line.

Here's the frame right before I started welding
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4095.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 23, 2008, 06:05:26 PM
After messing with the brake line this morning, I took some parts off the bird, and got to work on my car
here's the finished frame.
Welded it and seam sealed it.
All good to go. I can check that off the list.

here's a bunch of pics from diff. angles.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4097.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4098.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4099.jpg)


Pass side from the front.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4101.jpg)

Here's the drivers side from the front
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4102.jpg)

And here's the inside all finished and sealed.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/frame%20rails%20and%20connectors/IMG_4096.jpg)

Lined up and adjusted the doors so the quarter panel can be installed.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4106.jpg)

Nice, the old doors never fit this good
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4105.jpg)

Now I can start disassembly of the new quarter panels.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4107.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4108.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4109.jpg)

I'd have to say that I had a pretty good day today.
We'll see what tomorrow brings.
Glad you could stop in and check the progress.
Until next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on August 23, 2008, 08:07:49 PM
Doing great, Jerry!  Sure beats all the brushwork I did all day, lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 24, 2008, 05:19:31 PM
Did a little more panel work
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4124.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4125.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4128.jpg)

and a little measuring for the cut
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4126.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4127.jpg)

Thats all the time I had today.
until next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 24, 2008, 07:34:01 PM
Uber Sweet.Great work.I myself have to install new doors (well,I don't HAVE to,but they are mint,so I'm going to).How hard was it to do and to get the door's alignment right?I think I'm going to hate it,but,it's gonna be done whether I like it or not.Just do it and get it over with.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 24, 2008, 08:02:52 PM
I have no front fenders on, it took about 10 min a door. getting them on and wired is the hardest part. take the lock poppers out to get to the connector. its the only way to get to it. There's a little plastic retainer clip holding it to the rod. the rest of the wires and connectors are within reach
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 24, 2008, 08:07:44 PM
I may splice a wire or two for the hard to reach ones.I'm not apposed to making the job somewhat easier.How did you support the doors for the installation?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 24, 2008, 08:24:14 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;233484
I may splice a wire or two for the hard to reach ones.I'm not apposed to making the job somewhat easier.How did you support the doors for the installation?


Takes 10 sec. to get them out. I'll show you the clips on them tomorrow.

I put the doors on my bench. it was the right height with the car on ramps.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3975.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Doors/IMG_3976.jpg)

used my bar clamps to keep the door upright.
and 2 words for ease of installing.
not the ones your thinking of. LOL
AIR RATCHET....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 24, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
No air ratchet....I don't think.I have a compressor that I've had for a year and it's still in the big box,and air tools that are still in the plastic box.Perhaps I should get them out and actually use them.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 25, 2008, 07:50:44 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;233530
No air ratchet....I don't think.I have a compressor that I've had for a year and it's still in the big box,and air tools that are still in the plastic box.Perhaps I should get them out and actually use them.LOL.


Are you kidding?  LOL
and you just did all that swapping and upgrading?
Break that baby out, and fire it up. It'll look more impressive out of the box.
It's OK to get the new tools dirty. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: booksix on August 25, 2008, 10:39:47 AM
Holy crap Vinn!  You gotta bust that stuff out!  Nothin' makes you feel more manly (and on those needed occasions - more like a real mechanic :hick: ) than air tools blasting everything apart!  If nothing else, do it for me...  and take pictures!!  :D  I just moved from a huge house with 3 car garage to a 2 bdrm condo with a one car garage 3 stories below... a garage that doesn't fit my car!  It SUCKS!!  Last week I put my car up on ramps in the underground parking garage.  And this is a "everyone acts like they make more money than you but really they can't even afford there Mercedes car payment" area so I got some weird looks!  I'm suffering! :punchballs:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 25, 2008, 02:06:26 PM
Well,I have been pretty manly without the air tools,BUT,with suspension rebuild getting ready to happen,things are gonna change.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on August 25, 2008, 05:39:40 PM
so why is it called project evolution anyway???? bet it has todo with that secret stuff coming huh? loooks like a lot of work,, and that cat definately makes my 88 look ike gold! my entire undercarrage is still factory sealed red... p.s. mighty fine metal fab work!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on August 25, 2008, 05:50:02 PM
looks awesome!!
do mine next!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 25, 2008, 06:31:08 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;233603
so why is it called project evolution anyway???? bet it has todo with that secret stuff coming huh? loooks like a lot of work,, and that cat definately makes my 88 look ike gold! my entire undercarrage is still factory sealed red... p.s. mighty fine metal fab work!


Thanks for the compliment.
The "Project Evolution" came about, after I finished the floors and couldn't see the concrete floor anymore.
It started out as "The Flintstone car" (which people still refer to it as) because of the lack of floor.
Then changed briefly to "Project Bedrock", which in turn evolved to "Project Evolution"

The secret stuff has nothing to do with the project at the moment.
There are 3 people on the forum that know what it is, and will probably be helping out in one way or another. I can't say any more about it, because it's still in the drafting stage right now.
But when the time is right, I'll let everyone know. :evilgrin:

Mason, You got the frame plans and a welder now. You just need to stretch it out a little for yours.
According to my plans, the cars should be the same except for length
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on August 26, 2008, 03:14:22 PM
yes and those plans would be fun to drive!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 26, 2008, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;233702
yes and those plans would be fun to drive!!


LOL.
oops. Mabe 4 people
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on August 26, 2008, 08:41:53 PM
i ment all my body work hahah
but I have other problems....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 26, 2008, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: daboss351;233742
i ment all my body work hahah
but I have other problems....


You don't need me, your doing it yourself already.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on August 26, 2008, 10:28:37 PM
lol would be nice to have some metal patches hahah
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 26, 2008, 10:47:48 PM
You have a great car to learn panel repairing.
any car after this one will be cake.
hands on learning, is great knowledge
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on August 27, 2008, 03:45:23 PM
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar8775 
yes and those plans would be fun to drive!!

LOL.
oops. Mabe 4 people"

You really don't remember mutch bout that day huh or what we talked bout.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on August 27, 2008, 03:45:27 PM
double post.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 27, 2008, 06:58:49 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;233861
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar8775 
yes and those plans would be fun to drive!!

LOL.
oops. Mabe 4 people"

You really don't remember mutch bout that day huh or what we talked bout.


LOL
Dude, remember I said I played in a metal band in the 80s.
Lets just say, I'm surprised to still be alive after all that and hanging out with Cannibal Corpse for 12 years.

I remember most of that night. Sometimes I need a refresher. LOL
Sucks when you start to fee old.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 27, 2008, 11:24:33 PM
Sorry I forgot to get pics.Gayle is still sick.The chrome trim does look good,though.No damage I can see at all.The doors are close to mint.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: shame302 on August 28, 2008, 01:36:44 PM
wow man, intense project. you certainly took the road less travaled with this one. very impressive!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2008, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: shame302;233984
wow man, intense project. you certainly took the road less travaled with this one. very impressive!


Thanks, I've always taken the path less traveled. It drove my parents crazy when I was a kid.


Today's quick update.

I guess this is where I'm cutting the quarters. no turning back from this one. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4161.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4162.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4163.jpg)

More to follow over the long weekend.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on August 28, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
Dude, You know your insane!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2008, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: kitzdnm;234027
Dude, You know your insane!!


Just wait,
It's only going to crazier. If you can believe that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on August 28, 2008, 08:25:54 PM
Shoulda kept the tail light portion of the quarters, then you coulda used the cooler T-Bird tail lights and made it a real Thundercat :hick:

*dons flame suit*
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2008, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;234034
Shoulda kept the tail light portion of the quarters, then you coulda used the cooler T-Bird tail lights and made it a real Thundercat :hick:

*dons flame suit*


I've tried to get that idea to work, but I would have to rebuild the entire backend of the car and custom make a trunk lid that would work with the back window of a cougar and the sloped trunk of a bird.  :hick:
Not saying it couldn't be done, but I'll be just as happy with a 90+% rustfree car.
Mabe the next one.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on August 28, 2008, 08:41:17 PM
SHIT,Aint nuttin like a cat in your rear lights.!!!
Thats the way it is.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2008, 09:13:44 PM
Wow, we hit page 40 today
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 28, 2008, 09:50:10 PM
There''s a fine line between sane and insane.Maybe he's walking the line.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on August 28, 2008, 09:51:05 PM
Only page 40.We still have a ways to go.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on August 28, 2008, 10:48:59 PM
Im on page 10 :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 29, 2008, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;234034
Shoulda kept the tail light portion of the quarters, then you coulda used the cooler T-Bird tail lights and made it a real Thundercat :hick:

*dons flame suit*


We all know T-bird>Cougar anyways ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 29, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
OK, I had to do it. Needs another coat.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_4200.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/Floor%20repair/IMG_4201.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on August 29, 2008, 09:03:55 PM
Now that definetly looks better than orange.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 29, 2008, 09:22:53 PM
I think it's better then the black too.
Mabe I'll do the underneath gray too, It'll give it more of a factory look.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 31, 2008, 05:51:20 PM
Today's fun
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4237.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4238.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4245.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4246.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4250.jpg)

I had planned on saving the quarters for a wheelwell fix how-to.
but in this case, there's no fixing this. Only replacing.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4239.jpg)

They pretty much fell apart.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4240.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4241.jpg)

I guess I have a little rust on this side. LOL
fortunately I have extra parts.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4243.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4244.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4251.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4252.jpg)

So I did a little more chopping and cutting, and this is what I come up with.I think it's going to be all right.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4248.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4249.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4253.jpg)

I guess we'll have to see what happens tomorrow.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on August 31, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
The pinstripe still doesn't match!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 31, 2008, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: kitzdnm;234360
The pinstripe still doesn't match!!


LOL
No it really doesn't does it.
But amazingly, the stripe lines up prefect. I could never do that again.
When I striped the car, I looked at it and said "Here looks good"
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on August 31, 2008, 06:46:35 PM
That is amazing I thought it was a factory stripe.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 01, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
So I decided to cut out a little more, because of the rust.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4271.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4272.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4273.jpg)

Put it in place and tacked it together.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4275.jpg)

Also ended up cutting more out of the front too.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4274.jpg)

Next is to weld the patches before the quarter goes on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4277.jpg)

That's all for today. Just getting ready for the panel.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on September 01, 2008, 05:12:40 PM
Mini tub! Mini tub! Mini tub!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 01, 2008, 05:16:43 PM
I've got better plans.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on September 03, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
That poor car, lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on September 10, 2008, 01:31:27 AM
I look forward to this thread everytime i check in and I admire your sticking with it.  I do have to say it though like we do down here,,,,,,,,

"We aint never seen no sh!t like this before!!"


You set the marker pretty high to be topped, lots of lookers out there including myself.:bowdown: :bowdown:

thank you for making my lower radiator support on the white coug look purdy damn simple.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 10, 2008, 09:11:27 AM
Thanks, Its everyones support that keeps me going.
It really wasn't supposed to be this big of a project when I started, but one thing always leads to another.
Now I'm kinda glad I spent all those years hanging out at car restoration sites. It's really come in handy during all this.

I hope to have the entire body welded on in the next 2 weeks.
Then I'm going to drop the tank and blast the entire ass end and seal/paint it so I can turn it around again and pull the motor.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on September 10, 2008, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: jcassity;235642

thank you for making my lower radiator support on the white coug look purdy damn simple.


LMAO!!!:rollin:

yeah I replaced my entire front clip on my cougar, (rad support and inner fenders and part of the frame.. and gave up, LOL)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on September 11, 2008, 12:39:59 AM
Im itching to see your eventual perfectionist work of the front strut tower/frame area.  I have a couple of thoughts on how i would handle it since the scrap yard is not an option, I await more porn shots of this in days or weeks to come.

your use of the magnets is pretty slick there mister, i wont forget it when i need to make damn sure two eventually adjoining flat surfaces need to be on the same plane.  How well do the magnets hold up to the effects of the electrical disturbance from welding?  are they getting weaker?

Also, Are you using one of those clamp type spot welders 120/240 in addition to your mig? 

Also,, i suppose your drilling out the holes for spare part removeal makes means that you simply fill back in the holes while welding and then grind off the excess slag/metal,, correct? I just happened across one pic that showed the backing plate for a rear qtr and then it all clicked how you were going to attach the new part to the body.  Prior to all that, i thought you were going to seam weld which would put too much heat on such a small guage metal.

Also... when your welding,, are you welding holes full but jumping around as to spread out the heat staying far from the previous spot that was heated?

sorry,, too many question or curiosities.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 11, 2008, 03:46:00 AM
Quote from: jcassity;235783
Im itching to see your eventual perfectionist work of the front strut tower/frame area.  I have a couple of thoughts on how i would handle it since the scrap yard is not an option, I await more porn shots of this in days or weeks to come.

your use of the magnets is pretty slick there mister, i wont forget it when i need to make damn sure two eventually adjoining flat surfaces need to be on the same plane.  How well do the magnets hold up to the effects of the electrical disturbance from welding?  are they getting weaker?

Also, Are you using one of those clamp type spot welders 120/240 in addition to your mig? 

Also,, i suppose your drilling out the holes for spare part removeal makes means that you simply fill back in the holes while welding and then grind off the excess slag/metal,, correct? I just happened across one pic that showed the backing plate for a rear qtr and then it all clicked how you were going to attach the new part to the body.  Prior to all that, i thought you were going to seam weld which would put too much heat on such a small guage metal.

Also... when your welding,, are you welding holes full but jumping around as to spread out the heat staying far from the previous spot that was heated?

sorry,, too many question or curiosities.


The front is going to be easy for me, because I have an extra car I can clip the front off of. Both sides if needed.
So far I only see holes in the sheetmetal behind the shock towers which are easy to fix. but we'll see after the motor comes out.

I still need pliers to get the magnets off, so I haven't really noticed them weakening yet.

I'm just using a mig for welding. but plug welding with the help of my hole punch. I'll usually seam weld after the plug weld.

I weld a backing plate where I drill out the welds, and fill the holes in. I tried with out the backing, using a copper plate behind. but it's a pain, and the backing does just as well as long as I seam seal it so moisture doesn't get trapped between the metal.

When I weld the panel on, I skip around while I plug weld the backing strip.
Then I hit the plug welds with a grinder so the magnets sit flush when the panel goes on. then I skip spot weld the panel. It doesn't have to be a solid weld when done. It will be epoxy primed first then filled with waterproof filler.
The backing strip also acts as a heat sink which will be seam sealed on the back side too.

I also use a higher power setting for a shorter time welding sheetmetal (just preference) and 023 wire.
the shorter weld time lets me tack stuff with out wearing a helmet cause it only takes a blink of an eye so to speak. you just need to time it right (and do it a lot)
as long as were on the welder. It's a lincoln 140C gas and gasless with continuous adjustment and also has a cold tip and setup for a spot timer add on. I also use 12 lbs spools of .023 wire for sheetmetal with the argon mix. I also use a miller auto sensing proline helmet. (its real fast).

Questions are never a problem,
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on September 12, 2008, 11:10:51 AM
wow! You're da man :bowdown: !!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on September 27, 2008, 05:20:04 AM
i jinxed the whole thread.  I told you i check in about daily to see progress and nothing since.

need some more porn shots of the progress, hope all is going well.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 27, 2008, 10:58:17 AM
No, You didn't jinx it.
Life got a little in the way since I got back from my honeymoon (14 yrs. late).

Spent my usual fall cleaning and storage routine. (closing pool, cleaning carpets, putting away yard stuff, etc)
 But I did get some porn shots of some things I've been doing.

I ran out of tool storage room, so sears had a 50% of sale last weekend.
So I bought this for $289. The sale may still be going.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4435.jpg)

Here's what I've been thinking for brackets and things under the car and inside the engine bay. Let me know what you think. I'm looking for a color to offset the satin black. and the silver Turbines I'm going to put on the car.
I like the hammered metal look.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4436.jpg)

Also making sure the panel is lining up before I cut and piece the door jamb. Can't just cut it anywhere. these bird parts are stamped a little crisper then the cougar parts. just doing a lot of double checking. it's a one shot deal.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4437.jpg)

Also put another finished coat on the pass. side and started putting wires back in the correct holes if they're still there. otherwise I have to drill new ones.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4438.jpg)


And in between it all, I have to make another batch of doors and drawer fronts for our kitchen. 48 more to be exact.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4439.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4440.jpg)

So as of now, this is how she sits until I'm sure of where I'm cutting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4444.jpg)

I'm also looking for a set of HO heads that won't cost more to ship then to actually buy.
If anyone is close to Buffalo let me know. E-7s would be fine
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on September 29, 2008, 12:22:40 PM
dont worry ill hook u up with the heads.
Ive been busy with stuff lately thats all(see my new thread...)
Ill get the weight and get a quote asap. To ship a t-5 trans it cost me around 80
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 29, 2008, 06:42:13 PM
Well, I also don't want to spend $200 for a pair of used E-7 heads either.
We'll have to see
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on September 29, 2008, 07:42:12 PM
i told you ill give you them for 80 bucks rockers and pushrods or something like that
I just want them gone they in my way lol
how bout this
Ill take the hit on the shipping if its more then I figure

145 shipped they yours
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Bob on September 30, 2008, 08:05:45 AM
Quote from: daminc;237698
Well, I also don't want to spend $200 for a pair of used E-7 heads either.
We'll have to see


If your looking for a nice upgrade over stock without breaking the bank than go with the explorer/mountaineer gt-40p heads and get the explorer intake too, you'll thank me later.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 30, 2008, 08:43:03 AM
I've thought about it. Hard to find parts out this way cheap. Most places here will only sell the whole motor. and not anything decent for cheap.
I think I've got the parts situation covered as of this morning, also.

I'm putting the 302 in from the bird, and doing a stock HO upgrade, this time around. It will be a drastic change from the 3.8. And right now, the price is right for what I need to do.
I plan on taking my time building another motor while I can still drive the cougar.
I'm sure I'm going to have some setbacks and reworking as I'm swapping everything, but It will be all taken care of, and all the bugs will be worked out for this motor.
Besides, Catjam keeps getting closer every day. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Bob on September 30, 2008, 11:56:41 AM
I hear you about CJ09 getting closer and closer. I thought I was going to have my car running to go last year (I even had a room booked). Here I am months later and I still haven't started it LOL...

Like the others have said, I enjoy reading your thread as well keep up the good work!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 30, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Quote
Like the others have said, I enjoy reading your thread as well keep up the good work!

Thanks, I've been watching your project as well. It's Looking real nice. Mabe I'll see you there next year.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 18, 2008, 07:58:14 PM
So, after my little vacation, I'm back to rebuilding the cougar.
But first things first. Even though I havn't been hands on working on the car, I still use the time to find the rest of the parts needed to put it together.

I got a full digital cluster for my upgrade.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4461.jpg)

And I got a handful of these. Are they any good for my project?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4458.jpg)

Thats all I'm going to show you for now. :D


so back to the rebuild
I had to do a little repair work before the actual panels go on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4462.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4467.jpg)

then to keep them from rusting.... you guessed it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4469.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4470.jpg)

while that was drying, I started taking the rocker off the quarter panel. First I had to get rid of the seam sealer, then drill out the welds.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4471.jpg)

And it comes apart.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4472.jpg)

And now for the fun part. The hacking, cutting and fitting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4473.jpg)

A little more cutting and fitting....
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4474.jpg)

And a little more fitting...
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4475.jpg)


Thats all for today. I'm glad to be back.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on October 18, 2008, 08:52:44 PM
Well, it's probably been said, but man, you're an inspiration to us all.

Glad your back :)

Oh, and I love those rims ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on October 18, 2008, 11:51:14 PM
looking good!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 20, 2008, 07:14:54 PM
Todays adventure is getting the rocker ready for welding.
First, I have to fill in all the holes from drilling out the spot welds.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4507.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4508.jpg)

Then the holes in the door jamb.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4509.jpg)

I decided to weld the holes without a backing metal.
just clamp a piece of copper behind the hole, and weld it full
I made this copper spoon out of 1/2" tubing. the angle and round come in handy for a variety of applications. I patched a lot of holes in the floor using this baby.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4510.jpg)

here you can see it's tight with the back of the metal
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4511.jpg)

then weld it closed.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4513.jpg)

then I ground down all the welds.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4514.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4515.jpg)

and back to fitting again
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4516.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4517.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4518.jpg)

the next step is to secure it with screws until it's ready to weld. this part will need to be done before I weld the rocker.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4520.jpg)

Here's what it looks like after today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4521.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on October 20, 2008, 08:28:21 PM
Dam jerry,you are the man.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 20, 2008, 11:25:17 PM
Oh man, after that ride in your car yesterday, I'd say "your the man"
Holy crap, that thing moves.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on October 21, 2008, 12:50:05 AM
Ge some dust guards for those rims. They will be so much easier to keep clean.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on October 21, 2008, 11:55:41 AM
I learned something today don't load this from the begining.That takes some time.
Oh yeh nice wheels,I had some just like that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 21, 2008, 06:44:36 PM
So here's where I decided to cut the jamb.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4523.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4525.jpg)

So much for rust free. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4526.jpg)

Apparently these are stamped a little different too.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4528.jpg)

Here I am making it work on my portable home made anvil.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4527.jpg)

Another angle
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4529.jpg)

Here is everything screwed together.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4530.jpg)

This isn't as easy as it may look from the pics.
Here you can see several problems that I also ran into on the other side. This will probably be a couple hrs. to make everything line up correctly. (I hope)
This door was aligned perfectly with the old panels before I started.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4531.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4532.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4533.jpg)

More misalignment problems.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4534.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4535.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4540.jpg)
 Well, not bad for an hour of work.
It should be perfect by the time I'm done playing with it. ;)

A shot of the panel back on the car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4541.jpg)

That's all I got today. We'll see what tomorrow may bring
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on October 21, 2008, 08:23:46 PM
Jerry, Thanks for the updated photos just remember there's an end to this project somewhere dude. LOL ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on October 21, 2008, 08:37:55 PM
Not that anyone would know or care, but Jerry, your progress is making me look really bad, lol. Keep it up!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on October 21, 2008, 10:04:19 PM
Thanks man,yea she's a handfull LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on October 22, 2008, 07:00:19 AM
Awesome work my friend !!!!! When you're finished,you need to put the car in a big glass box for display only.You'll die if some nut t-bones the Cat.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 22, 2008, 08:28:54 AM
You know if that happened, I would try to fix it, Right?
They would also have to bend my frame. I still need to tie them both together.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 22, 2008, 08:47:15 AM
Well I would hope with that mack truck frame--I mean subframe connectors that it oughta be about indestructible LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on October 22, 2008, 10:26:57 AM
its comming along jerry. man like stated before your making even me look bad since my cougar is just sitting in my driveway collecting dust dirt and now snow lol. I know too early to say that word.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 22, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
In Buffalo, snow is an everyday word.
And yes, I did see snow yesterday and today.



Got to do some aligning today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4542.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4543.jpg)

This will move over when I get the screws out from under the lip.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4544.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4545.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4546.jpg)

So with everything in the right place now. All I have to do is mark the panel and cut it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4547.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4549.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4554.jpg)

And more fitting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4556.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4558.jpg)

This is where we are today.
The magnets are holding the panel.
Here you can see the space between the door and 1/4 panel
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4559.jpg)

This weekend, I'll weld the rocker and jamb. Next is getting ready to weld the 1/4 panel. Then my car will have almost 100% rust free body panels. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on October 23, 2008, 03:29:34 AM
Can't be to much left of the donor car.Your getting there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 23, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
Quote from: kitzdnm;240176
Can't be to much left of the donor car.Your getting there.

I haven't touched the parts bird yet. So far, everyone has used more parts from it then me. LOL
I got the quarters from FLSTCI71 last november during his Cleveland parts run. If I didn't have to replace so much of the car, (which I didn't expect :hick: ) They would have been on before this past summer.
I'm going to get the panel welded on this side, then probably pull the motor for the winter. Fixing the front frame and working on the 302 from the bird will give me something to do during the winter.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on October 23, 2008, 09:52:30 AM
i tell all my car buddies about this thread,,, most replies are "that guy is insane". We pulled up your thread on my laptop while I was down in Az doing a solar project,, it was a lunch break conversation with comcast.  The whole bunch of us was in a big huddle in the shade under a tree so we could see the pics,,, amazing.

one thing we all have in common though is we realize not to complain about projects anymore!:bowdown:  It doesnt get any more trying than this.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 23, 2008, 11:44:37 AM
It really puts things very much in perspective. There's always a car better than you, there's always one worse......and there's always some guy that will jump right OVER you as they restore their vehicle :rollin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on October 23, 2008, 05:03:12 PM
You know by this time you could have just made it a vert ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on October 23, 2008, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;240224
You know by this time you could have just made it a vert ;)


if anyone could,, id hand pick this man!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on October 24, 2008, 07:04:10 AM
Man.. Having this progress up close in person.. on the other side the rear quarter that he's already done, if you run your hand across it, you can't even tell there's been a new piece welded on.. Never mind Jerry making his own convertible.. he should come across the falls more often and help me work on mine!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 24, 2008, 07:54:41 AM
Thanks for the compliments guys, But it would be near impossible and very costly to make it into a convertible. I would pretty much need another cougar convertible to get all the custom made parts from. and there aren't exactly a bunch of them rolling around North America any more.

Alex, if you get a garage that has a little more room in it, I'll give you a hand. But I may be lost on that one, you have no rust. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 24, 2008, 05:43:56 PM
Today I started to weld the jamb and rocker
Here's a couple as I went sorta shots.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4560.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4561.jpg)

Put this part back on and tacked it to check the alignment.
Here you can see the previous weld ground down
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4562.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4563.jpg)

I guess it's time to do more door adjusting again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4564.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4566.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4567.jpg)

For some reason, these doors have a different shape on the top.
I'm kinda wondering if the doors are slightly different between the birds and the cats. I put a straight edge on my old doors and they are straight all the way along the glass trim to the top. These are angled about a 1/4" at the top of the door frame. Hmmmmm....
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4568.jpg)

Another day, another problem to overcome. Mabe I'm just being to pickey.

Until tomorrow
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on October 24, 2008, 05:50:12 PM
hey jerry what gage are you using for sheet metal. Cuz i need to get a price for mine. I looked into the rockers and on the drivers side some of the inner structure is missing. So i have alot of work on my hands. Plus im going to relocate the body drain tubes since ford just slapped em in there and enclosed the rocker panel around them.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 24, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
20 ga. for the body. although I think they skimped, and made it a little shy of 20. mine feel thicker then the ford panels.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: wnt2gofst on October 24, 2008, 10:05:39 PM
this is a cool project, im going to college now for the same kind of stuff you are doing, i love it, cant wait to see the finished car, good luck
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 24, 2008, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;240302
hey jerry what gage are you using for sheet metal. Cuz i need to get a price for mine. I looked into the rockers and on the drivers side some of the inner structure is missing. So i have alot of work on my hands. Plus im going to relocate the body drain tubes since ford just slapped em in there and enclosed the rocker panel around them.


I was just re-reading this.
What drain tubes are in the rockers? Do you have a moonroof?
relocate the tubes like they did on the Marks. They go through the wheelwell just behind, and in front of the rockers. They're the same way on my wife's Lincoln.

Did you ever get the rockers?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 24, 2008, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: wnt2gofst;240320
this is a cool project, im going to college now for the same kind of stuff you are doing, i love it, cant wait to see the finished car, good luck


You mean there's a school for this? LOL
And I had to learn the hard way. :hick:
I'm glad you like the show. It's really about the tools when you do stuff like this.
I also pick up cool shortcuts and tips watching Overhaulin and American Chopper.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on October 25, 2008, 01:21:25 PM
not yet living off unemployment sucks. But yeah i have the moonroof. and when i redo the rockers i will relocate the drain tubes so all my hard work does't go for not.  But i know i have a ton of work ahead.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on October 25, 2008, 01:43:06 PM
Yo ,damnic,I see a future for you ,teacher of body rebuilding. Lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 25, 2008, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: kitzdnm;240357
Yo ,damnic,I see a future for you ,teacher of body rebuilding. Lol.


I'll keep that in mind if this career doesn't pan out. LOL

Today I welded the jamb and started getting ready for the quarter panel


Here's the welded jamb. Still needs to be ground down.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4569.jpg)

Here's a shot of the 1/4. ground off the paint. and put pickelx on it to keep it from rusting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4570.jpg)

Did the same to the backing strips.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4571.jpg)


Punched holes in the quarters to plug weld the backing strips on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4572.jpg)

Backing strip, test fit
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4573.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4574.jpg)

Next is to weld the backing strips on, grind the paint off the rocker panel and test fit everything again.
And I almost forgot..... Everything that I can't get to ever again, needs to be seam sealed.
Very soon, the car will be whole again.
that's all for today my friends.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on October 25, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
that door issue you have there would have me buggin.  I would have to know the answer to what you suspect.  You need a close up pic of a bird door in the area in quesiton. Ill bet your right.

im interested in that hole puch tool you have there,
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 26, 2008, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: jcassity;240390
that door issue you have there would have me buggin.  I would have to know the answer to what you suspect.  You need a close up pic of a bird door in the area in quesiton. Ill bet your right.

im interested in that hole puch tool you have there,


I got a bird in my driveway. Was going to put a straight edge on it but it's been pouring out since yesterday. I may have an answer on that tomorrow. I'm welding a piece on the top of the door to remedy that problem no matter what.

The hole punch / flanger tool is from Harbor freight. I think it was $20.
The die kept moving on it, so I set it to a piece of 18 ga. metal, and put a tack weld on it. problem solved.
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Post by: james cassity on October 26, 2008, 09:55:39 AM
gotta love harbor freight, they have all those odd ball tools in a price range within reach of us diy folks.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 26, 2008, 10:08:22 AM
I need one of their catalogs.
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Post by: james cassity on October 26, 2008, 10:21:21 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;240417
I need one of their catalogs.


once you get one,, you will never stop getting them.

if you pay for the "inside track" membership, the prices are a little lower plus you qualify for lower shipping deals and such.  you also have access to things they have over stock of that are not listed in the regular catalogs.

to be honest, i am happy with all my purchases from them.  thier power tools are really good also.  I havent had to deal with any failures that put me into a return policy either. 

If you look on line, you can find a harbor frieght store near by  as well.  we have one in Salem Va near me.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 26, 2008, 11:23:19 AM
I'm on it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 26, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
Vinnie, if you buy tools from there, you have to take them out of the box and use them. LOL


Today is another day to move things along.

Like I said, I need to seam seal where my hand won't reach.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4575-1.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4576-1.jpg)

Here are some pics of the backing strip being welded on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4577-1.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4578-1.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4579-1.jpg)

Next is to fit the 1/4 panel and check the alignment.
When everything looks good. It'll get welded.

Until next time.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 26, 2008, 06:52:51 PM
I have to use the tools if I buy them? Crap !!!!!......That ruins everything. I STILL have to use the air tools and compressor I bought in June of '07 (still in the boxes). I haven't even removed the door panels and window trim I got from you from their boxes yet. I figure they'll be safer there until paint.
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Post by: daminc on October 26, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;240462
I have to use the tools if I buy them? Crap !!!!!......That ruins everything. I STILL have to use the air tools and compressor I bought in June of '07 (still in the boxes). I haven't even removed the door panels and window trim I got from you from their boxes yet. I figure they'll be safer there until paint.

I get the impression that everything in your house is still in it's original packaging. LOL
Do you have plastic on your sofa?
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 10:10:06 AM
Nope,everything in the house is actually used.LOL.In the garage,that's a different story.I'll get the compressor out soon.I need to replace my strut bushings.I haven't even see the compressor yet,just the big box that it's in.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 27, 2008, 06:26:12 PM
So I got things ready today, ground down some welds, and did some behind the scenes sorta stuff inside the wheel well for welding.

Here's the panel for it's last test run.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4580.jpg)

I had it on and off about 5 times, grinding and fitting the panel.
Mabe 1 or 2 times after this pic.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4581.jpg)

the back end is even.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4582.jpg)

Well, it's official. It's now part of the car.
Here it is tacked on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4583.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4584.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4585.jpg)

I can actually say that I put the car back together in less then a year. Feels good to get that out of the way.
It still needs to be welded, inside and out. But I won't be tripping over that thing anymore. LOL  It takes up a lot of space.

Another thing to remember when welding.....
don't drop your gauges on the floor when swapping gas cylinders.

These are usually at 0 when not connected. oops... I wanted a nicer set anyway.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4587.jpg)

That's all today  :D .....................
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Post by: daminc on October 27, 2008, 06:30:50 PM
And for those who didn't see my video rebuild tour.....
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=21417 (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=21417")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on October 27, 2008, 06:33:07 PM
Seen the last pic, been there sucks. The stripe lines up better though!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 27, 2008, 10:06:44 PM
More stuff,

Got these parts for my car, when I met up with baxo and dominator.
Had a great time that day. We'll have to do that again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4505.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4506.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on October 28, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
That sucks .... (your gauges).....but yeah definately  time for some new ones! The car is looking good ...any special plans for the motor..
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 28, 2008, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;240730
...any special plans for the motor..


Nothing special this time around, just a stock 302 HO.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 28, 2008, 06:53:48 PM
moving right along.............

I welded the panel on today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4588.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4589.jpg)

But wait, there's more

I also finished more doors for my house today too. I'm up past 100 so far. :hick:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4590.jpg)

and base board
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4591.jpg)

Here's a shot of the size difference in panels between the cougar and bird.
The lips, and some other frustrating areas are not the same.
I also believe that the quarter panel has a different shape to it past the wheel well.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4592.jpg)

here's the inside view.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4593.jpg)

Everything ground down and pretty looking
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4594.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4595.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4596.jpg)

A little welding and grinding in the door jamb.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4597.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4598.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4599.jpg)

Here's how the door lines up after everything is together.
just needs a little adjustment now.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4600.jpg)

So talking with my neighbor, and looking at my frame in the front of the car, he says that It can just be fixed, and made stronger then the original frame. Come to find out that he also used to add reinforcing to dump truck frames for a company, on top of repairing them. No worries now. My car will be built like a dump truck. LOL

That's all for today. Until next time......
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Post by: thunderjet302 on October 28, 2008, 07:17:37 PM
Hmm I would have thought that the quarters were the same except for the original parts that you left on the car. Do you think that they could have warped after they were removed?
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Post by: daminc on October 28, 2008, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;240764
Hmm I would have thought that the quarters were the same except for the original parts that you left on the car. Do you think that they could have warped after they were removed?


There really wasn't anything that would make them warp. I used the nippers that cut out the center piece.
the other side was the same way along the vertical seam and didn't quite match along the lower joint under the moulding. I can only assume a difference in panel shape right now. but remember, the trunk lid on a bird is tapered  in width from window to latch. Cougars are straight. I'm guessing the quarter must have a bit more taper to it too.
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Post by: FLSTCI71 on October 28, 2008, 07:58:23 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;240764
Do you think that they could have warped after they were removed?

Hey, I'll vouch for the quarters. They may have warped somehow after they were removed, but I know they were taken off with loving care! :D
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Post by: daminc on October 28, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
You did a great job with the quarters Mike, There's no way they warped the way that they're out of whack.
I think I know what the problem is now.
The inside welding flanges of my cougar, and the flanges of the bird couldn't be totally separated from their original welds. They seem to be rotary welded around the entire flange, so the end result is 2 extra thicknesses of 20 ga. sheet metal sandwiched in between my wheel well. (Approx. .0718" ) and with any gaps between the 2 different panels, I can see where I could gain an adittional 1/8 that the panel is off.
Problem solved.
long story short......It just needs a little filler. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on October 28, 2008, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;240769
Hey, I'll vouch for the quarters. They may have warped somehow after they were removed, but I know they were taken off with loving care! :D


I don't think you screwed up taking them off:D  I was guessing that maybe heat, storage, or something else caused them to warp not you.

Quote from: daminc;240778
You did a great job with the quarters Mike, There's no way they warped the way that they're out of whack.
I think I know what the problem is now.
The inside welding flanges of my cougar, and the flanges of the bird couldn't be totally separated from their original welds. They seem to be rotary welded around the entire flange, so the end result is 2 extra thicknesses of 20 ga. sheet metal sandwiched in between my wheel well. (Approx. .0718" ) and with any gaps between the 2 different panels, I can see where I could gain an adittional 1/8 that the panel is off.
Problem solved.
long story short......It just needs a little filler. LOL


Well hell it wasn't anyone's fault :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on October 29, 2008, 12:11:53 AM
I know the warping wasn't anyone's fault. As Barney Fife would say, I was just being "obtuse". :hick:
 
Jerry (daminc), I hope you can get everything lined up, although I think you've already proven that you can.... and more!
 
Lou, (thunderjet302), it's been nice seeing you on my trips to Chicago the last couple of times. If you ever make it up to Minnesota, you're welcome to swing by here. Bring a pickup though, there's another guy in Chicago who wants some Turbo Coupe seats hauled back for him. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on October 29, 2008, 12:18:30 AM
It's been nice seeing you too. If you swing through again let me know :D I just put the 88 away for the winter though. I put it away before the snow even thought about flying. It's too shiney and clean to be out in the damn salt ;) 

I don't know when I'd be up in Minnesota but I'd have to rent a pick up as all I have to drive is T-birds;) You're north of the Twin Cities right? I might be up there in a year or so to see the new Twins ball park, and watch the Sox beat 'em again:rollin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on October 29, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;240816
You're north of the Twin Cities right? I might be up there in a year or so to see the new Twins ball park, and watch the Sox beat 'em again:rollin:

Nope, we're 100 miles south of the cities. The last Twins game I went to, they actually did play the Sox. And they lost. :mad:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 29, 2008, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;240810
Well hell it wasn't anyone's fault :D


I guess technically it's my fault. I just didn't think about it until it happened on this side too.
Other then the less then 1/8" difference on the back end of the panels, (why only there I don't know) the rest of everything came out perfect.

Fortunately it created a low spot in the panel seam. :D

I'll get some pics later to show
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Post by: daminc on October 29, 2008, 06:23:37 PM
So here's the weird dip in the panel.
Not sure how or why it did that. but at least it's in and not popping out.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4602.jpg)

here's the seam near the top.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4603.jpg)

I guess I'm going to roll with that and fill it. It's more then I usually like to fill, but I guess it could be worse.


Here's the work from today. I found that a socket fits perfect in the holes to line up the panels.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4604.jpg)

Got that welded up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4608.jpg)

welded the trunk well.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4605.jpg)

See, I told everyone there's some paint under the back end.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4606.jpg)

started welding the inside flange of the wheel well.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4612.jpg)

All that needs to be done to finish the quarter panel is finish welding the wheel flanges, weld the quarter to the rocker inside the car. and put some extra welds inside the well joint.
then it can be seam sealed and primed.
The body part of the show is coming to an end.
After the 1/4 panel, I can close up the underside of the rocker
That's today for you. see you next time.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on October 29, 2008, 07:04:54 PM
Wow cool that was an exciting episode. Ugh now theres nothing on TV nothing but infomercials. Oh well LOL new episode will be here before too long! :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 29, 2008, 09:22:57 PM
You need to learn to hack into the satellites for TV. That'll keep you busy for a while
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Post by: ZondaC12 on October 29, 2008, 10:17:01 PM
Yea in all seriousness I have way too much time on my hands. With summer gone and all the shows and cruises done and even the late night weekend lot hangout withering on the vine...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 29, 2008, 10:32:45 PM
Come down and finish my car. It's only a 9 hr drive. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: hirax on October 30, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: daminc;240912
So here's the weird dip in the panel.
Not sure how or why it did that. but at least it's in and not popping out.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4602.jpg)

I guess it maybe caused by heating stress of welding.
Maybe you did your weldings too long distance continuously and metal was overheated.
But strange thing is that usually sheet will expand outward.
Maybe this caused because you use backing strip to weld panels. When it cools down after welding it will constringe and bends sheet down.
Of course now is too late and I am sorry if you already know this and did it this way, but I would like quote Randy Ferguson (http://www.fergusoncoachbuilding.com/):
Quote
You have to weld thin gauge sheetmetal much differently than you would heavier plate, even in the 1/8" range. You must weld a series of spot welds, with each one overlapping the last. I try to overlap by a 1/3 to 1/2 on each successive weld. You will also need to stop at regular intervals (not more than an inch) and stretch that area out before moving on, otherwise, it will have more distortion than you care to deal with.
You start by placing tack welds at 1" intervals to keep the two pieces in good alignment. (I'm only assuming you're butt welding, at this point.) You can then start the welding process. I prefer to start in the center of the seam and work out both directions toward the edge. You must stop and work the weld as you go though. To best do this, a 1/16" cut-off wheel works great for knocking down the proud weld bead. You want to leave just a tiny amount of weld above the surface, because you're going to work this down some as you hammer the weld to stretch the metal back out. You only work within the Heat Affected Zone or HAZ as we often refer to. This is the blued area around the weld. Do not leave the area when stretching a weld. Even though the surrounding area is distorted, it is still unharmed. It's just sucked in down some when the metal shrunk along the HAZ. It will pop right back into place when you stretch the weld seam. You stretch it by hammering on dolly, in other words, you place a dolly on the backside of your weld and hit it with a hammer, making sure your hammer blows are against the dolly (or post dolly if you have one) This will rapidly stretch the area drawn in by the heat and relieve the panel of the stress caused by the heat, removing the warpage. You can now add another series of adjoining spots and continue the process, jumping back and forth from side to side, working ever closer to the edges of the panel until finished. Once you've gotten the weld completed, you can go back and fine tune the weld seam work the panel with a slapper and dolly, producing a very smooth panel. I prefer to use a file to work down the final few thousandths of proud weld, rather than a grinder that will remove too much material. A shrinking disc will come in real handy too, to shrink any areas that you overstretch.
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Post by: daminc on October 31, 2008, 06:38:10 AM
I believe it's the problem of having to many panels sandwiched together. It was taking that shape before it was welded. I also had it pushed out with some supports. If you remember way back in this thread, I think I mentioned that the panels were stamped with crisper body lines then mine, and they also measured slightly different between the 2 panels.
So I"m going to sum it up with.... You can only do so much, when you have 2 panels that don't match exactly.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on October 31, 2008, 07:57:11 AM
You can  probably get a brand new panel for the car and it wouldn't match. It's just the way it is.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on October 31, 2008, 01:05:54 PM
That's true, You could get an entire replacement panel, and it probably wouldn't line up exactly like the old one. Don't forget these new doors lined up different then my old ones too, even before I cut the quarter off. I can't wait to see the problems with the fenders and new hood.

Hey Vinnie, Did your doors and fenders fit and line up like the old ones did?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on October 31, 2008, 04:22:42 PM
I know your a perfectionist, but you can only work with what you got. Your beyond what I just said.It will work out.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 02, 2008, 12:53:30 PM
I wish you could help me out...
I need a rear quarter for my new mark, and im dreading it, but I think its gonna end up fiberglass again just because I dont have the tools or adequate welder.
looking great!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 02, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: daminc;241086
Hey Vinnie, Did your doors and fenders fit and line up like the old ones did?

I dunno about Vinnie, but I replaced almost everything forward of the windshield on my car, and it took quite a bit of work to get the 87 TC fender and 88 T-Bird door to line up. The fender off the 87 TC parts car actually had a different curve to it (it bowed out more). After bolting it on and removing it a few times (no amount of adjusting or shims made a difference - I'd hold it in place, tighten the bolts, and as soon as I let go it'd spring back to the wrong shape) I ended up permanently un-bowing it the simplest way I could think of. I sat on it. I took it off the car, sat it on the shop floor, and sat on it, right at the top of the wheel opening. I obviously didn't put my whole weight on it (it would have flattened), but it worked.

The header panel-to-fender fitment was similar (remarkable, since the fender and header panel came from the same car), but there were enough bolt holes that I managed to "force" the fender to take the correct shape.

After all that, the hood actually went on easily. I only had to adjust fore/aft a bit, and I had to adjust the height at the rear using the stops on the hinges.
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Post by: daminc on November 02, 2008, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: daboss351;241285
I wish you could help me out...
I need a rear quarter for my new mark, and im dreading it, but I think its gonna end up fiberglass again just because I dont have the tools or adequate welder.
looking great!!


I wish I could help you out.
Take some good close ups and we'll see the best way to fix what you got.
I thought you had a welder now?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 02, 2008, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;241314
I dunno about Vinnie, but I replaced almost everything forward of the windshield on my car, and it took quite a bit of work to get the 87 TC fender and 88 T-Bird door to line up. The fender off the 87 TC parts car actually had a different curve to it (it bowed out more). After bolting it on and removing it a few times (no amount of adjusting or shims made a difference - I'd hold it in place, tighten the bolts, and as soon as I let go it'd spring back to the wrong shape) I ended up permanently un-bowing it the simplest way I could think of. I sat on it. I took it off the car, sat it on the shop floor, and sat on it, right at the top of the wheel opening. I obviously didn't put my whole weight on it (it would have flattened), but it worked.

The header panel-to-fender fitment was similar (remarkable, since the fender and header panel came from the same car), but there were enough bolt holes that I managed to "force" the fender to take the correct shape.

After all that, the hood actually went on easily. I only had to adjust fore/aft a bit, and I had to adjust the height at the rear using the stops on the hinges.


I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with panel issues. (Not that I'm glad you had a problem... You know what I mean.)
I always hear about everyone else putting different parts on there cars, but no one has ever said if the parts lined up correctly, of if they had any problems with them.

Does anyone know where the panels where actually stamped, or how many different places made them? Now I'm just curious as to why the panels have different shapes, because now I'm pretty sure that was my problem.
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Post by: daminc on November 02, 2008, 04:52:08 PM
Project update:
I didn't finish the welding on the quarter panel.
The weather was nice so I decided to epoxy paint the floor in the middle bay. I'm not going through the wet concrete floor problem anymore. Tomorrow I'll put a second coat on it. (pics of it tomorrow)
Meanwhile, The rest of the week I'm going to get the car ready to pull the motor on this coming Saturday. It's the only weekend I'll have enough time to do it for a couple of months, and it needs to be done to keep the project going.
The car will be moved into the middle bay that I just epoxied when the motor comes out.
So not a lot to show right now. but there should be some spectacular pics next week. Probably of more rust. LOL
I'm sure everyone is sick to death by now of the quarter panel/ rocker episode. I know I am. LOL

I'll keep everyone updated as the week goes on.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 02, 2008, 06:07:37 PM
Hey Vinnie, Did your doors and fenders fit and line up like the old ones did?[/QUOTE]

I have doors and front fenders from an '88 LX,header panel from an '87 TC,front bumper cover from an '88 TC,rear bumper cover from an '87 TC.Everything lined up great.No issues.The body lines are nice and matching up fine,the fenders were super easy to line up,although I did have to use a couple of extra spacers that the Sport didn't use with it's own fenders.No big deal.I hate filling and sanding it all though.That sucks.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 02, 2008, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: daminc;241317
I wish I could help you out.
Take some good close ups and we'll see the best way to fix what you got.
I thought you had a welder now?


I do but it blows through sheet metal like no tomorrow
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 03, 2008, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: daboss351;241360
I do but it blows through sheet metal like no tomorrow


Even on the lowest setting?
Try plugging it into a long ext. cord to cut down the power.



I finished up the welding on the quarter panel today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4622.jpg)

Here's the outside of the wheel well
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4624.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4625.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4629.jpg)

And the inside
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4626.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4628.jpg)

Here's looking down into the 1/4 panel where it meets the rocker.
Talk about welding blind. I had to feel for the holes with the wire to start the weld. I guess I need to clean that out a little better. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20Pass%20side%20rebuild/rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_4627.jpg)

And as I promised, the garage floor epoxy.
1 section down, 2 to go. Thinking about painting a big cougar (like my emblems)  in the center, in light gray.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4623.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4630.jpg)

All that's left on this side is, welding on a new rocker bottom.
That'll probably have to be done after the motor comes out this weekend.
Until next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on November 03, 2008, 07:20:14 PM
Jerry, You have enough space there to paint the Word "Cougar" also. :poke:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on November 03, 2008, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: daminc;241504
Thinking about painting a big cougar (like my emblems) in the center, in light gray.

 
First of all...looks great!!! Gotta love spills comin right up :D
 
Second of all......
 
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 03, 2008, 11:38:50 PM
Quote from: daboss351;241360
I do but it blows through sheet metal like no tomorrow


then your welder does not have a "low" / "high" setting or current selector.

the onlything i coud add is to lower your wire speed and suck up the splatter as it happens, you just have to clean up / chip / wire brush more often.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 03, 2008, 11:45:39 PM
So what are your thoughts about this tack welder for duplicating the types of welds that you drilled out formed in from the factory?

Im considering picking this up just for sheet metal.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45690

this would have been very useful for a large bulk of your welds i would think and would'nt it reduce clean up on the burnt metal as well?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 04, 2008, 12:06:37 AM
They're great for smaller projects and a lot of flat work.
I used to use one in high school metal shop (a long, long time ago) making tool boxes.
I could have used one for parts of my car too. It would have worked great on the bottom 1/4 panel lip of my trunk well, and also the inside wheel well flanges that I just welded. Mabe the next car.
I believe a company also makes an arc welded attachment.
here's one from Eastwood. (not sure how well these work though)
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1227&itemType=PRODUCT (http://"http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1227&itemType=PRODUCT")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on November 04, 2008, 08:34:53 PM
I've been looking at that welder as well.  But I'm still holding out for a 2 probe resistance welder.  2 welds at a time and anywhere you can fit your hands....yea.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 04, 2008, 09:07:59 PM
Quote from: daminc;241568
They're great for smaller projects and a lot of flat work.
I used to use one in high school metal shop (a long, long time ago) making tool boxes.
I could have used one for parts of my car too. It would have worked great on the bottom 1/4 panel lip of my trunk well, and also the inside wheel well flanges that I just welded. Mabe the next car.
I believe a company also makes an arc welded attachment.
here's one from Eastwood. (not sure how well these work though)
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1227&itemType=PRODUCT (http://"http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1227&itemType=PRODUCT")


whooo,, now i like that and 60A is well within range of back to back sheet metal. The welder i posted is purdy darn big.  The pic is misleading cause it looks like a bear to handle.  It does do the job though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 04, 2008, 09:21:12 PM
If I had an arc welder, I would have bought one.
I guess it's another reason to buy another welder.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on November 04, 2008, 09:58:02 PM
I was never a fan of those spot welders.... id rather plugweld it like youve been doing... personally i feel that they are stronger, but slightly heavier obviously... cars coming along great! cant wait to see this secret stuff... Oh I came up with a name for my cougar project..... It will be callled........ THUNDERCAT ELIMINATOR XR7.5.. Instead of the normal cougar logos and emblems.. it will have the cartoon version of the cat symbol airbrushed on there...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on November 04, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
2 probe welder, was what I said, but I meant a Panel Spotter.  Lencospot Mark II is one example.  They also work like a stud gun, but are more capable of fitting into tight spots.  There's really no excess weld to grind down like a MIG welder will leave behind.  Not for structural panels, but as a compliment to any arc and MIG welder it sure would be nice to have.  Oh, and they also have a rivet tip for putting on those molding rivets for trim.  http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lnxl4000.html
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 04, 2008, 10:20:27 PM
Ahh yes, the secret stuff.....
 Some of it is still in the blueprint stages right now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 04, 2008, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: HAVI;241703
2 probe welder, was what I said, but I meant a Panel Spotter.  Lencospot Mark II is one example.  They also work like a stud gun, but are more capable of fitting into tight spots.  There's really no excess weld to grind down like a MIG welder will leave behind.  Not for structural panels, but as a compliment to any arc and MIG welder it sure would be nice to have.  Oh, and they also have a rivet tip for putting on those molding rivets for trim.  http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/lnxl4000.html


Those are still a little pricey. (for just a hobby) ;)

I have found that if you get a mig at a hot enough setting, you can blow a hole through the first layer of sheetmetal and it will weld to the next if you pull back. but it's easier to punch holes first.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on November 04, 2008, 10:42:10 PM
Oh no another person with a secret.. the best secret kept are the ones where people aren't even aware of the idea of a secret, so you might as well just tell us what it is ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 04, 2008, 10:49:44 PM
You'd like that, wouldn't you.
I need to locate a part first. It's coming
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 08, 2008, 05:39:00 PM
So after a long week of working, it was time to do the nasty.
Here's some random before pics.
I just cut the exhaust off. Don't need it anymore.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4632.jpg)

Quick view of where the new frame meets and can be welded with everything out of the way. The white spots are salt.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4633.jpg)

A shot before the drive shaft was removed.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4634.jpg)

The car coming down.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4635.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4636.jpg)

removal has begun.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4637.jpg)

A few shots before it came out.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4638.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4639.jpg)

My camera died in mid removal.
here's the after.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4640.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4645.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4641.jpg)

I'm pretty impressed with the condition of the front end.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4642.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4643.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4644.jpg)

This needs to be replaced.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4646.jpg)

That's all for today. Now the fun can start. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on November 08, 2008, 09:48:13 PM
Well it looks better than I thought it would up front:hick:  I'm suprised that there are no holes in the frame rails. Looks like the fun can start now ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 08, 2008, 10:40:29 PM
do yourself a favor and replace the rack as well as hoses. Napa carries the high and low pres lines.  The inner nuckle is adjustable as well,,wrote about the two different knuckles i have found in my diy link.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 08, 2008, 10:59:34 PM
I plan on re-doing everything I can. The hoses are all cut off.
I did save all the wiring harnesses in case someone needs them.
Also goes for any parts off the motor itself. If someone needs anything for a T-bodied 3.8. let me know.
The AOD is mine

You can also see that I cut the crossmember too it was rotted and I'm probably going to make my own
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 09, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
So I moved the car over today and started getting it ready for media blasting and paint removal. I put it on the other side because the lighting is better.

First things first. Need to protect the glass
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4661.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4648.jpg)

Removed the bumper, it wasn't pretty. I'll be needing new bolts and clips there.
this entire back area will be blasted. The underneath will also be blasted as soon as the tank comes down.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4650.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4651.jpg)

Here's some more shots of the condition of the front end.
Here's the holes on both sides, above the frame.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4660.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4659.jpg)

Here's some pics of the tunnel, and where the floor was repaired from the inside.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4658.jpg)

This side still needs to be finished
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4657.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4656.jpg)

A shot of where finished meet unfinished.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4653.jpg)

Here's an upward view.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4652.jpg)

I have to be honest. I was really worried about the condition of the front end, until the motor came out. I think it's going to be OK.
It looks as though the hard part of the project is now done.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: SR71TC on November 09, 2008, 06:30:20 PM
IMO, I would blast each suspension part including the K member and POR-15 all of it. Then install new bushings and hardware.

Jason
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 10, 2008, 07:26:12 AM
Quote from: SR71TC;242348
IMO, I would blast each suspension part including the K member and POR-15 all of it. Then install new bushings and hardware.

Jason


It's like you read my mind, except for the Por-15. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on November 10, 2008, 05:40:25 PM
Ah so you did have strut tower holes. Figures :hick:


Just make sure you pull the wifes Town Car out before you blast the Cougar ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 10, 2008, 06:04:24 PM
I would actually call them holes behind the towers. the tower themselves are fine.

Here's today's adventure.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4662.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4664.jpg)

Someone did a little repair, I guess you can call it.
many years ago, around 95, I had my tank replaced.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4665.jpg)

Hey look, paint
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4663.jpg)

So I made myself a little blasting room.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4666.jpg)

And then stopped slackin and went to work..
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4667.jpg)

That's it for today.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on November 11, 2008, 05:28:08 PM
Nows a good time to take care of the brake lines to.
Was your firt born created in that car or something? that your goin through all this.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 11, 2008, 08:50:36 PM
Wow,that's insane.You'll have to keep this car FOREVER.I thought I put a ton of work into my Sport.Nothing compared to yours.You RAWK !!!! I spent about an hour sanding and applying a little filler on the Sport.More tomorrow after work.I really need to post pics.You're doing great Jeddy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 11, 2008, 09:16:41 PM
Vinnie, I honestly don't spend a lot of time on the car. yesterday was only an hour at most. most of the work I do is usually and hour after I work.  Pull out those air tools you'll do a lot of work in a very short time.

kitz, I plan on doing all the lines that need it front to back, including E-brake. And no, no one was created in the car, (not that I know about) The 80s were a wild time for me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 11, 2008, 09:23:36 PM
how's it feel to find out what you paid for years ago was repaired like that and you wasnt told,,ie-gas tank.

Hows that blasting working out in your opinion?  Also, are you using a gun that shoots any media?  Ive often thought about doing drop plastic like that and when I run out of media, i can just bunch up the plastic on the floor to collect it all back up again for reuse.

Nice work, it becomes a part of your life after doing it as long as you have.  Ive never taken a car to parade rest like this, lucky for you its just another ride in the park.  For me, i would be insane trying to get too much done too quickly.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 11, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: jcassity;242639
how's it feel to find out what you paid for years ago was repaired like that and you wasnt told,,ie-gas tank.

Hows that blasting working out in your opinion?  Also, are you using a gun that shoots any media?  Ive often thought about doing drop plastic like that and when I run out of media, i can just bunch up the plastic on the floor to collect it all back up again for reuse.

Nice work, it becomes a part of your life after doing it as long as you have.  Ive never taken a car to parade rest like this, lucky for you its just another ride in the park.  For me, i would be insane trying to get too much done too quickly.


I kinda expected that. The same guy turned up my idle instead of replacing the TPS, and in turn overheated my car which in turn caused head gasket failure and a blown radiator, All because I didn't have time to fix the TPS myself.

The blasting is great, I'm using black beauty slag at the moment. I noticed it doesn't get into the pitting as good as aluminum oxide.
I may have to change back, although the slag is a lot cheaper. I also collect it up and sift it through a screen. It lasts a long time doing it like that.
I've got a $18 bucket blaster and a gravity feed siphon blaster, they both use any media, and they both work about equal in comparison
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 11, 2008, 10:09:05 PM
Air tools..............aaaaaaah yes....I keep for getting about those.You'll be happy to know that they will be out soon so I can install my new strut bushing assemblies,and install the spare differential soon as well.Pics of that stuff when it happens.I am like you as far as spending time with the sport,an hour here,an hour there.I figure every hour I'm sanding or whatever is still an hour closer to finishing.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 11, 2008, 10:17:46 PM
Well, just my opinion but from what I noticed, play sand works in the pits. the regular pool or beach sand is a little too big where as the play sand is super tiny particles.

I dont know much about sand but ill bet its graded like gravel sizes and such.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 11, 2008, 10:27:16 PM
If you use play sand, you need to use a supplied breathing system.
That silica dust will take 20-30 years off your life.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 11, 2008, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;242649
Air tools..............aaaaaaah yes....I keep for getting about those.You'll be happy to know that they will be out soon so I can install my new strut bushing assemblies,and install the spare differential soon as well.Pics of that stuff when it happens.I am like you as far as spending time with the sport,an hour here,an hour there.I figure every hour I'm sanding or whatever is still an hour closer to finishing.


Yep, sometimes I get a lot of hours free being self employed. Sometimes I don't get any for a month or 2.
Fortunately winter time has more hours free then summer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 12, 2008, 12:22:54 AM
yeah, i wouldnt blast without a 3m mask.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 12, 2008, 12:25:37 AM
Holly crap,, i just remembered.

Product sold at lowes in the paint department.  Its a spray on paint remover made by "Jasco".  I gotta dig up one of my old threads where i used it. 

I found out by accident that not only did it remove paint but it also removed corrosion.  In place of the corroded area, it left behind black discoloration where it ate away the rust.  I was totally amazed at its perfromance.  To beat all, its fast acting.

ahh,,,
here is the link.
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=8960&page=2&highlight=jasco
I gotta see if i have a pic of the product in my engine swap thread.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ipsd on November 12, 2008, 02:02:17 AM
Quote from: jcassity;242661
yeah, i wouldnt blast without a 3m mask.

You had better read the back of the package the mask came in not very many protect you from silica.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 12, 2008, 06:39:44 AM
We have particulate masks at work that protect you from the tiniest trash.I'll see if I can grab you a box Jeddy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 12, 2008, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;242675
We have particulate masks at work that protect you from the tiniest trash.I'll see if I can grab you a box Jeddy.


Cool, although I don't use actual sand for blasting and I always use a mask under my hood. There's also dust around doing bodywork, grinding and sanding that I'm going to do a lot of right now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 13, 2008, 06:56:25 PM
Small update today
Started to get rid of the rust and paint on the back end today.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4673.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4674.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4668.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on November 13, 2008, 07:14:20 PM
Isn't this like evolution 2 and 3 now!!, just kiddin buddy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 13, 2008, 09:33:19 PM
It's an evolution revolution (Only someone my age or slightly older will understand that).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 13, 2008, 10:40:36 PM
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/lancebanner.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 14, 2008, 08:04:22 AM
Here are some pics I found on the first day that I decided to fix my car. I'm not sure what I was thinking. but it should have been "RUN NOW". That was one year ago today
Here's what I saw after I took it apart.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2845.jpg)

This is one of the first pics I ever posted
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2846.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2847.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2848.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2849.jpg)

This may be the only pic that I have of my car before it became the Flintstone car. This is right before the interior came out.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2844.jpg)

And it just got worse from the start
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2850.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2852.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/1st%20day/IMG_2851.jpg)

I think that's all the pics that I have of the car before it became what it is now. Still looking for the original pics of her when I first brought it home, but I think they're long gone.

Enjoy
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 14, 2008, 08:50:37 AM
pop those filter screens out of the cowl near the wiper arms ,check and see if you have a water leak in there.  that one pic of the driver floor board seems to show a corrosion path up over the trans tunnel / fire wall weld.
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Post by: baxo on November 14, 2008, 10:22:35 AM
Wow man you have come a long way in a year! it's awesome to see the progress on pics, but even more awesome to see in person! Keep it up man
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Post by: daminc on November 14, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: jcassity;243034
pop those filter screens out of the cowl near the wiper arms ,check and see if you have a water leak in there.  that one pic of the driver floor board seems to show a corrosion path up over the trans tunnel / fire wall weld.


I've noticed that before.
It's on my things to do list when I blast the front. ;)
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 14, 2008, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: daminc;242995
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/lancebanner.jpg)


Wow.......I'm impressed !!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 15, 2008, 08:52:11 AM
Quote from: baxo;243044
Wow man you have come a long way in a year! it's awesome to see the progress on pics, but even more awesome to see in person! Keep it up man


If you keep coming over to see it, I'll have to put some tools in your hands and you can help. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 15, 2008, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;243066
Wow.......I'm impressed !!!!


I'll bet I was more impressed with myself actually remembering something from 1968. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 15, 2008, 09:04:31 AM
Aaaaaah the good old days.I'm not old,but I'm not as young as I used to be.Luckily,I still have my real hair and all my teeth (minus two wisdom teeth),and can still run circles around any of our kids.I'd like to go back to the early 80's knowing what I know now.CHA-CHING !!!!!!!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on November 15, 2008, 09:08:47 PM
Wow a year already? You need to hurry up ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 16, 2008, 10:01:03 AM
How's it going? Any progress gonna happen today? I'm going out in an hour or so to get crack-a-lackin' on the Sport.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 16, 2008, 10:17:58 AM
There's always progress, but sometimes it's not noticable in pics, until something looks totally different. It's probably going to be that way for a while. I'm not sure anyone want's to see a pic of 6 more inches of paint removed from a panel. It'll pretty much look like the last pic, just a little less paint. LOL

If everyone is into the step by step pics, I'll gladly post them as I strip the car. But I don't want to bore anyone either.
It's up to everyone on that. Let me know if I should or not, because I do have some after the last batch
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on November 16, 2008, 10:26:55 AM
I just want see it done, I'm sure you would to.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 16, 2008, 10:30:27 AM
I love this thread.It makes me see how puny my car's bodywork needs really are. LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 16, 2008, 05:21:00 PM
looking great man!!
Makes me almost wanna tackle my body work now...
Nahhhhhh
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 16, 2008, 05:21:29 PM
looking great man!!
Makes me almost wanna tackle my body work now...
Nahhhhhh
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 16, 2008, 06:09:12 PM
Well, I didn't get any reaction from the earlier post, so I guess I'll keep updating as I go.
Heres another pic like the last, with less paint on it. LOL
Makes that seam a litter harder to see with no paint around it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4675.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4676.jpg)

I thought I would have time today but ended up painting the house before the holidays.
There wasn't much progress in the last pics. I was testing out my bodywork tools that I've had since I was 18. Looks like everything is still in working order. also had to relocate my water separator farther from the compressor.
Let the stripping begin
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 16, 2008, 08:20:49 PM
no reaction my ass,,
Me and the boys look forward to this thread.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on November 16, 2008, 08:37:16 PM
I look forward to looking in this thread too! I cant belive the spots that you have rust in........especially that one area above the taillight in the above pic... looks rough..
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on November 18, 2008, 09:08:35 PM
Looks like you're missing part of the rear quarter near the deck lid;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 19, 2008, 05:26:26 PM
I'm cutting it off and welding a new section on. The back tip is the same on birds, so I'll use the rest of the quarter panel for that.
I can just imagine the rust I'm going to find under the paint.
I found a little so far.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 20, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Here it is. the very back end is the same if you tip it.
If it doesn't work, I'll just make my own.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3445.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on November 20, 2008, 03:01:45 PM
I bet you're going to have to make your own. ;)  You can handle it though. How's the rest of the under body looking as far as panel replacement goes?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 20, 2008, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;244021
I bet you're going to have to make your own. ;)  You can handle it though. How's the rest of the under body looking as far as panel replacement goes?


The rest is looking great.
I started blasting the first scaly rust layer off.
Here's some pics after an hour and a half of blasting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4678.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4683.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4681.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4680.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4679.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4678.jpg)

I'll be cutting off the tank brackets and make new ones.
there's a little swiss cheese around the brackets that also needs fixing. so I'll weld on new metal so the brackets are nice and strong.
other than that, there's nothing to serious to fix under here.
The next pass should get rid of the rust.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 20, 2008, 08:58:06 PM
o mine next mine next!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 20, 2008, 08:59:31 PM
do you need a brand new gas tank and straps?? I need cash like no tomorrow, and have a new tank/straps under the blue car...(same as bird cougar)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 20, 2008, 09:29:47 PM
My tank is good and I was going to make new straps, sorry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 21, 2008, 05:01:28 PM
Crap, looks like I need another pass
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4689.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4690.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 21, 2008, 05:36:57 PM
Oh well,you have plenty of time.The masks are going out Monday.I have been so distracted by body work (I'm actually enjoying it) that I forgot to mail them,and 4 Ebay packages.I hope I don't get negative feedback from those folks.Good work on the Cat so far.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 22, 2008, 08:52:42 AM
Yea I know, I have all winter.
BUT, It would be great to have the bodywork done, and everything ready to paint come early spring.
This part, up in and around the trunk well, is probably the worst and hardest part to get to. Lots of small spaces.

Thanks for the masks, I'll look for there arrival around the holiday
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 22, 2008, 04:10:36 PM
Eh its not a problem
I figured id offer to you, other wise its gonna go in my new mark with a bigger pump
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 22, 2008, 05:49:04 PM
So I blasted for a better part of the day. I and it just isn't looking any better. Most of the areas, I can't get close enough to get the rust off. and the rest, It just won't come off any more then it already has.
Looks like I'm gonna have to convert the rest of the rust, and seal it with rust coating.
Here's what I ended up with.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4694.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4695.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4696.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4697.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4698.jpg)

And for those of you who require a little progress in their pics.............
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4702.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4700.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4699.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: BEARMAX on November 22, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
yea looks alot like what i did with the vert it is hard to get i some areas...so thats what i did was use aspho to netrulize the rust i then coated it with pour 15  and then i rino lined every thing...turned out great
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Post by: baxo on November 22, 2008, 08:31:38 PM
Hmm.. that's a lot of exposed metal, hopefully you coated it :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 22, 2008, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: baxo;244342
Hmm.. that's a lot of exposed metal, hopefully you coated it :D


Coated it?





LOL
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Post by: james cassity on November 22, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
I use the 3m (chemical / biological) filters on my mask.  Im not sure why everyone siad the 3m masks were not good enough, i have lots of sealed filters that you screw on each side of the mask.  Maybe you guys thought I was talking about dust masks.  I like this kind of work you doing.  The blasting part is where all the good detailed quality comes in so the primer has its fullest effect.

thanks for the latest porn,, :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 23, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
I use the same filtered masks for the bad stuff, and the lighter duty face masks for the body work.

That rust treatment paint (zero rust in my case) will grab onto just about anything that doesn't flake off. I treated everything yesterday with picklex. Bare metal and anything that still has some surface rust.
That quarter panel will stay looking like that for a long time without rusting. (about a year) I just need to scuff it before I prime it or do filling.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 24, 2008, 02:16:30 AM
That Picklex stuff is good, I just google'd it.
Never knew it was enviro friendly although you probably said so somewhere.

cost?
found at?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 24, 2008, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: jcassity;244517
That Picklex stuff is good, I just google'd it.
Never knew it was enviro friendly although you probably said so somewhere.

cost?
found at?


Here's where I usually buy most of my stuff. Sometimes I can find better deals elsewhere, but this is almost always the cheapest place.
I also belong to this forum too. As they say, it's my home away from home. I always double check with the collision pros before I rip into anything. ;)

Picklex is very good and safe to use. It's a little pricey at $32 a pint, but I just started using my 2nd pint the other day on the body panels. A couple small spritz's and a scuff pad did the entire quarter. Just work it in, and wipe the extra residue off with a paper towel. One pint would probably do a normal job though
http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=RCAC (http://"http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=RCAC")
It will convert rust, and keep bare metal from flash rusting from moisture in the air. But it will rust if it's in contact with rain and snow.

Zero-Rust is on the same page. Definitely the cheapest place to find it to. I did find it cheaper by $2 once, but that place is gone now. But $52 for a gallon of black is well worth what the product does. Right now I have used just under 2 quarts on my car. It's sprayable, brushable, and paint roller friendly. doesn't need to be activated and doesn't stink to high hell.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 24, 2008, 09:36:15 AM
Yeah I mean that all looks good really. All the loose crap is gone...looks good and solid anyway...I mean if blasting wont rip it off...lol aint goin anywhere so that encapsulator stuff oughta be great.
 
And that shot of the back corner looks nice...mmm fresh steel :cool:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 24, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
wanna fix my car? I need a plate for my upper front bag mount... its rusted out
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 24, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
Quote from: daboss351;244565
wanna fix my car? I need a plate for my upper front bag mount... its rusted out


Sorry, there's already someone in front of you. :D

A little progress today.
Things are still moving along
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4706.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4707.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4709.jpg)

and just in case you were wondering how those silly cap strips came off.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4710.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4711.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on November 24, 2008, 06:05:25 PM
You know you can barely see where you welded the 1/4 on, but I felt it!! it's good.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 24, 2008, 06:46:57 PM
Sweet work.I had those cap strips off of the blue car.It took me a little while to figure that out.I thought they were stuck on.I wish they were.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 25, 2008, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;244586
You know you can barely see where you welded the 1/4 on, but I felt it!! it's good.


It looks a lot better without all the colors around the seam high lighting it. It's hardly noticable when you run your hand over it after I stripped all the coats of paint off. I'll probably only need a quart of filler on the entire car.

So the plan is.. To strip the entire car, do my filling, then epoxy all the body panels. Then I'll start blocking the car flat and smooth.
I'm also going to finish the blasting from back to front, replacing and repairing whatever I find along the way. This should keep me out of trouble for the winter.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 25, 2008, 05:54:48 PM
So I decided to keep on stripping the car, and this is what I found.
hmmmmmmm.....
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4731.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4732.jpg)

So I thought it was just a small bit of filling around the handle......
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4735.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4737.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4738.jpg)

Guessing the doors were stripped, skimmed, and blocked at one point.
I thought The doors had a little wave to them in the shop lights. And also sounded a little dead when I tapped on them.
The big question now, is leave it, or strip it bare again.

Checked the other door to make sure it wasn't just on one door.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4733.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 25, 2008, 06:11:30 PM
My doors were like that as well when I was sanding them.I'm guessing that was from the factory.You're really doing great.For a while,it started feeling like a dreaded job-now I'm excited and enjoying every minute of it.I think after nearly two years,I was getting a little burnt out.I have my second wind.I'm working on the Sport tomorrow.It should be ready by tomorrow after lunch,before supper.Now,I need $200.00 more for the paint job.I had to spend a little of the paint funds.No big deal.I'll sell some more parts and my Cobra Mustang computer (which will bring a few bucks I hope).As far as filler,I don't think I used but about half a quart on the car,if that.I didn't have a bunch of welded panels either,though.Keep it up Jeddy.
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Post by: baxo on November 25, 2008, 09:02:17 PM
Oh shit man that's not a good surprise :( Damn..  I would strip it.. see how bad it is and maybe find another door.. You've been doing such a good job with this, i doubt you'd feel right having so much filler on your car that you didn't put there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on November 25, 2008, 09:04:57 PM
and on top of that, how old is the filler already?  older filler will be destined to crack before the rest of the car is ready to be put down.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 25, 2008, 09:18:34 PM
I know the doors were in storage for about 6 years
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on November 25, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
What about Vinnie's comment, that the filler may be from the factory? Either way, I think you're doing the right thing by stripping the doors. You need to have them bare and see what you're up against.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 25, 2008, 09:37:56 PM
I can't see ford going through all that on a set of doors unless they got damaged after they left the factory. there's small spots of dark gray primer under the fill. they were definitely stripped and redone at some point. there are no dents or creases looking on the inside of the panel. they were also undercoated inside the doors
Either way, it's got to go.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 26, 2008, 10:25:31 PM
I'm definitely going to strip it down to bare metal.
As far as I know, there may not be any filling except for that handle area. The yellow, I was told is probably Dupont URO prime. A high build primer/filler. So It's out of here, and I'll cross my fingers that the doors are OK. I should be able to attack that this weekend to find out.
Just thought I would update my plans for the doors.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 26, 2008, 11:16:33 PM
As I stated,both of my replacement doors were the same way.They were original paint.......for now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 27, 2008, 08:05:33 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;244902
As I stated,both of my replacement doors were the same way.They were original paint.......for now.


Let's see...
I thought mine had original paint too.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on November 27, 2008, 08:50:24 AM
Iv'e seen that yellow coating on a few 80's ford panels, I'm pretty sure thats a factory thing. If its only a little putty may of been damaged in delivery or on the lot, seen that a few times.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on November 27, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
my 88 linc had that as well on some panels
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 27, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: baxo;244758
Oh shit man that's not a good surprise :( Damn..  I would strip it.. see how bad it is and maybe find another door.. You've been doing such a good job with this, i doubt you'd feel right having so much filler on your car that you didn't put there.


No,,
leave it go.

As you move down on the lower part of the door , the rock guard layer will get more thick.

Its been on 4 doors that ive cut on and from the inside, they have never had signs of collision or rust.
I would surface sand and work from there.  Your just tearing down an already good layer of metal protection as it is.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 27, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
Well I already found filler and traces of dark grey primer under the coating. there is no chip guard on the door and I would feel better knowing what's under all that. if nothing, It's going to get coated with high build primer again with the rest of the car anyway.
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Post by: james cassity on November 27, 2008, 09:39:39 PM
you found nothing of a thicker nature on the lower part of the door below the molding?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 27, 2008, 09:49:45 PM
Nope, no chip guard on the doors, and a bunch of filler around the handle, so far.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 28, 2008, 05:41:15 PM
It's not original paint. I took my DA to it, and what do you know, another layer of blue paint with red primer like the rest of the car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4755.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4753.jpg)

So I stripped it off, because there would be way to much paint on the doors after I got done painting it again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4756.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4757.jpg)

So after all that, there's only a couple little door dings. Not bad for 20 year old doors. I'll keep stripping the car as time allows.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on November 28, 2008, 07:01:37 PM
Damn.. haha that turned out better under there than I expected. You lucked out!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 28, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
LOL
I didn't see anything bad on the backside before I started.
I figured there were just a couple dings.

So now I'm looking at the door wondering if I want to keep the handles.
Anybody know of a good shaved handle kit at a fairly cheap price?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 28, 2008, 08:03:13 PM
How about door handles from a newer car?More flush mount.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 28, 2008, 08:19:55 PM
Like the newer Lincoln handles?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on November 28, 2008, 08:27:28 PM
Lincoln,Honda,whatever.Just something smooth and flush.I personally have always thought that smoothed doors (No handles at all) took away from the "details" of the car.Too much flat space with nothing there.My own opinion of course.My taste differs from others.....a lot !!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 29, 2008, 05:24:59 PM
I'm thinking I'll keep the handles. Mabe not the original type of handles, but there will be handles.

Took some more apart today, and packaged everything up so it won't get damaged.
Removed the rest of the pass. side glass and weather stripping.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4763.jpg)

 and trunk lid and back window moulding
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4762.jpg)

It's going to need a little work.
Looks like I may have to rebuild the rebuild.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4761.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4760.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on November 29, 2008, 05:34:22 PM
Jerry, I prefer to keep door handles myself, but with the Fox style handles these cars have, I've had no luck in keeping them from breaking all the time.  So you may be right in your thinking.  Keep up the good work!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on November 29, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
This car (and project) should be featured in a magazine! Great work, man!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 29, 2008, 09:40:33 PM
Thanks, but I don't know if I would go that far.
And I hope the end product will be worth it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on November 29, 2008, 10:00:43 PM
your trunk is in awsome shape,, where we all normally see rust you have none as in where the hinge is.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 29, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
I rebuilt the entire back from the bodyline down and the inside. If you look close, it doesn't look the same inside to the lip as everyone elses
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on November 30, 2008, 03:45:01 PM
It just sunk in
The trunks rust at the hinges?

I removed a little more paint today.
And Yes, there was chip guard under all that. Now I need to realign the doors again. I took more than an 1/8" of fill and chip guard off the bottom of the door panel.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4769.jpg)

Here's the trunk lid
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4768.jpg)

Here's an old repair. Time to do it the right way
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4770.jpg)

Time to move to the other side.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on December 01, 2008, 01:09:22 AM
Amazing what you find under paint sometimes.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 01, 2008, 09:35:30 AM
so thats the repair you told me about
thats not bad at all!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 01, 2008, 09:40:38 AM
O and btw
your subframe connectors
will fit a mark VII, no mods, since griggs racing tbird subframes fit right in.
Build me a set to buy haha
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 01, 2008, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: daboss351;245582
O and btw
your subframe connectors
will fit a mark VII, no mods, since griggs racing tbird subframes fit right in.
Build me a set to buy haha


You have the plans. ;)
I'm sure shipping would be outrageous. Chuck told me it wasn't pretty to ship those types of things
If you were in driving range it would work.

Yes, that's the quick repair I did 10 years ago. did it in an afternoon.
It was the only part of the car that had rust on it. Who knew my car was a rust time bomb waiting to explode.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 01, 2008, 03:28:53 PM
About shaving, If you do shave something at least do the trunk lock. That way it don't get scratched opening it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 01, 2008, 05:48:05 PM
The trunk lock is the one lock I'd get rid of if I welded....which I don't.I can always use the power release.After paint,and with my NOS locks going on,I need rubber keys.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 01, 2008, 05:54:02 PM
I was looking at that lock and thinking the same thing yesterday.

Couple more pics today
I finished up around the hard to reach areas. Mainly around the windows and upper body line
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4771.jpg)

And started on this
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4772.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4773.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 01, 2008, 05:57:35 PM
I got one of these to sell if anyone is interested
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20to%20sell/IMG_4774.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 01, 2008, 06:00:06 PM
idk i got a h pipe shipped to me for 40 bucks... if they were in peices and I welded them might be cheaper. If I make them im sure ill screw up
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 01, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
Bubba!! you need a dust evacuation system!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 01, 2008, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: daboss351;245671
idk i got a h pipe shipped to me for 40 bucks... if they were in peices and I welded them might be cheaper. If I make them im sure ill screw up


I could send you a pattern made out of light wood.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 02, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: daminc;245683
I could send you a pattern made out of light wood.


Let me know how much youd want for it and do it up!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 02, 2008, 10:58:17 AM
Quote from: daboss351;245777
Let me know how much youd want for it and do it up!


Just shipping.
I'll put it together with screws, and cut it in half for shipping.
I'll make it so you can put it together full length when you get it.

This way, it there's a slight diff. in frame, you can adjust it to fit yours.

How does that sound?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: freddk13@yahoo.ca on December 02, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
Dumb question. How are you removing the paint?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 02, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
40 grit disk on a grinder @ about 1000 RPM. It won't heat the metal up and distort at that speed. Pretty much the easiest and cheapest way to remove the paint.
Are you from the autobody forum? Your name sounds familiar.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 02, 2008, 04:28:01 PM
I don't know about easy, but aircraft stripper would be.
Then you can see whats tuffer the new floor or the cat.
I'm an A$$, I know!!.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: freddk13 on December 02, 2008, 05:49:36 PM
Quote from: daminc;245790
40 grit disk on a grinder @ about 1000 RPM. It won't heat the metal up and distort at that speed. Pretty much the easiest and cheapest way to remove the paint.
Are you from the autobody forum? Your name sounds familiar.



Yes, I am. I am using that site and this thread to try to learn enough to complete my own restoration. (And this thread for inspiration! - Thanks for that!)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 02, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
LOL
OK, I'm just plain cheap. cost about $2 for disks and a total of mabe 2 hrs to strip the hood and coat it.

Here's the rest of it done.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4782.jpg)

Here's a little surprise I found on the hood.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4778.jpg)

So I got done with that and on to this.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4779.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4780.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4781.jpg)

Here I just wedged it on for a look to see if it was going to work.
It appears to be the same.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4783.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4784.jpg)

I'll bolt the trunk lid back on, and work on the corner and the trunk fix next. And probably the tank brackets, so I can paint the underneath.
Until next time..
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 02, 2008, 06:04:06 PM
Quote from: freddk13;245844
Yes, I am. I am using that site and this thread to try to learn enough to complete my own restoration. (And this thread for inspiration! - Thanks for that!)


Glad I can help, You never did post pics of the car, did you?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 03, 2008, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: daminc;245786
Just shipping.
I'll put it together with screws, and cut it in half for shipping.
I'll make it so you can put it together full length when you get it.

This way, it there's a slight diff. in frame, you can adjust it to fit yours.

How does that sound?


sounds amazing
Id owe you big time!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 03, 2008, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: daboss351;245932
sounds amazing
Id owe you big time!


PM sent
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 03, 2008, 05:37:28 PM
Did some fiddling with this back corner today
don't ask about the pic, I don't know what happened there. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/MVI_4788.jpg)

found a better one. I put the lid back on to do some aligning to that piece.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4789.jpg)

Also had to put the lights back on to make sure everything was right.
I'll bet you didn't even know I had lights. lol
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4790.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4791.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4792.jpg)

So everything  looks Ok there, I'll weld it up when I do the tank supports. that's next.

I also did some sealing and cleaning up in the trunk. I also removed almost all the seam sealer in here
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4793.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4794.jpg)

Here's pics of the inside of the quarter panel repairs.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4795.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4796.jpg)

And I found this floating around in my tool cabinet. I should make it into a keychain.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4797.jpg)

That's all for today.

Look at me go!  :D  LOL

until next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 03, 2008, 06:06:14 PM
It looks like the corner piece needs to come down just a tiny bit more,but,I've only got the pics to look at.It may be different in person.Still,nice work.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 03, 2008, 06:31:33 PM
It may have moved a little before the pic was taken.
I had the trunk open and closed a bunch of times.
I'll do better next time.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 03, 2008, 06:52:21 PM
No worries.You're rockin' right along.Awesome.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 03, 2008, 07:12:24 PM
I want to know of the weight of this when its done.
Have you thought about puttin tracks on it yet?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 03, 2008, 07:22:00 PM
I don't think it's going to be any different in weight, other then the SFCs which is about 60lbs total.

Tracks?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 03, 2008, 09:22:09 PM
I think he meant Tank tracks, as in "It's built like a tank" ;)

I still say you shoulda installed T-Bird tail lights :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 03, 2008, 09:46:10 PM
I found these.
What size should I use?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/radmeister_rubber_tracks.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 03, 2008, 10:10:03 PM
If you use a nice aftermarket exhaust,it'll offset the 60 lbs you speak of easily.I am curious of the weight myself.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 03, 2008, 10:24:58 PM
Do you think it's going to weigh a lot? More than an XR7?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on December 04, 2008, 01:44:14 AM
sheshhh,, you had a nice bumper there and i missed out!!!:mad:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 04, 2008, 06:54:27 AM
With all of the options you're adding,I bet it'll weigh in like any normal,un-modified ,well optioned Bird or Cat.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 04, 2008, 07:15:48 AM
Quote from: jcassity;246084
sheshhh,, you had a nice bumper there and i missed out!!!:mad:


bumper?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 04, 2008, 07:20:55 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;246098
With all of the options you're adding,I bet it'll weigh in like any normal,un-modified ,well optioned Bird or Cat.

This is what I figure too. It'll have most options minus moon roof and a few other things. That leather weighs more then cloth too, you know. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 04, 2008, 05:06:24 PM
My Sport is light already.I don't really care much about a hundred pounds either way.I'll be having black leather seats.If it was an all out drag car,sure,weight would be a factor,but,since it's a daily driver,a fun car,I want comfort and really cool looking as well.If it costs a few pounds,so be it.I'll be happy.The Sport hasn't been complaining (because she knows paint is coming soon).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 04, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
today's pics. I put a quick coat of paint in the trunk like the floor.
I also have a couple small holes along side of the supports that support something under the car. I have yet to see a real need for them, other then a place to collect crap like the tank supports, and rust. I may just seam seal those couple holes. after all, look at all the holes in the car with plugs in them.
Anyway they're blasted, treated and encapsulated. how much more could they rust.
I did a few random pin holes that way on the floor too
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4802.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4801.jpg)

I welded the corner on.
Needs a little tapping here and there, but it's a good fit.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4803.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4799.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4800.jpg)

And what would this tread be without a request.
This could work if I cut the back down a little bit.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4798.jpg)

That todays excitement.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on December 04, 2008, 07:18:29 PM
That is coming a long way man!  Keep the pics coming its amazing what you are getting done there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on December 04, 2008, 09:45:17 PM
FULL STOP!!!!

this is when you go back to the trunk and let the light come back on in that brilliant mind of yours!!!

stare directly in the trunk dead center of its floor and to the right slightly about 10''.

see any mods you think would be useful?  hint,, post #526


also,, about the bumper,, I meant the bumper cover.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on December 04, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Wow great work man keep it up!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on December 04, 2008, 10:39:30 PM
I agree with post #526.  Shoulda been a factory option in the first place, lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on December 04, 2008, 11:13:41 PM
Nice looking hood! Nice find
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 04, 2008, 11:33:20 PM
Sweetness.Keep the Cougar lights.It's the right thing to do.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 05, 2008, 10:33:58 AM
looking good!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 05, 2008, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: daminc;246050
I found these.
What size should I use?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/radmeister_rubber_tracks.jpg)

 
You may have to do some custom interior work to fit them. but yeh thats what I ment.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 05, 2008, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: jcassity;246207
FULL STOP!!!!

this is when you go back to the trunk and let the light come back on in that brilliant mind of yours!!!

stare directly in the trunk dead center of its floor and to the right slightly about 10''.

see any mods you think would be useful?  hint,, post #526


also,, about the bumper,, I meant the bumper cover.


Oh you mean to cut a hole in the floor above the fuel pump to make replacement easier? Why would he want to do that? Wreastling the thing out with a half tank of gas is great fun! :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 05, 2008, 03:34:52 PM
He won't have to the new pump he puts in will last him 30 yrs.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 05, 2008, 04:41:45 PM
kitz does have a point, unless I get a dud. or I want to change it for some reason.
I also have access to a fork lift from my neighbor.
The amount of gas in the tank wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 06, 2008, 05:51:01 PM
Took care of some loose ends today.
Got my tank out and pulled the pump and sender out.
Well, at least something under my car had paint on it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4805.jpg)

Here's removing the pump and sender
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4808.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4809.jpg)

Look what I found. the guy that caulked the connector on the tank left me a surprise.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4810.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4811.jpg)

Can't believe there's still a ford tag on this.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4813.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4814.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4815.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4816.jpg)

And on to the tank supports.
Here's the passenger side.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4818.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4819.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4820.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4821.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4822.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4823.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4824.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4825.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4826.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4828.jpg)

Here's the drivers side support
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4831.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4832.jpg)

Here it is next to the old one
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4834.jpg)

I just need to weld a couple more welding flanges on, and weld a bolt onto the supports for mounting the straps. (dominator gave me the bolt idea)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Tank%20and%20supports/IMG_4835.jpg)

That's today's fuel tank adventure. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mywifeskitty on December 06, 2008, 05:59:21 PM
i love when people with skills use them :)  it's going to be a brand new car when you're done....

on a different note, how do you post so many pics and put words between them in the same post (i'm not one of those with skills :))
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on December 06, 2008, 06:16:38 PM
:jerry:

Wow, and a bunch of pages later, I am back up to date.
Just amazing daminc!

Keep the pics flowing, no matter how small :) !

:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on December 06, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
Oh, and a question:

Would you be interested in fabricating up a duplicate set of those mounts for the fuel tank?  I'd be interested.
You remember, I did after-all, drop my pocket (http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=17634).  LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 06, 2008, 11:31:19 PM
Quote from: cougarXLS;246511
Oh, and a question:

Would you be interested in fabricating up a duplicate set of those mounts for the fuel tank?  I'd be interested.
You remember, I did after-all, drop my pocket (http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=17634).  LOL


I thought you fixed your tank problem?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 06, 2008, 11:41:06 PM
Quote from: mywifeskitty;246499
i love when people with skills use them :)  it's going to be a brand new car when you're done....

on a different note, how do you post so many pics and put words between them in the same post (i'm not one of those with skills :))


I guess there's enough new parts going on to say that it'll be kinda new.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 07, 2008, 12:21:15 AM
Every time I see the pics of your car,it makes me really glad that my Sport has zero rust,and that the top of my fuel tank and the chassis still looks nearly new.....although it's 22 years old.Thanks for going through all the hard work to make me feel good.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on December 07, 2008, 02:05:34 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i get a picture of a sending unit!

Years ago i changed the fuel pump and pulled the sender also just so i could see how it worked.  I went into the house to refill the coffee and there sits my two rug rats busting on eachother fighting and tugging on my sender!!!!!!!  I had to guess how to bend the rod and trust me  i was dead wrong.

That pic helps a whole lot!!!


right click,,file save as!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on December 07, 2008, 02:14:25 AM
you need to use a hole saw and cut out large 1'' holes in the lowest point on each one of those fuel tank mounts or they will become buckets of water over time.  That probably what rusted them out in the first place.

Makes me want to check mine out.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 07, 2008, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: jcassity;246586
you need to use a hole saw and cut out large 1'' holes in the lowest point on each one of those fuel tank mounts or they will become buckets of water over time.  That probably what rusted them out in the first place.

Makes me want to check mine out.


Yea, I still have a couple things to do. Drain holes, couple more weld flanges, bolting system that won't rust.
For the most part, they're done and I can get rid of the rust under the old brackets, and coat the entire back end, and then seam seal it. I bought a gallon of Zero-Rust. Should be here next week. Until then, I'll redo the trunk lid, and work my way around the car removing paint.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on December 07, 2008, 09:22:02 AM
You soooooo need a rotisserie LOL so you'd have a much easier time getting all the crap off the bottom that you really wanted to.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 07, 2008, 09:36:47 AM
Next car
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on December 07, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
You aren't leaving me much of an excuse not to work on my car's underside, lol.  I've put it off til the Rotisserie is done...which is put off til the price of steel comes down.  Keep up the good work!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 08, 2008, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: HAVI;246605
You aren't leaving me much of an excuse not to work on my car's underside, lol.  I've put it off til the Rotisserie is done...which is put off til the price of steel comes down.  Keep up the good work!


It all happens when the time is right. I've been planning this since about 2003. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 08, 2008, 06:35:01 PM
Today I decided to rebuild the trunk lid.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4850.jpg)

Drilled out the old rivets and yanked it off.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4851.jpg)

Did a little measuring, and did some cutting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4852.jpg)

Then a little fitting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4853.jpg)

Then a little more fitting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4854.jpg)

And this is what we end up with
Curve and all
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4855.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4856.jpg)

Next is to rebuild the inside again. I hope for the last time
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4857.jpg)

Before I redo the inside, I'll cut the outer panel and put a backing strip on so the replacement skin is in the correct place to match up. When I replace the inside, the panel should both line up with the outer one. We'll see how that goes. LOL

That's it for today.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Beau on December 08, 2008, 07:23:47 PM
Jerry, after reading this thread time and again, and seeing the pics of the progress thus far, I'm absolutely convinced you could build a car from scratch with your bare hands!

It's amazing!:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 08, 2008, 07:31:24 PM
Just a thought but on the passenger side you may want to make the tank bracket smaller if you're going to run 2.5" dual exhaust under the car. The top of the passenger side tail pipe will hit it if you use any of the pre bent Mustang tail pipes. Trust me I know ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on December 09, 2008, 12:42:22 AM
You realize that when you're finished with this car, you would have touched every single inch of it!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 09, 2008, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;246792
Just a thought but on the passenger side you may want to make the tank bracket smaller if you're going to run 2.5" dual exhaust under the car. The top of the passenger side tail pipe will hit it if you use any of the pre bent Mustang tail pipes. Trust me I know ;)


Not sure about the smaller part, as I don't know where it would actually hit without having the pipes installed.
I'll deal with that problem as it comes. I also know where to get a 2 1/2" pipe bender just in case.


Quote
DerikWayne

You realize that when you're finished with this car, you would have touched every single inch of it!;)


I'm sure there must be some part that I won't touch.


I cut some parts off the trunk today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4860.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4861.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4862.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4863.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4864.jpg)

Oh well, I guess I've seen worse. This pretty much said it all.

But on the lighter side of today.
I ended up making a pattern of my SFCs to send to someone, so they can copy them for their car.
It's got to be the strangest thing I've ever made in all my 25 years in building.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4859.jpg)

Looks like SFCs for a stagecoach. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: TheMeaningOfLife on December 09, 2008, 10:55:09 PM
Amish SFCs!!

Great work by the way!  I know ill never have half that skill!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on December 09, 2008, 11:38:07 PM
:hick:  Could use those SFC's here:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on December 09, 2008, 11:45:50 PM
All I have to say is, you are out of your brilliant mind! lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on December 10, 2008, 05:06:02 AM
I have a friend with 2 87 cougars. One is a two tone blue v-6 with a good trunk lid. He is going to have to get rid of them by the end of the year. I'll bet I could get you a pretty good deal on them. I'll be going to his house this weekend, and I could get a couple of pics for you then.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 10, 2008, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: Haystack;247025
I have a friend with 2 87 cougars. One is a two tone blue v-6 with a good trunk lid. He is going to have to get rid of them by the end of the year. I'll bet I could get you a pretty good deal on them. I'll be going to his house this weekend, and I could get a couple of pics for you then.


I don't see shipping as being user friendly. Especially from out that way. I'm kinda in a bad area to get too, seeing that I'm right between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario with Canada on another side only 7 min. away.

You could see about a price to 14072, But I may have it finished by the weekend.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 10, 2008, 11:02:18 AM
Sweet!!
I owe u big time!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 10, 2008, 06:53:28 PM
OK, I decided to rebuild the trunk by memory. But seeing that I don't trust my memory, this is what I came up with.
The last repair had a straight bend in it, and I noticed it was holding moisture. This time I decided to bend it on a curve, so moisture can travel to the weep holes.

this was a before.
Here you can see the straight bend that wasn't letting the water to the weep holes.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/IMG_3279.jpg)

A great afternoon fix, but a bad design on my part.

Here's the start of the curved piece that will let water get out when the lid is closed.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4870.jpg)

It's tough to tell in this pic, but there's a compound curve in it.
Unfortunately, the only thing I don't own is a shrinker/stretcher.
So I had to pound it out by hand, which really sucks.
A little more fine tuning, and it'll be good.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_4871.jpg)

Also got some of my stuff for surfacing the panels.
This will ensure that the car doesn't have any waves in it when I'm done. ;)
Now you know why I stripped it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4872.jpg)

That's all for today my friends.........
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: andrew beedle on December 10, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
I see lots of block sanding in your future. Could you not use a high build urethane primer instead. Maybe save a little block sanding time?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 10, 2008, 07:44:33 PM
The car needs to be blocked no matter how I look at it. This will do a better job before the epoxy primer goes on. Especially on the panels that got welded.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on December 10, 2008, 08:33:01 PM
Most of us would have purchased another trunk lid... but nooooooo, not you!

Just kidding. I bow down to your greatness, lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thundr306 on December 10, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
I give you alot of credit for going out there on a consistent basis and working on your car. I know I can't do that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on December 10, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: DerikWayne;247143
Most of us would have purchased another trunk lid... but nooooooo, not you!

Just kidding. I bow down to your greatness, lol.
Most of us would have gotten a new car! LOL.

Jerry I have a question for you. since you brought up the subject of the underside of my SHO. What would you recommend "winterizing" it with? I'm on a budget so I need the cheap route.

As much as I would like to seal/undercoat it I dont think I can afford it right now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 10, 2008, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: thundr306;247146
I give you alot of credit for going out there on a consistent basis and working on your car. I know I can't do that.


Thanks,
Being a contractor usually gives me a bunch of free time from Thanksgiving till the end of January (tax return time).
When work start up again, it'll be hit and miss like during the summer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 10, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: DVP;247147
Most of us would have gotten a new car! LOL.

Jerry I have a question for you. since you brought up the subject of the underside of my SHO. What would you recommend "winterizing" it with? I'm on a budget so I need the cheap route.

As much as I would like to seal/undercoat it I dont think I can afford it right now.


If I had got another car, I still would have taken it apart and stripped it to the point this one is. This car cost me very little money to keep and rebuild compared to finding one and getting it back to Buffalo.
If I didn't upgrade and add anything extra, It only cost me about $500 to fix it with all the panels and materials I got into it.

As far as undercoating, The spray can stuff would be the cheapest and easiest. I don't know what the underneath looks like right now but if there's rust already, it's gonna keep rusting until you get rid of it.
I may just say that if you have a lot of rust, then don't undercoat it until you can treat it or blast it. undercoating it will make a big mess that you'll have to clean off before you can treat or paint with encapsulator.
A gallon of Zero Rust is only $52. You can do the entire underside of your car 2X  and it would be rustproofed almost forever. then you could undercoat it if you wanted.

Hows that?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 10, 2008, 11:33:04 PM
Undercoating?We don't need no steenking undercoating here !!! LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 11, 2008, 09:48:46 AM
I wish I had the time to do this to my car
and tools
and space
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 11, 2008, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: 347Thunder;247007
All I have to say is, you are out of your brilliant mind! lol

My headache's gettin bigger.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on December 11, 2008, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: daboss351;247215
I wish I had the time to do this to my car
and tools
and space
And money.

But, having time to do all of this is what makes it worthwhile.  IMO, the best bodymen are the ones who have done it over and over and over and over again.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on December 11, 2008, 08:17:31 PM
But when you are a bodyman you never want to come home to work on your own. I only finished my car because I stopped doing it for a living.LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 11, 2008, 11:41:45 PM
Project is temporarily on hold, due to my dad passing away unexpectedly.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on December 11, 2008, 11:48:08 PM
Im glad you didnt buy another car. Its fun to see the insides of our cars. Plus Im learning ALOT. Will the Zero Rust stop the rust? Its not bad but if I keep it I would like it to not get worse.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 11, 2008, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: DVP;247297
Im glad you didnt buy another car. Its fun to see the insides of our cars. Plus Im learning ALOT. Will the Zero Rust stop the rust? Its not bad but if I keep it I would like it to not get worse.


If you scrape the scaled rust off and coat it good, it will stop it from rusting any more.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 12, 2008, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: daminc;247296
Project is temporarily on hold, due to my dad passing away unexpectedly.


What ??????
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mjbtbrd on December 12, 2008, 01:20:43 AM
Quote from: daminc;247296
Project is temporarily on hold, due to my dad passing away unexpectedly.


My condolences
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on December 12, 2008, 04:52:21 AM
Jerry, Our Thoughts and Prayers are with you in this time of sorrow my Condolences to you & your Family. God Bless !!! :(
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 12, 2008, 05:13:49 AM
Sorry for your loss.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 12, 2008, 08:20:12 AM
My family will keep you and yours in our prayers.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on December 12, 2008, 10:34:18 AM
I wish the best for you man. I am truely sorry to hear about your loss.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on December 12, 2008, 11:10:23 AM
My condolences to you and your family, Jerry...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on December 12, 2008, 11:35:16 AM
X2
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on December 12, 2008, 12:48:29 PM
I am extremely sorry to hear about the loss of your father. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on December 12, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
Im sorry for your loss jerry,i can only imagine how you feel right now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 12, 2008, 02:25:51 PM
Sorry for your loss. Family is more important than cars ever will be. Come back to the car when you're ready. It will still be there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on December 12, 2008, 03:24:12 PM
sorry to hear about your loss.... my prayers are with you
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on December 12, 2008, 03:48:32 PM
In my thoughts and prayers man...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on December 12, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
sorry to hear this.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on December 12, 2008, 05:12:49 PM
Jerry, My heartfelt condolences.  The car can wait.  Take care, and Merry Christmas if I don't see ya on here til after.
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Post by: Haystack on December 12, 2008, 09:12:42 PM
Sorry.. Keep your chin up...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thundr306 on December 12, 2008, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: daminc;247296
Project is temporarily on hold, due to my dad passing away unexpectedly.


Very sorry to hear of this.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 13, 2008, 07:31:45 AM
Thank you everyone for your kind words.
Been a little busy Taking care of things, plus my 90 year old grandmother is in a nursing home for rehab after a hip replacement, and my 90 year old grandfather is overwelmed by both situations.
I'll still be popping in briefly from time to time, to make sure you guys aren't getting into trouble. LOL

Thanks again
Jerry
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 13, 2008, 01:02:42 PM
I hope you do, I need this post for stress relief!
Hang in there bubba, and again sorry for your loss.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 13, 2008, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;247421
I hope you do, I need this post for stress relief!
Hang in there bubba, and again sorry for your loss.


Me too.It's like my daily hit of the news that I need.
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Post by: HAVI on December 13, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
+3
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 13, 2008, 06:40:44 PM
Thanks, I may unwind from the week and putter with it tomorrow.
I'll see how things go.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on December 13, 2008, 08:14:25 PM
Sorry to hear jerry.
My condolenses.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 13, 2008, 11:07:23 PM
Thanks Chris
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on December 14, 2008, 03:29:53 AM
Sorry to hear that Jerry. I feel like an ass now, I was the first one to post after the sad news and I had no idea until now. My condolences
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 14, 2008, 07:37:04 AM
Quote from: DVP;247507
Sorry to hear that Jerry. I feel like an ass now, I was the first one to post after the sad news and I had no idea until now. My condolences


Don't worry about it, I know that posts sneak in while typing sometimes.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Beau on December 15, 2008, 02:20:55 PM
Condolences to your family from mine in a time of sorrow.
Our thoughts are with your family
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on December 24, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: daminc;247296
Project is temporarily on hold, due to my dad passing away unexpectedly.
Jerry, I am so sorry to hear that.  My condolences and best wishes to you and your family. :(

Quote from: daminc;246557
I thought you fixed your tank problem?
Well, I did.  I just didn't weld.  I bolted.  I kinda made more holes.
Now that I have a camera, I should load up those pics... it was kinda cool from a newbie's point of view.  But your's are cooler.  :D


Merry Christmas and all the best,

Kevin
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on December 24, 2008, 09:07:43 PM
Merry christmas Daminc, keep that chin up and think of the cougar...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 28, 2008, 05:25:05 PM
I hope everyone had a great Christmas.
I did a little painting today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4890.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4891.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4893.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4894.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4895.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4896.jpg)

That's all for today.
Thank you everyone for your kind words and support.
On with the project.
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on December 28, 2008, 08:32:40 PM
Great to see that your back Jerry!!!!!!!!!!Now on with the show!!!!!!!!;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on December 29, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
WOO-HOO !!!!!!!!!! What are you planning today with the Cougar?It's supposed be nearly 70 here.If so,I'm painting the trim on the Bird.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 29, 2008, 05:46:24 PM
Sorry, no fun with the Cougar today, Had to work.
Next I'll just be putting another coat of paint on, and mabe the tank supports. Then I'll be working my way down to the front.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 29, 2008, 09:39:30 PM
In all the excitement and confusion, I forgot that it was the one year mark for my project.
A lot has changed since I began one year ago ,and it looks like the hard part is finally done.
Thanks for sticking around, and we'll be seeing some crazy stuff from this point forward.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 30, 2008, 06:31:09 AM
How much more crazy can it get, It's past crazy!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on December 30, 2008, 12:46:16 PM
how bout wild! But its some awsome work. And i know you have givin me confidence in doing my own rust repair. I know im going to be consulting you here soon enough.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on December 30, 2008, 01:27:02 PM
Wow good to see you back in the game man! Expect a visit from me pretty soon after I return from Hungary.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 30, 2008, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;249444
how bout wild! But its some awsome work. And i know you have givin me confidence in doing my own rust repair. I know im going to be consulting you here soon enough.


Still need to replace your rockers?
Have you found any?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 30, 2008, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: baxo;249446
Wow good to see you back in the game man! Expect a visit from me pretty soon after I return from Hungary.


Cool, It'll get done quicker if you help. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on December 30, 2008, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;249419
How much more crazy can it get, It's past crazy!!


LOL
Where exactly did I pass crazy? I must have missed it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on December 30, 2008, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: daminc;249481
LOL
Where exactly did I pass crazy? I must have missed it.

The day you said I'm goin to do this. I am trying to get you there. I am impressed. Really don't mean much though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on December 30, 2008, 08:02:41 PM
Damn come to think of it I started mine on Dec. 6, 2007 the day after I raced my car and ran a 12 flat. I think I did pretty well considering the car was in the same primer for 7 years lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on December 31, 2008, 11:26:47 AM
well on my drivers side it goes alot farther than just the rockers. The inner structure needs reparing as well. same with the passenger side. And im still on the hunt with no luck. And tax time just around the corner when i will have the cash to get everything to make my cougar beautiful again. And remember how you thought i had a possible bent crankshaft to be breaking ballencers... Well that checked out to be within tollarence issued by ford.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: jpc647 on December 31, 2008, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;249444
how bout wild! But its some awsome work. And i know you have givin me confidence in doing my own rust repair. I know im going to be consulting you here soon enough.


Your not the only one!! :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 04, 2009, 04:17:24 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;249585
well on my drivers side it goes alot farther than just the rockers. The inner structure needs reparing as well. same with the passenger side. And im still on the hunt with no luck. And tax time just around the corner when i will have the cash to get everything to make my cougar beautiful again. And remember how you thought i had a possible bent crankshaft to be breaking ballencers... Well that checked out to be within tollarence issued by ford.


 I think it's time to make it a Supercharged V8 :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 04, 2009, 04:51:57 PM
Yea, I know. I haven't been updating. I decided to take the week off from everything.

Today I seam sealed the back end. Sometime next week I'll put the 2nd coat on the back, so I can move on towards the front.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4902.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4903.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4904.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4905.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4906.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/media%20blasting%20and%20paint%20removal/IMG_4907.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 04, 2009, 11:24:59 PM
You really know how to seal up a back end.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 05, 2009, 04:48:51 PM
Even with all the steel you added, I think it would float in a lake.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 05, 2009, 05:39:39 PM
Were a bunch of comedians now, are we?

LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 05, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
Well,what do you expect for free.LOL.When you're finished,it will be the same if you'd just swapped the VIN tag onto another car body.None of your original car will be left.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on January 05, 2009, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: daminc;250329
Were a bunch of comedians now, are we?

LOL


It sure seams that way. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 11, 2009, 03:23:21 PM
I removed the rear end today. Things look real good under there.(considering the condition of the rest of the car)
I'll start blasting this week.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4932.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4933.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4934.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4935.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4936.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4937.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4938.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4939.jpg)
Here's a good view of the trunk that I just did
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4940.jpg)

And here's what I end up with.
A rusted rear.......
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4942.jpg)

And a broken spring..
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4943.jpg)

And here's my token stupid trick of the day. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4944.jpg)
It's just sitting there.

And ready for blasting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4946.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 11, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
Bottom pic looks like a Delorean :hick:

Did you have any trouble with the rear control arm bolts? I had one that wouldn't come out and had to cut the control arm - not a biggie since I was installing CHE arms anyway. Also, are you upgrading the control arms? I couldn't believe how flexible the stock ones were when I took 'em out, especially the uppers...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on January 11, 2009, 04:54:57 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;251227
Bottom pic looks like a Delorean :hick:

LOL my thoughts exactly!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 11, 2009, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;251227
Bottom pic looks like a Delorean :hick:

Did you have any trouble with the rear control arm bolts? I had one that wouldn't come out and had to cut the control arm - not a biggie since I was installing CHE arms anyway. Also, are you upgrading the control arms? I couldn't believe how flexible the stock ones were when I took 'em out, especially the uppers...


LOL, yes I do have a bolt that won't come out. in the 3rd pic, the lower arm is still on the car. I'll probably have to cut the bolt on both sides of the arm. I think it's rusted to the inner sleeve.
I didn't plan on upgrading right now, but I may be now that I have a bolt stuck in the arm. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 11, 2009, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;251227
Bottom pic looks like a Delorean :hick:


You know, every time I go in there, I think the same thing.
I wish I could just buff it up and clear coat it. LOL

Does anybody have an extra flux capacitor?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 11, 2009, 05:14:17 PM
Take one of the control arms and clamp one end in a vice, then stick a screwdriver through the other end and twist the control arm. When you see how easy they are to twist you'll really want to upgrade, if not at least box 'em. I couldn't believe the lack of torsional strength in the stock arms. I think with the uppers you probably wouldn't need a vice to twist it, you could probably twist it by wringing it like an old rag...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on January 11, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
I seen a flux-capacitor on epay last week, got out bid by some crazy scientist guy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 11, 2009, 07:48:30 PM
You'd never have won anyway. If you outbid him he'd just go back in time and outbid you anyway :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 11, 2009, 07:52:49 PM
I think i'm going too blast and toss the old ones back in with the old rear, until I find a TC rear end. then I'll change everything. it can be done anytime after the car is done.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on January 11, 2009, 08:34:27 PM
Do the upgrade jerry,got my che non adjustable ones for about 215.00cdn shipped (uppers and lowers) when i bought them a few years ago.
Super nice quality and they come with all new hardware.
Plus the ride and stability is much improved with them.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 11, 2009, 08:56:32 PM
I was just looking at that set. I'll probably get them.
I also got my upper and lower t-box kit on the way. should be here by the time i'm done blasting. I think I'm going to cut the other spring to match the broken one. the car always sat to damn high anyway.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 11, 2009, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;251239
Take one of the control arms and clamp one end in a vice, then stick a screwdriver through the other end and twist the control arm. When you see how easy they are to twist you'll really want to upgrade, if not at least box 'em. I couldn't believe the lack of torsional strength in the stock arms. I think with the uppers you probably wouldn't need a vice to twist it, you could probably twist it by wringing it like an old rag...


This probably explains why the ass end of my T-bird hops all around when I stomp on it from a stop :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 12, 2009, 06:22:07 AM
Quote from: daminc;251236
You know, every time I go in there, I think the same thing.
I wish I could just buff it up and clear coat it. LOL
 
Does anybody have an extra flux capacitor?

I know a guy that collects delorens, he got 3 of them one is gold plated.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 12, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
Buy the lowers, I'll give you a deal on the uppers.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 12, 2009, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;251386
Buy the lowers, I'll give you a deal on the uppers.


I feel my wallet getting lighter, LOL
PM me when you get a chance.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 12, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
Today's update consists of me scraping the loose rust off the rest of the back end, and making another plastic blast booth.
I thought about taking a pic of it again, but after seeing it before, I'm sure you get the idea this time around.
It's ready to blast.
Mabe tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 12, 2009, 05:08:24 PM
Not lighter. Flames not good lol,
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 14, 2009, 05:30:15 PM
got this today. I also see that I have to do a little modifying to make them work. they're close though.
I have to do a little lengthening on the 2 on the top left, and a little modifying on the 2 on the bottom right. :D
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4947.jpg)

I also started blasting the rest of the underside. No pics on that. to dusty for the camera. Last time I took pics after that. the lens wouldn't close. I'll wait till I get done with that, and get a coat of paint under there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 14, 2009, 06:07:26 PM
Try putting the camera in a zip loc bag to take the pics,or wrap a piece of saran wrap around it.Worked for me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: andrew beedle on January 14, 2009, 09:00:31 PM
How are you going to clean up the inside of the rear subframe rails?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 14, 2009, 09:35:54 PM
believe it or not, I see paint in there.
I'm as going to spray the insides.
Remember I cut the floor open inside behind the back seat....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 14, 2009, 09:44:44 PM
the rest i'll clean out, and treat it using a flexible undercoating gun and wand with zero-rust.
Here you can see that there's just surface rust, and no major scaling or rotting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Cougar%20rebuild/rear%20floor/IMG_3344.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on January 14, 2009, 09:58:51 PM
Weird how the battle boxes for the stang don't line up at the control arm holes eh???
I had enough material on mine that i just redrilled the holes lower down and bolted them in.
Didn't get a set of uppers though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 14, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
Quote from: dominator;251694
Weird how the battle boxes for the stang don't line up at the control arm holes eh???
I had enough material on mine that i just redrilled the holes lower down and bolted them in.
Didn't get a set of uppers though.


Yea, what's up with that crap. LOL
the uppers need about an inch added to them, and then a hole drilled for the arm.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 15, 2009, 03:25:24 PM
Like I said before, CRAZY!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on January 15, 2009, 03:51:05 PM
I Concur
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on January 15, 2009, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;251654
Try putting the camera in a zip loc bag to take the pics,or wrap a piece of saran wrap around it.Worked for me.



Jerry, what kind of camera?  Basic P & S or SLR?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 15, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
It's an old canon Powershot S200 .......2 whole mega pixels.
It's my work camera. I'd take a pic of it, but well... I'd need another camera. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 15, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
And I swear, I'm not crazy
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 15, 2009, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: daminc;251842
And I swear, I'm not crazy

You do know crazy people don't admit they got a problem.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 15, 2009, 04:53:05 PM
Here's a couple pics of a quick go over with the blaster.
It seems I have to do this, or else I get surrounded by a dense rust fog, and have to stop because I can't see.
You can also see the back end of my SFCs. The insides still need to be welded to the subframe. (other side is welded already)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4952.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4951.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4950.jpg)
This one I started to blast for real. It's starting to clean up nice. I only spent about 10 min. on this part
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4949.jpg)

I'm sure you already figured this, so I'll just confirm that I ordered the upper and lower arms last night. I got the Cougar/tbird set from CHE. They look pretty nice. ;)

That's all for today I'll be blasting tomorrow. Stay tuned
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: andrew beedle on January 15, 2009, 05:26:23 PM
Im suprised you have not build your own Rotisserie to put your car on.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 15, 2009, 05:32:18 PM
I'll have one for the next car.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 15, 2009, 05:38:36 PM
I got to ask how many hours do you have in to this?
Bubba you crazy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 15, 2009, 05:50:54 PM
I stopped counting during the summer.
I figured every time I posted progress, I was only working on it for 1-1/2 hrs. on an average. sometimes it's only a 1/2 hour. I really don't spend a lot of time on it.
Removing the rear was the longest I worked on it since summer. about 2-1/2 hrs.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on January 15, 2009, 06:46:11 PM
:jerry: :jerry:
 
Quote from: Kitz Kat;251813
Like I said before, CRAZY!!

You not crazy, you insane!!!  And we love you for it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on January 15, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;251867
I got to ask how many hours do you have in to this?
Bubba you crazy.


I think that question is way out of line LOL:punchballs:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 16, 2009, 04:49:49 PM
I decided to start blasting, but didn't get very far. I couldn't keep much heat in the place and vent the dust from the blasting. I did this much and said I'm way to cold to do this today. only made it to 9 deg. today. It's still progress.
I hear it's supposed to be a little warmer next week anyway
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4955.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4954.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4953.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 17, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
It's looking good :D It was warm by you yesterday. We only made it to -1* in Chicago Friday:mad:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: rancheronut on January 17, 2009, 12:57:45 PM
Quote from: daminc;251870
I was only working on it for 1-1/2 hrs. on an average. sometimes it's only a 1/2 hour. I really don't spend a lot of time on it.
Removing the rear was the longest I worked on it since summer. about 2-1/2 hrs.


yep  i feeling your pain!
i know how what your going through. my 86 mustang drag car was in my shop on the 4 post hoist for 4 years after i pulled it into the shop just to service it. for the up coming race season of 2002.
 casper been on the the same hoist  now going on now for 7 months and all i have done is pulled the255v-8 and tranny.
but couple months ago,i put the new long block 1987 302 roller  and tranny.
 i have the dual 2 1/2 inch exhaust sitting on the floor for a month now.
 the 8.8 in next bay waiting for me to finish welding the new lower brackets on for about 4 months.

it suck when you have a bad lower back and you can only play on the good days!
(http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/650008/fullsize/dcp02274.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 23, 2009, 05:53:51 PM
I'll start off today with some new parts.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4956.jpg)

and gently glide into this.
I got a 1st coat on. I've been busy as you can see.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4957.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4958.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4960.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4961.jpg)

Next  is another coat of paint, encapsulating inside the frame, torque box and upper spring mounts.
Then installing the battle boxes, before the rear gets installed.

Now it's starting to look like something. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on January 23, 2009, 06:00:45 PM
:shakehead I see they shipped the CHE's to the wrong address again.


JK, I can't wait to get mine....hopefully this summer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 23, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
Nice work my friend.I can't wait to order my control arms........when I get more cash for the Sport........
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 23, 2009, 10:02:27 PM
The bushings on the rear are good to.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: rancheronut on January 23, 2009, 10:16:37 PM
hey daminc. this might sound dum but what are you using as paint the under side? this blonde would like to know.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 23, 2009, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: rancheronut;253240
hey daminc. this might sound dum but what are you using as paint the under side? this blonde would like to know.


Zero-Rust
Rust encapsolator It's about $50 gallon
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: rancheronut on January 23, 2009, 10:50:52 PM
ok where can i get some from?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 23, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
Here you go. It's the cheapest place I can find it most of the time.
The PickelX that I use is there also.
http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=RCAC (http://"http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=RCAC")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on January 23, 2009, 11:35:27 PM
that looks like muddy water your putting on there.  Any other color opitons?  Picky picky me,, paint over it i suppose.

On a side note and this day will come for you sooner than later .................  when you finally get around to wiring, make sure you remove paint for your grounds.  Use No-ox-ide compound on the ground connections. Prevents water intrusion plus it conducts.

Ill mail you some ,  pm me
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 23, 2009, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: jcassity;253262
that looks like muddy water your putting on there.  Any other color opitons?  Picky picky me,, paint over it i suppose.

On a side note and this day will come for you sooner than later .................  when you finally get around to wiring, make sure you remove paint for your grounds.  Use No-ox-ide compound on the ground connections. Prevents water intrusion plus it conducts.

Ill mail you some ,  pm me


And I thought black was stylish. Don't worry, the silver rear will break that up
Thanks , but I have the compound already. (bet you didn't expect that)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on January 24, 2009, 11:16:10 AM
At this rate, you won't even have to paint the body. When you park the car somewhere, everyone will be looking underneath it anyway! :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 24, 2009, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;253333
At this rate, you won't even have to paint the body. When you park the car somewhere, everyone will be looking underneath it anyway! :D


That's so funny, I was thinking the same thing as I was painting it, and it was looking so good under there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 5.0 tbird on January 24, 2009, 01:58:16 PM
Nice job, this car is gonna be amazing when it's done I can tell.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 24, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
"Priceless", yes amazing.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 27, 2009, 05:47:57 PM
today I got some upgrade parts.
got this and my rear spring isolators  so far this week.
just waiting on the springs, and I'll have everything to put it back together.

I found my little Ranger to be most useful so far.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4962.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4963.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4964.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4965.jpg)

A little blasting and some paint, It'll be like new again.

OK, I really didn't have any exciting pictures today, unless you think spring isolators are exciting. :hick:

not a lot happening on the car since friday, but I just ran the gas line today to connect the furnace in the garage this week. I'll be wearing shorts to work on the car now. LOL ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 27, 2009, 06:19:09 PM
Hey Jerry,you have a really nice rear end there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 27, 2009, 06:24:36 PM
You can have the straps to.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 27, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
I was going to sent them back to you too
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on January 27, 2009, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: daminc;253924
today I got some upgrade parts.
got this and my rear spring isolators  so far this week.
just waiting on the springs, and I'll have everything to put it back together.


A little blasting and some paint, It'll be like new again.

OK, I really didn't have any exciting pictures today, unless you think spring isolators are exciting. :hick:

not a lot happening on the car since friday, but I just ran the gas line today to connect the furnace in the garage this week. I'll be wearing shorts to work on the car now. LOL ;)
I find disc brake rears exciting, does that count?  Keep it up! :jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on January 27, 2009, 08:39:51 PM
better then a leaky rear :shakeass: :toilet:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 28, 2009, 08:52:16 AM
What's all of that brown stuff all over your rear?You're going to have to wipe all of that off.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 28, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
I was wondering the same thing!! It wasn't there when it left.
I even pessure washed it. Plus it was draining for days. Did you spill coffe on it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on January 28, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
You guys are a riot.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on January 28, 2009, 05:38:33 PM
A riot?No way,we're serious..................maybe not.LOL.

Have you cleaned your rear yet?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on January 29, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;254157
A riot?No way,we're serious..................maybe not.LOL.

Have you cleaned your rear yet?


I've cleaned my rear several times a day.

When I was taking auto in school, I spent about a week and a couple of hours just cleaning a rear with a wire brush. It was a long week.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 01, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Small update today.
Did a little more painting. mainly inside the upper spring, and torque boxes.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4966.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4967.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4968.jpg)

I'll probably put another coat on everything under the back end tomorrow, and start working on the new rear.
So yes, things have slowed down on the car progress, but I have an excuse.
I ran gas line, and installed a furnace last week. I hate being cold when I work.
Not bad for free. ;) (Need to do more cleaning too)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4969.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 03, 2009, 03:59:38 PM
Wheres the heat come in ? I see circles are they all open?.
Did you here gas went up!. Not that there not much more of an option.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 03, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
Are we there yet.....?

I can honestly say that after this project I will never see any reason to scrap my car.:bowdown:  It would literally have the front bumper touching the rear. Even then I think it would be a cool lawn ornament.... Yeah so what if my family was from Arkansas.....:mullet:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 03, 2009, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;255094
Wheres the heat come in ? I see circles are they all open?.
Did you here gas went up!. Not that there not much more of an option.


the circles are open. I didn't put any diffusers on them.
I'll eventually put some runs to the other side before it gets insulated better and drywalled.

did some seam sealing before the finish coat goes on.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4972.jpg)

Yes, I'm working my way to the front
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4973.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4974.jpg)

painted the rear today also...
Like my little cart? and............. Damn this thing is heavy!!!!!
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4970.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4971.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4975.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 03, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
That silver would look real nice under a black car.....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 03, 2009, 07:06:53 PM
You know you have to put new lines on it? That looks good silver.
You changing axels there still rusty? I'm messin with you.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 03, 2009, 07:19:00 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;255129
You know you have to put new lines on it? That looks good silver.
You changing axels there still rusty? I'm messin with you.


Yea, I was keeping the lines on until I get the new ones, so I can follow the bends.
Not changing axles, I'm just getting to them.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 03, 2009, 07:30:14 PM
Ok, lookin good.
Title: I got a question?
Post by: daminc on February 03, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
I got a stupid question?
will my 14" rims fit on this TC rear? or will the calipers hit?
It's just temporary to roll it around.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 03, 2009, 11:03:02 PM
They should. Knew a guy running 14" slicks on a TC rear
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Quietleaf on February 03, 2009, 11:40:44 PM
Iffy. When I bought Jim's TC wheel up at Reading I gave him my factory-original 14" full spare since he needed it to be able to send the car to the JY. The wheel wouldn't go on without pulling the caliper. It was a front wheel, but I figure it shouldn't matter.

(Since I was going to 11" brakes I needed a spare that would fit over them, and his TC wheel fit the bill).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 04, 2009, 04:19:26 AM
Thats not a stupid ?, I know the front with 11" brakes won't, don't know about the rear.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 04, 2009, 06:55:17 AM
That's some nice work.Making more progress is always good.I know it's been covered,but your car is gonna be 4000 pounds.LOL..I made brake lines for mine some time ago with "sticks" of tubing from Autozone.Turned out really nice,and the tubing was uber cheap.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 04, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;255186
That's some nice work.Making more progress is always good.I know it's been covered,but your car is gonna be 4000 pounds.LOL..I made brake lines for mine some time ago with "sticks" of tubing from Autozone.Turned out really nice,and the tubing was uber cheap.


I don't see how it could weigh that much, but you never know.
I was thinking the same with the lines. My father in law has the flaring tools and bender for them
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2009, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: daminc;255163
I got a stupid question?
will my 14" rims fit on this TC rear? or will the calipers hit?
It's just temporary to roll it around.



I think that it will hit it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 04, 2009, 07:41:43 PM
I'll just leave the calipers off for now. It's not like I'm driving it around.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 04, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
Just don't step on the brakes :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on February 04, 2009, 08:13:21 PM
:hick: No more putting the feet through the floor to stop either
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on February 04, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
I think the front are a true 11", and require a 15 inch rim. The stock 15" rims came on mustangs, including gt's. The gt's are where we get 11" brakes, so yeah.

I don't think the rears are any bigger then a 10" brake drum, so I would think it would fit, but I'm not totally sure. I had 10" drums with a 14" rim, but drums don't have calipers.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 05, 2009, 04:08:18 PM
Survey Says YES
14s fit on a 8.8 with a 1/2" to spare.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4985.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4986.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4984.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 05, 2009, 04:36:00 PM
I thought they might but wasn't sure.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: blu84302 on February 05, 2009, 04:57:51 PM
14's won't fit on a lincoln mark vii rear.  I know that from experience.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 05, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
Aren't they 5 lug to start with?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Tbird232ci on February 05, 2009, 08:17:18 PM
The 84-90 Mark VII uses much larger brakes in the rear.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 06, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
Just doing a little more painting.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4987.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4988.jpg)

Did a bunch of pounding on the dust shields to make them look normal again. They were pretty mangled
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4989.jpg)
I'll probably get to put a 2nd coat of paint on everything tomorrow.
And mabe install the battle boxes if things go good.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 06, 2009, 04:57:23 PM
Sorry, they were that way. They look good now!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 07, 2009, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;255581
Sorry, they were that way. They look good now!


Wasn't worried about them, there's no way to put that thing down, and not mangle them without taking them off anyway.
Those shields are built for a tank. never seen anything so thick before.
I'm also kinda digging the 2 tone paint. I wasn't sure about it when I did it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 07, 2009, 10:12:59 AM
It will look good under the car with all the new parts.
I was happy when mine went in.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 07, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
Battle box time
BTW.... they suck to put in

this is where the hole should be
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4993.jpg)

so I had to add a little
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4994.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4996.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4997.jpg)

then painted them
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5002.jpg)

While those were drying, I had to do a little modifying on these
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5003.jpg)

Then had 1 hell of a time installing them
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5004.jpg)

Here's where the new hole is now
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5005.jpg)

This was before the new hole was drilled
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_4999.jpg)

Here's an inside view of the backing plates
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5006.jpg)

I don't recommend installing these unless you can do some modifying and welding
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Clayton on February 07, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
you can bend brakeline with your hands man. those tools are garbage. flaring tools are good, but the damn bending tools are junk... I'd rather use a bix end wrench and my hands :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on February 07, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
where were those bought from?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 07, 2009, 09:24:05 PM
They're wild rides Battle boxes.. for a mustang
I battled all day with those damn things.
I guess it could have been worse.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on February 07, 2009, 09:44:57 PM
Could you say we'd be better off making our own instead?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 07, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
The entire kit cost $60 bolts and all.
probably be worth while to mod the kit. the lowers have an angle on them that fit perfectly on ours. Just needed to add an inch to the bottoms. a little grinding on the upper plates and some hammer smashing to make them fit better.
Seems the upper section of floor has more curve on a mustang. nothing a little more hammering didn't solve for the inside upper plates.
also... the bolts just made it on the uppers. had to leave the locking washers off to get the nuts to thread. I may tack weld them to keep them from loosening.
I also had to redrill a couple new holes through the upper boxes to get the kit to line up. 1 hole, through about 4 thicknesses of metal

to sum it up.........
knowing this info, it would be easy with the kit. Going in blind not knowing any of this probably added 4-5 hrs to my install.
the 2nd side went a lot faster then the first. mabe less then half the time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on February 07, 2009, 11:05:40 PM
OK, that makes sense.  I was under the impression they were more expensive.  thanks.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 08, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
Today I finished up the battle boxes.
I'm not planning on racing, but for the amount of rust that was on my car, and all the floor replacing, I decided it was best to put these in. You never know........
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5009.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5010.jpg)

Here's a better view underneath
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5011.jpg)

 The rusty bolt is just to line up the holes
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5012.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5013.jpg)

All sealed and ready to paint
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5014.jpg)


Next on the list is tank brackets
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5016.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5017.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5018.jpg)

The area where the strap fastens to the bracket isn't on yet.
I have an idea about that, and I'm going to wait until I put the tank up to make sure they're in the correct place on the bracket.

That's all for today...
Installing the rear should be the next project. The springs are on the way. Of course I have to put another coat of paint under there first.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 08, 2009, 02:48:04 PM
There's a couple of hours of light left, don't quit yet!
I can say I touched that car!. I think I'm special!.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on February 08, 2009, 05:41:23 PM
Frickin sweet jerry,you again are da MAN..
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daboss351 on February 09, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
Sweet man!!!
I need to do a set of those battle boxes, I think one of mines bent from my accident....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 09, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
LOL All that welding and you left the seat belts in. You're either that skilled at welding or very brave. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 09, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Amazing! Just like every time I look at it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on February 09, 2009, 01:08:10 PM
Yeah what a job this thing's gonna be just bombproof when it's done. If it ever even develops a SPECK of rust IM gonna be pissed nevermind you jerry :rollin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
LOL
Eric, I couldn't get those bolts to budge, so I said forget it.
I can't believe I didn't start anything on fire either.
The package tray carpet and the headliner are still in too. Not to mention the drivers seat was still in while I did the entire passenger side.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 01:24:37 PM
And to answer the question.
"Lucky" is the word were looking for.  :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 09, 2009, 01:33:36 PM
What's funny is that all you need to do is heat up the bolts from underneath the car with a torch, while someone else is inside the car cranking away with the Torx bit. Bolts will come right out then.

Unless the seat belts catch on fire first...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 09, 2009, 01:34:08 PM
YES!

I cant find the "track" comment in here but Im sure most of you remember someone suggested tank tracks.

I have the solution to everything! Oddly enough it comes from a post of Jerry's

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=22562
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 03:51:16 PM
I heated the outer bolts up to get them out, but I got some warpage and melting on the belt plastic covers, so I didn't chance melting the inners. I wasn't replacing anything around there anyway.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
Today's update
finished painting today. Just need to replace the lines and take the rest of the driveshaft off. Also need new lug bolts.
I wire wheeled the end of the shaft, and used pickelx to protect it from rusting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5019.jpg)

So now that I took the time to remove and paint the sway bar, I got to ask............... Will it fit using CHE arms? Or do I need to make something to connect them together?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5020.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 09, 2009, 06:11:09 PM
It will bolt right up.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 09, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Quote from: daminc;255945
Today I finished up the battle boxes.
I'm not planning on racing, but for the amount of rust that was on my car, and all the floor replacing, I decided it was best to put these in. You never know........
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5009.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5010.jpg)

Here's a better view underneath
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5011.jpg)

 The rusty bolt is just to line up the holes
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5012.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5013.jpg)

All sealed and ready to paint
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5014.jpg)


Next on the list is tank brackets
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5016.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5017.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5018.jpg)

The area where the strap fastens to the bracket isn't on yet.
I have an idea about that, and I'm going to wait until I put the tank up to make sure they're in the correct place on the bracket.

That's all for today...
Installing the rear should be the next project. The springs are on the way. Of course I have to put another coat of paint under there first.


Is it possible to make the passenger side tank bracket smaller (ie like the driver's side bracket)? The reason I ask is because a 2.5" diameter tail pipe is a tough fit around the stock bracket. Ask me how I know :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 07:09:10 PM
How much? It's about an inch over from where the old one was. As far as I can tell
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on February 09, 2009, 08:08:58 PM
Rear sway bolts right up with a nut and bolt.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 08:58:49 PM
Cool, thanks guys
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 09, 2009, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: daminc;256133
How much? It's about an inch over from where the old one was. As far as I can tell


That *may* be ok then. Being that the passenger side bracket is wider I had to put a 3/8" dimple in the top of the exhaust pipe. I'm trying to remember where the tank strap bolts on the bracket. The last time I messed with the tank was almost 2 years ago when I changed the fuel pump and I did the exhaust last year. I may have to crawl under the car and take a look for you. It may also depend on what brand of tail pipes you get. I used 2.5" mandral bent tail pipes from Dynomax because, well, they were the cheapest ones I could get :hick:

Oh and since you're putting a 5.0 HO in the car you did remember to get a new (at least 110 lph) fuel pump for it right?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 09, 2009, 09:32:20 PM
I may be bending my own pipes.

I got a pump and SD computer too
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 10, 2009, 06:56:02 PM
[SIZE="6"]Finish coat!!!!!![/SIZE]

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5023.jpg)

And some springs....
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5021.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 10, 2009, 08:47:56 PM
HEY !!! Are those the springs I sent?Man,they look great.LOL.And just think,untouched and 22 years old.Those Oklahoma parts look pretty good,huh?Front springs and quads coming to you.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 10, 2009, 08:52:32 PM
You the man, Vinnie
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 10, 2009, 08:53:26 PM
You only say that because it's true.LOL.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 13, 2009, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;256269
You only say that because it's true.LOL.LOL.

 
OK I just puked!!, Wheres the pics, its been 3 days. I need my fix.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 13, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Settle down, settle down.
Here they are...................
Did anyone ever think the underneath of my car would look like this?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5029.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5030.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5032.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5033.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 13, 2009, 05:48:49 PM
Relief! thanks. Lookin good with the che's
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 13, 2009, 06:58:09 PM
Those control arms actually look like crap under there.I expected a lot more from you.I'll go ahead and give you half what you paid for them just to help you out.I'm cool like that.Other than that,awesome.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on February 13, 2009, 08:17:14 PM
Damn man you did a hell of a job under there!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on February 13, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Jerry the question is, did you ever think the underside of your car would look like that???
LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on February 13, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;256160
....  It may also depend on what brand of tail pipes you get. I used 2.5" mandral bent tail pipes from Dynomax because, well, they were the cheapest ones I could get :hick:

Oh and since you're putting a 5.0 HO in the car you did remember to get a new (at least 110 lph) fuel pump for it right?


that is correct, it has to do with brand too... I am running 2.5" Flowmaster tips with no issues.  and believe it or not....  I am using the stock  302SO fuel pump....  BUT i do recommend swapping a bigger pump... I just cant be bothered to drop the tank till I am ready to fix my tank mounts properly....:D :hick:

I am occasionally getting a lean backfire after winding out first a bit then hitting the throttle in second, so I am thinking it is getting close to time for the tank to drop...

Sorry for the Hijack Jerry, car looks great, keep it up.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 13, 2009, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: dominator;256672
Jerry the question is, did you ever think the underside of your car would look like that???
LOL.


I really didn't expect it to look like that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 14, 2009, 03:25:44 AM
When I said that rear would look good under a black car I meant my car.... But it looks amazing under there. This is a thread that we are going to see on other forums eventually. After they see what you did it will spread like wildfire.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 14, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: DVP;256739
When I said that rear would look good under a black car I meant my car.... But it looks amazing under there. This is a thread that we are going to see on other forums eventually. After they see what you did it will spread like wildfire.


LoL,
The places I go to, this is nothing for them...
Not so sure about the wildfire thing... but it's nice to be noticed. ;)
Thanks for the compliments.

[SIZE="5"]Eric, I sent you an important PM[/SIZE]

LOL
Today I got the wheels back on.
Does this look freakishly low to anyone?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5034.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5036.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 14, 2009, 05:32:16 PM
It looks freakishly good to me,but that's just me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: blu84302 on February 14, 2009, 05:44:30 PM
I think it looks fine.  If anything maybe a bit to high for my taste. :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 14, 2009, 06:11:08 PM
Don't forget that there's no gas tank on the car either
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on February 14, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
looking good !!!

it kinda has that Terminator look.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 14, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
You need to buff your Delorean. It looks dull...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on February 15, 2009, 12:09:12 AM
What springs are in the rear????
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 15, 2009, 07:02:41 AM
I sent them to jerry.They came from my Blue Thunderbird.

Jerry,if they are too low for you,let me know and I can grab a set from the yard for you.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 15, 2009, 08:30:21 AM
Should of got the che ajustable's could put it where you want.
Did you put the isolators in?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 15, 2009, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;256900
I sent them to jerry.They came from my Blue Thunderbird.

Jerry,if they are too low for you,let me know and I can grab a set from the yard for you.


We'll see what it looks like with those front lowering springs first.
It might be alright.

I was just wondering about the height. Mine sat pretty high before.

Here's a nice comparison pic.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3547.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/rear%20end/IMG_5036.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 15, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;256901
Should of got the che ajustable's could put it where you want.
Did you put the isolators in?


yep they're in one of the previous pics (they're Red)

these springs are 1 coil shorter then the old ones I took out
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on February 15, 2009, 09:10:07 AM
I can't wait to see this thing done.  Its amazing what you have accomplished thus far...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 15, 2009, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: daminc;256903
yep they're in one of the previous pics (they're Red)

these springs are 1 coil shorter then the old ones I took out

It's easy enough to change the springs if they drop to much when loaded.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 15, 2009, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;256907
It's easy enough to change the springs if they drop to much when loaded.


My thoughts exactly.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 15, 2009, 09:50:29 AM
The comparison pic, is that before or after the tank frame install? lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 15, 2009, 10:48:21 AM
after
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 15, 2009, 02:49:22 PM
I did the flip today. Time to start the front.
And Springs are not my big worry right now anyway. They can always be changed.
The front should go a lot better. There's not a lot of underside like the back end.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5037.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 15, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
Springs for the front and quads on the way !!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Clayton on February 15, 2009, 11:09:38 PM
you choose a color for her yet?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 15, 2009, 11:58:39 PM
Black
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 16, 2009, 03:40:26 AM
Quote from: daminc;257045
Black


Great choice. So I guess that rear IS going to look good under a black car even if it isnt mine lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Clayton on February 16, 2009, 10:48:16 PM
any complimentry things like pintripes in mind?

its gonna look dead sexy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on February 16, 2009, 10:56:01 PM
Hey jerry what gears does that rear have in it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 07:30:56 AM
I believe it has 3.73 gears in it, KItz could probably verify that. (if he remembers. LOL)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 07:39:57 AM
Oh, and no stripe. or side moulding in the middle.
Matching painted mirrors and most of the chrome will be blacked out, except for around the windows.

here's a close example..... just add silver turbines under it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/pics012Small.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on February 17, 2009, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: daminc;257226
I believe it has 3.73 gears in it, KItz could probably verify that. (if he remembers. LOL)

Oh wow sick cause I know you're putting an H.O. in it that things gonna be funnnn :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on February 17, 2009, 10:31:40 AM
Makes me wanna start tearing into mine....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 17, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
That black cat looks familiar. the turbines will fill the wheel well better than that pic, They were little 17". Yeh its 373 gears.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 17, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
Jerry,are you excited to see tha paint applied?Are you doing it or having it done?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 05:36:49 PM
I'll paint it myself. It'll be the 2nd time for that car. (that's why I have to strip it) For a while there I was painting 1 or 2 a year for my father-in-law. LOL
He would buyem, fixem, and sellem.

And honestly, seeing paint under my car got me excited
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Post by: Kitz Kat on February 17, 2009, 05:44:34 PM
Your still insane.lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;257324
Your still insane.lol


But in a good way

LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on February 17, 2009, 06:26:30 PM
Jerry, Is the black paint gonna look something like our Cougar had painted on it ??
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
yep.
I'm also going to cut/ buff it like my last car to get that nice mirror finish
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on February 17, 2009, 06:40:40 PM
Jerry, Good Luck and keep up the great work. :headbang:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Rcarder407 on February 17, 2009, 06:56:01 PM
Jerry, its looking good, keep it up. After you get done your Cougar Ill send you my sport to work on. All it needs is the new quarter panel I have put on. lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 07:09:41 PM
I already have a waiting list for projects, but I can add you too. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Rcarder407 on February 17, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
Im going do it myself as soon as spring comes and I find a better welder. Have you ever tried that metal to metal bonding glue? I thought about trying it out if I cant find a good welder.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 07:20:07 PM
I hear it works great, but sometimes you get a line where the seam isn't hidden. Only in certain lights I guess. and you can't use it on structural stress points on a panel either.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 17, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: Rcarder407;257352
Im going do it myself as soon as spring comes and I find a better welder. Have you ever tried that metal to metal bonding glue? I thought about trying it out if I cant find a good welder.

I've been messin with a cheap 110v  lincoln wire  feeder,
I'm impressed what it can do.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Rcarder407 on February 17, 2009, 07:57:00 PM
I have an old wire feed welder but even on the lower setting and moving fast it still burns through sheet metal. :mad:
Im trying to find someone around me with a TIG welder.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 17, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;257359
I've been messin with a cheap 110v  lincoln wire  feeder,
I'm impressed what it can do.


I've got a 110v lincoln. works great with the gas mix
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 17, 2009, 08:31:33 PM
On my lower rear passenger side 1/4 panel,it had a crease in from the wheelwell to the lower corner of the car near the bumper.I got a "new" panel,cut off the unnecessary metal,made a "skin" out of it,and used body panel adhesive to attach it to the car over the damaged area..It's solid,and is never coming off.The body lines are just right,and it didn't stick out past the bumper cover.No-one that has seen the car up close can tell I did that work,even after I tell them.GOOD stuff.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 19, 2009, 02:28:29 PM
I Need A Fix!! Help me out brother.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ~AC on February 19, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
daminic.. since your going with a black paint job.. if it does, infact, come out like glass over that drivers side quarter panel.. MUCH RESPECT.  body work + black paint = TRICKY.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 19, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: ~AC;257691
daminic.. since your going with a black paint job.. if it does, infact, come out like glass over that drivers side quarter panel.. MUCH RESPECT.  body work + black paint = TRICKY.

I have seen the 1/4's on and felt them, and I was impressed with no distortions, I do believe he will make it look fine.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 19, 2009, 06:43:07 PM
Yea, the quarters came out  almost perfectly straight
here's a shot with the light on it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3549.jpg)

and when the filling is done this will fill the imperfections when blocked flat. this stuff can add an 1/8" of fill in a couple coats if needed.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/IMG_4872.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: pegasus on February 19, 2009, 06:50:48 PM
hey hey hey

Quote
3  There will be absolutely no nudity tolerated in any image, whether it is hosted on your server or ours. Our web host has a strict no-nudes policy and we honour it. Scantily-clad women in your avatars are included in the ban if they are offensive


get some paint on that quick:D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on February 20, 2009, 11:43:28 AM
i also touched the drivers side 1/4. and  i also can voutch for its straightness. and i have a 88 TC model at home that is flat black with black interior and ironicly is almost what jerry is doing to his.
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Post by: daminc on February 20, 2009, 08:15:55 PM
Here's a better view. the distortion is minimal along the weld, as you can see here.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Rockers%20and%20quarters/IMG_3539.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 20, 2009, 08:44:53 PM
Project "Evolution Rrrrrrevolution".Nice welding my friend.I have no doubt that the Cougar will be almost as cool my Sport.LOL.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ~AC on February 21, 2009, 05:20:28 AM
ah i see.. i was worried when i saw the picture where the 1/4 is down to metal completely.  you can see the weld line, but instead of distortion like i thought i saw, it looks good enough that you wont use much filler.  you defiantly have my respect!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 21, 2009, 04:55:11 PM
I did some blasting today, after I removed the wiring
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5043.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5044.jpg)

Here's the drivers side
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5045.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5046.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5047.jpg)

I guess I also need to fix this
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5048.jpg)

It's not as bad as I figured. I'll be welding new metal for extra support, and smoothing everything out.

Today's big question......... Where do I disconnect the lower line for the air conditioning that goes through the firewall?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 21, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: baxo;257990
It would be the same distance for eu to the peace bridge. It's 30 mind to my house from where he is.


LOL
Is the question sealed inside a mayonnaise jar?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on February 21, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
Haha freaking iPhone and its auto complete.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 21, 2009, 05:27:42 PM
The lower A/C line disconnects right at the firewall. That big "ring" shaped thing is the connection. You need a special A/C line disconnect tool. Stick the tool into the ring to spread the spring inside it, then pull the line away. IIRC the spring is on the side facing the firewal, so you have to stick the tool in from that side.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 21, 2009, 05:33:44 PM
Thanks, I'll se if I can borrow one
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Post by: HAVI on February 21, 2009, 05:33:37 PM
And if you don't have the tool, buy the plastic assortment of sizes ones from the part store.  They seem to work better than the two sided metal ones.  Snap the plastic one on, put a bigger open end wrench next to it, and give the wrench a whack with a hammer.  Should pop right in.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on February 22, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: Cougar8775;257840
i also touched the drivers side 1/4.

Rather than people having to drive to NY to pay homage to Project Evolution, I think Jerry should travel to our houses and share his magic touch. He could make stops across the country and "lay his hand" on our cars. "I am daminc, I command you to cast out the evil that is rust and replace it with the wholesome goodness that is shiny paint!!"
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Post by: Kitz Kat on February 22, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: daminc;257997
Thanks, I'll se if I can borrow one

How did you disconnect your fuel lines? The plastic disconnect tool pack is cheap and handy to have.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 22, 2009, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;258092
How did you disconnect your fuel lines? The plastic disconnect tool pack is cheap and handy to have.


the fuel lines had a locking tab on them. I just pulled it out to disconnect them.
where do i get this connector tool?
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Post by: Kitz Kat on February 22, 2009, 02:58:07 PM
Just about any parts store.
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Post by: Jim_Miller on February 22, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
And I hope you have better luck than I did... there are several differant styles out there.. Google
"A/C Line Quick Disconnect Tool"
 
I have tried
http://www.hermanscentral.com/product/otc-6538-4-pc-ac-line-quick-disconnect-tool-set-17532.cfm
 
and
 
http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdengi04.html
3290 — Ford Air Conditioning and Fuel Line Spring Lock Coupling Tool
 
Here is a sweet Video showing the simple plastic ones
http://www.ehow.com/video_2327788_ford-explorer-mercury-mountaineer-disconnecting.html
 
 
Now when I had to do mine however... after 4 hours fighting All the above tools and the damn thing still not coming apart... I ended up using This tool..
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=3627&BASE
 
worked great.. few secounds and it was off..
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Post by: vinnietbird on February 22, 2009, 05:03:15 PM
I went to Autozone and bought mine for $9.00.they have them just hanging on the shelf.
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Post by: Haystack on February 22, 2009, 05:05:50 PM
I've used the last one on the ac lines. I got a small plastic tool. It looks like a flat circle with a small raised ridge in the center around the hole. It worked really well on both ac and fuel lines. I think it may have came with the first one in your post, jim.
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Post by: daminc on February 22, 2009, 11:37:35 PM
Thanks guys, I'll be getting one tomorrow.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 23, 2009, 06:14:03 PM
Got me some of those plastic locking ring dis-connector thingys for thr ac lines......... worked great.
just clip it around the tubing.
push it into the connector.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5049.jpg)

and pull it apart.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5050.jpg)

and oh damn, a hole
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5051.jpg)

so I decided to pull the bumper shocks off to.
What the heck. Why not. Looks like were into a full rebuild of the car anyway.
And that radiator support isn't looking very good either.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5053.jpg)

[SIZE="4"]Helloooooo.........[/SIZE]
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5052.jpg)

Looks like I have to either replace, or rebuild this one.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5054.jpg)

Well I didn't do much today, but as always, I had fun.
I tried to find some spring compressors that would work on the front end, but didn't have any luck. I'm thinking about making one out of threaded rod and some steel plates to remove the front springs. I don't know it I have enough balls to lower the arm to get them out without something going through the center of the spring in case it launches. Mabe 25 years ago I would've, but not anymore.
That's all for today.
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Post by: DVP on February 23, 2009, 06:24:04 PM
It looks like it was starting to buckle. I forgot you still had the front to do. Almost there. Almost to 100 pages too
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Post by: daminc on February 23, 2009, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: DVP;258288
It looks like it was starting to buckle.


Rad support?
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Post by: Kitz Kat on February 23, 2009, 06:47:17 PM
Nice gloves,lol no wonder your hands look so pretty. I know you play the strings. Do you want my spring comp. send it back when your done with it.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 23, 2009, 06:51:17 PM
If the springs are anything like the springs on 99% of the other Fox cars out there you don't have to worry about them flying out anyway - the bottom coil will be broken off :hick:

I didn't use a spring compressor when I did mine. I bought one, but it didn't fit the car, so I didn't use it. The Mach 1 springs went in easily without a compressor, too (but the TC springs I had in before 'em were a bitch)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 23, 2009, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;258295
Nice gloves,lol no wonder your hands look so pretty. I know you play the strings. Do you want my spring comp. send it back when your done with it.


OK, It's a deal. send it on over.
I didn't have the heat on when I opened up the AC lines. It was about 20 deg in there today. Usually I wear the rubber gloves. ;)
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Post by: Kitz Kat on February 23, 2009, 07:05:24 PM
Pussy,Lol, I can get it out to you tomorrow, no hurry to send it back.
I rip them out bye hand.lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on February 23, 2009, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;258303
Pussy,Lol, I can get it out to you tomorrow, no hurry to send it back.
I rip them out bye hand.lol.
Pussy, LoL, I use my teeth! :hick:  <---SEE
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Post by: Kitz Kat on February 23, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Your more of man than me! Get it to you bubba.
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Post by: vinnietbird on February 23, 2009, 08:33:50 PM
Broken springs?We don't get those in Oklahoma.Even after 20 years,they look great.
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Post by: daminc on February 23, 2009, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;258321
Broken springs?We don't get those in Oklahoma.Even after 20 years,they look great.


Show off
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Post by: DVP on February 23, 2009, 11:18:20 PM
Quote from: daminc;258294
Rad support?


Yeah, if you draw a line straight down from the bend on the sway bar on the pass side in the pic. It looks like right in the middle of the big rust spot (sure that helped).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 23, 2009, 11:39:25 PM
Quote from: DVP;258344
Yeah, if you draw a line straight down from the bend on the sway bar on the pass side in the pic. It looks like right in the middle of the big rust spot (sure that helped).


LOL
I pushed it with my boot before I took the pic..
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 24, 2009, 06:58:49 AM
Quote from: daminc;258323
Show off

Hey Buddy,you're gettin' some of that spring action !!! LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 24, 2009, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;258372
Hey Buddy,you're gettin' some of that spring action !!! LOL.


LOL
Your right.
I got some stuff today.
A little front spring action, and a little fuel tank strap action. :D
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_5055.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 24, 2009, 05:58:24 PM
Woo-Hoo !!!! Springage !!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 24, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
Thanks Vinnie
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 24, 2009, 07:44:02 PM
So THAT'S what springs that haven't been exposed to 20 years of Nova Scotia salt look like...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 24, 2009, 10:43:12 PM
I had no idea either. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 26, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
more blasting today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5056.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5057.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5058.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5059.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5060.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5061.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 26, 2009, 06:08:37 PM
Good time to drop in a tubular K. Buddy just got one for his drag mustang. They are crazy light.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 26, 2009, 06:19:06 PM
Nice blastin'.

I've thought of installing a tubular K-Member,but after the 5 speed and everything else installed or removed,it raised my car like I was going off road.I'm stayin' where I am.BUT,if you're planning on it eventually,DVP is right,now's the time.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 26, 2009, 06:21:13 PM
What kind?
What type?
My birthday is coming soon. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 26, 2009, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: daminc;258730
What kind?
What type?
My birthday is coming soon. ;)


Think he went UPR. I know his control arms were UPR
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 26, 2009, 07:39:57 PM
What year swaps with my 87?
or would I have to swap everything down to the rotors?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 26, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
Quote from: daminc;258748
What year swaps with my 87?
or would I have to swap everything down to the rotors?

There is a little work that needs to be done to make it fit. There should be some old threads around. There is one about having a run of them made for our cars that have alot of info IIRC. You sould be able to re use all your stock parts but I am not totally sure.

You will have to go to Mustang motor mount I bet.

Your motor should also sit lower. The stock Mustang K sets the motor lower from what I have heard so so should this one. Lower center of gravity, thats a plus
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on February 26, 2009, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: DVP;258759
There is a little work that needs to be done to make it fit. There should be some old threads around. There is one about having a run of them made for our cars that have alot of info IIRC. You sould be able to re use all your stock parts but I am not totally sure.

You will have to go to Mustang motor mount I bet.

Your motor should also sit lower. The stock Mustang K sets the motor lower from what I have heard so so should this one. Lower center of gravity, thats a plus


on my year it raised it 1" another reason I had to get the cowl hood
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 27, 2009, 12:11:15 AM
Quote from: 347Thunder;258779
on my year it raised it 1" another reason I had to get the cowl hood

Really? I am not totally sure about the whole dropping thing. It is hearsay from here though. I am going to find those old threads so I dont look so crazy

EDIT

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=18783&highlight=member.

Seems to have some good stuff and the links too.


Oh and you could go coilovers if you feel the need too!

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=862&highlight=K-Member

****

Here is a list of options too. Im sure prices have changed but still a good source of info.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on February 27, 2009, 06:53:49 AM
Quote from: DVP;258793
Really? I am not totally sure about the whole dropping thing. It is hearsay from here though. I am going to find those old threads so I dont look so crazy

EDIT

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=18783&highlight=member.

Seems to have some good stuff and the links too.


Oh and you could go coilovers if you feel the need too!

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=862&highlight=K-Member

****

Here is a list of options too. Im sure prices have changed but still a good source of info.


all I know is my hood closed before and after the k member it did not :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 27, 2009, 08:45:55 AM
hmmmm...
I'm thinking it's probably not worth the time and expense right now for something that I may only put 500 miles on in a year. (if that)
I'll just use the stock parts and new bolts and sleeves and stuff to put it back together. Someday if I do it, it'll make things easier for the swap. I really don't want to turn the front end into a major project. I really want to repair it to get it back together quickly. There's still a lot to do and Catjam gets closer everyday.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on February 27, 2009, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: 347Thunder;258809
all I know is my hood closed before and after the k member it did not :D


I think it depends on which one you get. I could still be wrong on that though. I read that some of them even move the front wheels forward.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 27, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
Jerry, no need now to do it. Maybe when you build the other motor for it Then yeh go for it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 27, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;258833
Jerry, no need now to do it. Maybe when you build the other motor for it Then yeh go for it.


Good idea, I didn't think of that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on February 27, 2009, 01:56:27 PM
With what you got goin on its not hard to forget where your at.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 27, 2009, 05:37:59 PM
Started to do the nasty,
Here's just some random pics and things that need to be repaired while I was working today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5062.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5064.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5065.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5066.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5067.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5068.jpg)

Had to cut the bolts off
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5069.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5071.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5072.jpg)

Some pics of my broken springs
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5073.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5074.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5075.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5076.jpg)


I should be able to finish taking everything apart sometime this weekend if evertthing goes good
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on February 27, 2009, 08:44:51 PM
You taking the k member off jerry?????
Was thinking since you've gone this far...... might as well do everything.
Replace or at least check and clean up the k-member bolts and rust proof the frame rail where it rests up on the k-memeber.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 27, 2009, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: dominator;258867
You taking the k member off jerry?????
Was thinking since you've gone this far...... might as well do everything.
Replace or at least check and clean up the k-member bolts and rust proof the frame rail where it rests up on the k-memeber.


Yep, Everything's coming apart and off. New bolts, sleeves, and added reinforcing where all the weld joints, and stress points are. And of course repairing the holes. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 27, 2009, 10:30:24 PM
I'm so proud of you (get's all teary eyed).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 27, 2009, 10:42:47 PM
LOL, I'm gonna rebuild it Oklahoma style. (rust free)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 27, 2009, 10:50:03 PM
Yeeeeee-Haaaaaaaw !!!!!!!! LOL.Seriously,I think you've done a great job on a car that most others would have discarded.I feel the same about my Sport.It was a salvage yard geting ready for the crusher.Now,by no means was it in the condition yours was,but,it did need a ton of work.You gotta love 'em.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 28, 2009, 03:17:39 PM
Got some more apart today
I tried the spring compressor, but the springs had so many breaks in them and so compressed that there was almost no space on the insides of the springs to get the compressor on.
So I did it the manly way. Yep, you guessed it. I used the floor jack.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5077.jpg)

And here's the aftermath
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5078.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5079.jpg)

and the other side
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5080.jpg)

I finally got to use my lug wrench after 20 years.
I used it to pry the springs out. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5081.jpg)

Here's how much shorter the springs are after they broke. This explains so many weird crunching noises up front. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5082.jpg)

a couple random pics of todays work
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5083.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5084.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5085.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5086.jpg)

I can't believe there's still paint in there
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5087.jpg)

So I ended up cutting the top nuts off the struts to get the springs out. I figured it was time to replace them. after all they were still factory. Next is to remove the arms and blast the rest of the front end. Then start the metal work and get it ready for paint.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on February 28, 2009, 03:29:58 PM
Wow.................just wow.I've never sen a rusted broken spring before.That's crazy.As far as the car as a whole,would you say the hardest part is over,and now it's the little stuff?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on February 28, 2009, 04:04:21 PM
The floor and the trunk were the hardest part of the car.
Hunting for parts and panels and doors was the 2nd hardest part of all this. This part of the project is where you start to see that little flicker of light in the tunnel, and know that's the way to head to get to the end. There's not a lot of repairing on the front end, and it's not in an awkward upside down position either. And I still have enough sheetmetal left over to do the repairs also. the rest of the repairs should be a breeze, and the body work and painting is what I'm really good at, so things should start to fly shortly.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on March 01, 2009, 02:09:25 AM
this view will come in handy when doing the v8 fuel lines.  those are the lines running from left under the skirt to the right up into the engine bay.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 01, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
You sure those are stang springs? they look bigger in the pic.
Good job with man handling the springs.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 01, 2009, 08:36:18 AM
I pulled those springs out of the Stang (which was a be-yotch).They didn't have the help to lift the car,so,I had to scrounge around for some scissor jacks (odd,most were gone),and drop the a-frames and yank them out.'99 Stang.I'm installing the same ones in the Sport when weather warms up a little.I'm going to take a couple of extra days off work to mess with the car.Probably next week.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 01, 2009, 08:39:39 AM
don't forget that my spring was broken 3 times and came out of a v-6 car
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 01, 2009, 10:42:45 AM
Ok I see 99 stang.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 01, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
What would be the difference between them and stock springs in my car? anyone know?
Raise it? lower it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 01, 2009, 01:29:20 PM
I heard about a 1.5 inch drop.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 01, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
Oh,if you end up wanting stock springs,mine will be free as soon as I can get a warm day to swap mine out.Yours if you want them.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 01, 2009, 01:32:27 PM
Not sure exactly what you have, if there 99 gt they should be about 400 lb, are's are around 600 lb. I would think it would lower it.
If you remember I went thru this before and I didn't do well with mine. I do think it may drop more than you want, I'm not sure though.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on March 01, 2009, 01:35:17 PM
Whats the overall length of them?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 01, 2009, 04:37:13 PM
14 1/2"
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 01, 2009, 04:57:56 PM
Again, some random pic of removing the rest of the front end.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5088.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5090.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5093.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5094.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5095.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5097.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5098.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5100.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5101.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5106.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5107.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5108.jpg)

It's a lot better then I expected. I thought the entire bottom of the frame would have been gone. I guess it's time to take a little trip to the metal supermarket and get some metal for my frame repair.
It's a little hard to explain how I'm going to repair it, so Everyone will have to wait for the next step in the project. so don't anyone worry. I can rebuild it. ;)
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Post by: vinnietbird on March 01, 2009, 05:11:28 PM
FRom what I've read,the V-6 and GT Mustangs used the same front springs,and if they can hold the weight of the GT alright,then it should work for our cars.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 01, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;259095
FRom what I've read,the V-6 and GT Mustangs used the same front springs,and if they can hold the weight of the GT alright,then it should work for our cars.

Vinnie, we don't have a stang.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 01, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
I understand that,but,the weight is pretty close between the two (I'd bet the Stang is a little heavier).One of the members used them on his 5.0 Bird and they worked great.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on March 01, 2009, 09:07:37 PM
v6 cougars and v-8's have the same part number but there different.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 88fiveo on March 02, 2009, 08:27:48 PM
If someone has watched 101 pages of your work and has ANY doubt you can rebuild it, they need more help than 10 PhD.'s could give them. I have NO doubt you could rebuild a paperclip into a 747...:D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on March 02, 2009, 09:21:46 PM
26 pages for me ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 05, 2009, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: Haystack;259292
26 pages for me ;)

And I need a new fix!! I'm gettin the shakes not seeing an update.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 05, 2009, 06:09:02 PM
LOL
Settle down, I bought some metal today. I'm planning my attack and need to borrow my neighbors plasma cutter this weekend. Crazy stuff is happening, don't you worry.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on March 06, 2009, 03:37:55 AM
i smell the sent of some 2''x 4'' tube steel.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 06, 2009, 07:49:22 AM
Quote from: jcassity;259826
i smell the sent of some 2''x 4'' tube steel.


your sniffer must be a little off today. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 06, 2009, 08:41:30 AM
Armor plating?Bullet proof really is the way to go these days.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 06, 2009, 03:24:25 PM
What kind of paint are you going to do on it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 06, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
Paint?
which part?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 06, 2009, 07:39:33 PM
Just have truck bed liner sprayed all over it instead of painting it.With all of the chassis work,and rubber paint,you'd be unstoppable !!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 06, 2009, 07:50:55 PM
Rubber would be cool, It would save time in the waxing dept.
It would be like driving a giant super ball.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on March 06, 2009, 08:24:01 PM
I went back and looked at the beginning of your project and your car has come a loooooooong way. Keep it up, it make me excited to start mine.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 06, 2009, 08:31:32 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;259946
I went back and looked at the beginning of your project and your car has come a loooooooong way.


I bet that was a long read.
Thanks, I'm glad my little project helps motivate others. Wait till you see the next one after this.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on March 06, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
Jerry, On that next project you need to have a film crew on hand to tape it because you never know who's gonna watch this dude. :poke:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 07, 2009, 05:33:09 AM
Maybe I should of said what type system are you going with.like base and clear or something no ones ever heard of!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 07, 2009, 07:23:34 AM
ahh, I see.
I'm probably going to use BC/CC. I'm going to start with the engine compartment when I'm done fixing it, so the motor can go back in, and I can finish the rest of the body work.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 08, 2009, 08:54:58 AM
Took me 2 years to put my sub frames in yesterday, only melted 1 fuel evap line, but there finally in.A far cry from what your doing or did.
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Post by: vinnietbird on March 08, 2009, 06:28:49 PM
It should be drivable by next week then,right?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 08, 2009, 10:12:30 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;260106
Took me 2 years to put my sub frames in yesterday, only melted 1 fuel evap line, but there finally in.A far cry from what your doing or did.


And I bet you didn't take a picture..............


A couple of pics today. Here's the passenger side frame repair.
So far the other side seems to be Ok.
This side had a little rot underneath the frame, so i decided to cut out the entire end for replacement.
my plan is to replace the frame first, then rebuild the tower and surrounding metal
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5144.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5145.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5146.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5148.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5150.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5152.jpg)

I also had my work inspected today, Seems the back end passes with flying colors, and the front is coming along great.
baxo say's 2 thumbs up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5151.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on March 08, 2009, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: daminc;260206


I also had my work inspected today, [COLOR="Magenta"]Seems the back end passes [/COLOR][COLOR="Magenta"]with flying colors[/COLOR], and the front is coming along great.
baxo say's 2 thumbs up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5151.jpg)


TMI gross:shakeass:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 08, 2009, 10:43:00 PM
Oh, you guys....
Back end of the car. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2009, 12:56:32 AM
Quote from: daminc;260206

Seems the back end passes with flying colors.


Atleast you didnt say my. that would have been a sig quote.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 09, 2009, 05:47:17 AM
No pics of mine, pretty boring stuff, just 2 bars and chuck's seat bracket. I'll leave the serious pics to you.
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Post by: EricCoolCats on March 09, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
Jerry, keep an eye on those Canuckistanis.
There's a reason why they call it "back bacon". ;)
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: daminc;260206
Seems the back end passes with flying colors


:nannerbang: :nannerbang: :disappoin
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Post by: daminc on March 09, 2009, 10:18:22 AM
OK guys, let keep it on track with the project.
It gets a lot of views from other people on the net besides us.
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Post by: baxo on March 09, 2009, 10:47:46 AM
Yeah all joking aside the progress on it is fenominal, considering all the other crazy stuff Jerry gets accomplished during any particular week!
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 12:29:55 PM
Oh yeah. I was saying just the other day its crazy all he has gotten done. I am completely amazed.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 13, 2009, 05:47:53 PM
just to keep everyone up to date.....
I've been remodeling the basement this week. Making a media room, recording studio, and another kitchen/craft room.
so here's a small update. Since the weather was so cold, I didn't bother to try to heat the garage, and I knew the weather would warm up this weekend. So this is all I did. you can kinda get the idea of what I'm doing here.
It was real hard to find the size tubing that I needed that would slip around the original frame and extend up to the sheet metal on the towers, so I have to do a little welding to make it look like the original.
Got everything tacked and ready to go. It's hard to get a good shot of all the angles on the piece.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5153.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5156.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5158.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5157.jpg)
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on March 13, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
Wow, thats nuts!  This car will be really something when its done.  Freakin' awesome fabrication skills man.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 13, 2009, 06:12:06 PM
About time, I was goin to belly ache you for pics.
Your going to need cargo springs at this rate.lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 13, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
Forget springs,just weld the a-frames and rear end stationary.Who needs cushion?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 13, 2009, 06:56:47 PM
Might as well, I doubt there will be any twist in that car.
Wait is there a big block in the future.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 13, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
It should be a bit stronger then the old one. I figured, no sense going all the way, the frame past the wheels pretty much only holds the bumper on. It's 1/8" steel. the original frame only seems to be about 16 ga. ----mabe 15 ga.
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Post by: james cassity on March 14, 2009, 02:34:18 AM
i noticed earlier you kept the metal part on the car that gave you the original orientation of the K member bolt locaitons.

to drill the holes out on the bottom of the angle and find the right spot,  i would insert a magnetic parts pick up tool down through the upper hole and let it stick to the angle iron down inside.
next i would get me a small round refridgerator magnet and attach it to the bottom of the angle iron.  it will center itself on the other magnet. Now you could trace around the refridgerator magnet for the hole location on the bottom and drill straight up.

you gonna reuse the old collers that were inside there or just some other round stock?
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Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 07:36:11 AM
in the 2nd pic, you can see the lines in the metal for the lower holes, they're just centered on the bottom rail and will be easy to locate.
I think I'll be making new sleeves for the inside.
here's some of the old one
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5143.jpg)
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Post by: dominator on March 14, 2009, 08:01:51 AM
Nice work jerry.
I was wondering though,since the metal your installing is over the original frame metal,is it not  going to add to your original ride height and make your front end sit higher?????
I know not by much but it is still going to change it.
When i had my old 88 the bodyshop where i had the front frame rails replaced at made the pieces the same size as the original rails and welded them up against instead of over top,would that not be a better way to do it????
Not knocking you jerry,just askin.
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Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 08:46:38 AM
Chris, I've also been tossing that idea around for a while.
I thought about recessing the bottom of the frame so it would be flush with the original. And then I think, it's only an 1/8" or so and I have these mustang springs that will possibly lower it an 1-1/2, so I've been going back and forth on the frame location.
I also went around the old frame  for 1 main reason. The sides match up flush with the lower frame section, and I only need to weld new gusset plates over both sides of the frame for strength between the old and new frame. the height can really be anywhere I guess, but what I do to one side, I must also do to the other so it matches. (if I even need to repair the other side)
So I guess the answer would be, I'm not really sure what I'm doing yet, so I will consider any comments or suggestions about this.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on March 14, 2009, 08:54:51 AM
I don't think an 1/8" will matter much. I don't think any of our cars are the same height from side to side, I know I'm a 1/2' difference.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;261525
I don't think an 1/8" will matter much. I don't think any of our cars are the same height from side to side, I know I'm a 1/2' difference.


That's a good point. I now for a fact that 1 side of my car is about 1/2" lower then the other in the front when it sits on stands on the original frame. you can also see the space difference where the front frame rail was welded to the lower subframe on each side. I'll see if I can get a pic of that amazing Ford quality control. LOL
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Post by: dominator on March 14, 2009, 09:42:18 AM
It is true about the fox body lean but i think that should more be fixed with adjustable rear control arms not raising the frame on one side and not the other.
Not really sure we should mess with ford's design and try to straighten the frame(even if it is a bit off) as it was factory built as it may cause alignment issues and suspension geometery problems that may be unforseen.
True if you have lowering springs it may not be at all noticeable.
Definetly understandable about the frame strengthening and a good idea as added strength can never hurt a 20yr old frame.
Either way jerry it will work, i was more concerned about the ride height and installed spring height.
It is much more of a pita to make and weld the rails in as factory and probably not as strong.
I definetley know you can do it lol.
It would just be alot more work and what you have looks pretty good already.
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Post by: HAVI on March 14, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
FWIW, when I removed the suspensions from my car and set it on jackstands, I learned two things:  My garage floor is really uneven, and to get the bottom of the car level and straight is near impossible.  I may invest in a frame rack/puller/straightener.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 09:53:36 AM
yea, I'm just going with the flow of how it was originally made. that's probably the reason why the drivers door gap was about 1/2" at the rocker, and the passenger side gap was about 1/8". :hick:
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on March 14, 2009, 10:32:29 AM
So jerry, what happend to the SECRET STUFF!!!!! did i miss some spectacular secrets revealed thread or somthing? lol jk, looks good, cant wait to see the engine bay all smoothed in, and clean looking!!!!and i dont think the 1/8 difference will do anything noticeable.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 10:39:03 AM
Everyone will see the secret stuff on the grand unveiling of the car when it's complete. otherwise it's not secret stuff.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on March 14, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: daminc;261542
yea, I'm just going with the flow of how it was originally made. that's probably the reason why the drivers door gap was about 1/2" at the rocker, and the passenger side gap was about 1/8". :hick:


Hey my driver's door has a 1/8" bigger gap by the rocker than the passenger side. I'm not the only one :hick:  Great quality control eh?

The Cougar is looking good. I think that engine bay needs a 460 ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
I also had about a 1/2" of shims on the top side of one fender. now I know why
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on March 14, 2009, 11:47:53 AM
ahhh i see...... so no pics when that stuff is going on........
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 14, 2009, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;261564
ahhh i see...... so no pics when that stuff is going on........


Sorry, only when completed. Then I'll post the pics of when I was doing it. But they may sneak in without me realizing it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 18, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
So I guess before I can repair the frame, I have to repair the firewall.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5182.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5183.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5184.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5185.jpg)

here are some inside pics under the dash
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5186.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/engine%20compartment/IMG_5187.jpg)

so it's tacked in place for now. I'll finish welding it tomorrow. And just in case you ever thought, "gee, does my head fit up under the dash?"..... The answer is yes.
After your car starts on fire from a straggler piece of sound deadener that you thought had removed. you'll find a way to get your head in there to see if you put it out. :hick:

all is well in the fire area. just a little smoldering.
That's all for today
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Post by: Chooglin on March 18, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
coming along nicely!..............good thing the whole car didnt burn up :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on March 18, 2009, 08:13:13 PM
two words. Acess hole for heater core. Well I guess thats more then two but yeah.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Clayton on March 18, 2009, 10:23:26 PM
tank. this car is going to be a tank

good old project ressurection. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on March 18, 2009, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;262464
tank. this car is going to be a tank

good old project ressurection. ;)

Nice thing is, alot of this applies to any old car and rebuilding.  My old Mercury is gonna require a whole bunch of custom sheet metal.  Referencing this thread will prove that body work and sheet metal replacement is not limited to only classic cars. ;) and should be a confidence builder for anyone thinking they can't try it.    Jerry for inspiration.  :jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 19, 2009, 12:59:00 AM
Jerry,I think you've worked miracles.Perhaps you should get an honorary doctor's M.D. certification.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on March 19, 2009, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;262500
Perhaps you should get an honorary doctor's M.D. certification.

"Hi, my name is Jerry, I'm an M.D. The M.D. is for 'Metal Doctor'."
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on March 19, 2009, 09:14:12 AM
Hey Doc,I can't wait to see this thing ready for an engine and some paint.It's like watching one of those long mini-series on TV.This is way better than those American Chopper type shows.All the cool work without a dumb-A$$ yelling all the time......at least not where we can hear it.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 19, 2009, 09:28:47 AM
No yelling, just a lot of cutting and welding on this car. I'm planning to also do a video series on my next project When that happens (they always do ;) ). That should be as much work as the car work.
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Post by: vinnietbird on March 19, 2009, 09:52:30 AM
Camera,tri-pod,a couple of extra hands on occassion,and a hot chick (remember Tool time?).You are right though,filming would take a lot of extra time,but well worth it.
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 19, 2009, 10:18:59 AM
I'm always speechless when i take the time to skim through your progress. Damn, I wish I knew how to do all that sort of stuff. I know in theory but I doubt i could make it look as nice.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 19, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
today's progress
I finished welding the firewall (without fire) and started on the frame
this will explain it all
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5192.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5193.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5195.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5198.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5199.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5200.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5201.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5202.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5203.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5204.jpg)

That's all I got for today.
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on March 19, 2009, 08:14:19 PM
Now jerry,.......im  probobly dumb for asking this but, are you going to make sure every inch of your car is as perfect as the rest? Im thinking your car is going to be like showroom status........
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on March 19, 2009, 08:23:38 PM
Lookin good , as usual
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Post by: vinnietbird on March 19, 2009, 08:28:16 PM
What's up,Doc? Get it...."Doc"?LOL.LOL. I'm going to try and make that your new name.
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on March 19, 2009, 08:36:33 PM
It Daminc,.....Dr.,,, Daminc.......how can i help you?.........<(thats you with a james bond type of accent..)
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 19, 2009, 08:38:59 PM
Looking good Doc.........The car, not you.........no wait..........I'm gonna shut up now.
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Post by: daminc on March 19, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
When i was in a band 15 or so, years ago, they called me "Dr. D"


If that helps any. :D
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Post by: james cassity on March 20, 2009, 02:17:43 AM
Humm
Dr Jerry does have a jingle.

New forum sub catagory under "body/appearance/interior" request.................


"Ask Dr Jerry":bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 20, 2009, 05:55:44 AM
Dear DR. D, in the spring my car gets pollen on it, Is there a way to stop this from happening?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 20, 2009, 07:29:25 AM
Dear pollen hater,
It would be best to keep your car in the garage all spring. Or start a bee farm to keep it under control.
Dr. D
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on March 20, 2009, 07:53:21 AM
[SIZE="7"]LMFAO!!!!!![/SIZE] you guys crack me up!!!!!!!!
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on March 20, 2009, 07:58:46 AM
Dear DR.D, i just stopped breathing after smacking my face off the computer desk, from LMFAO, at these posts, what should i do????
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Post by: vinnietbird on March 20, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
Dr.Jerry,I'll have pics posted soon of the port so you can see the small drop.Nice look,and I can still take a speed bump without scraping the bottom of the car.
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 20, 2009, 09:36:24 AM
I may have some rust spots to show you to ask for some helpful ideas if you're up to it.
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Post by: daminc on March 20, 2009, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: vinnietbird;262753
Dr.Jerry,I'll have pics posted soon of the port so you can see the small drop.Nice look,and I can still take a speed bump without scraping the bottom of the car.


oh cool, Mine can use a little lowering
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 20, 2009, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: 86XR7project;262759
I may have some rust spots to show you to ask for some helpful ideas if you're up to it.


sure, bring it on
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on March 20, 2009, 11:08:31 AM
Okay doc, when I got my car it had little bits of surface rust which was taken care of easily but these holes (See below) see to be more serious. I worked at a machine shop a while back and was given I want to say something like 14 Ga. steel? is this too heavy and should I be trimming the hole more? I know it will have to be welded (Duh) but it there anything to keep this from occurring in the future?

(http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/3098000-3098999/3098239_19_full.jpg)

(http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/3098000-3098999/3098239_20_full.jpg)

I know how to do body work in theory, but I can't say I've put it into practice.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on March 20, 2009, 07:14:40 PM
Doctor, Doctor give me the news, I got a bad case of Respect for you!!. I'm done.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on March 20, 2009, 11:51:40 PM
watch out for the holes in the fenders around the wheel  well. If there is a hole, I'd bet the whole inside is rotted out.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 21, 2009, 08:22:57 AM
86XR7project,
It's really hard to tell what's rusted under the primer. It looks as though there's rust spots under it to. The lip on the wheel well is going to be your biggest problem. once it starts rusting between the inner and outer metal, you won't be able to stop the rusting unless you separate the metal and remove the rust or treat it.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I'm out of the US this weekend and checking up on messages.
If you have more pics of the rust, post them and I'll check them out. Try to get some inside and underside pics if you can.

If it looks as bad as the pics look around the well, you may have to replace more then you realize.
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 21, 2009, 09:27:21 AM
Wonderful, thats what I was afraid of....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 22, 2009, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;263000
Wonderful, thats what I was afraid of....


It's totally fixable. You just won't know how bad it is until you get into it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on March 22, 2009, 02:43:48 PM
Oh, its bad but not terrible. Its got lots of surface spots that have been grounded down and fixed. Where would be a good place to get some steel from? I'd go through my ex-boss but he's not a fan of me since I quit.
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Post by: daminc on March 22, 2009, 02:58:13 PM
Well, depending on how much you need and the size, You can get smaller sized pieces at Home Depot and Lowes. I get it there in a pinch after hrs if i need some. your looking at 20-22 gauge for panel repairs. You can get away using either for smaller repairs. the metal on our cars seems to be about 21 Ga.I haven't actually mic'd it but 20 seems too heavy in parts, and 22 seems a bit thiner. also, the front fenders have the same shape as the back. They could also be used with some inner lip modding for patch repairs on the back.

Oh yea, I'm back home again. ;)
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 22, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: daminc;263239
Well, depending on how much you need and the size, You can get smaller sized pieces at Home Depot and Lowes. I get it there in a pinch after hrs if i need some. your looking at 20-22 gauge for panel repairs. You can get away using either for smaller repairs. the metal on our cars seems to be about 21 Ga.I haven't actually mic'd it but 20 seems too heavy in parts, and 22 seems a bit thiner. also, the front fenders have the same shape as the back. They could also be used with some inner lip modding for patch repairs on the back.

Oh yea, I'm back home again. ;)


Awesome! Doc, as usual you are a life saver. That helped alot. I'm up for some extra body work.
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Post by: daminc on March 22, 2009, 03:11:01 PM
Cool,
I hope you have a mig welder
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 22, 2009, 03:39:17 PM
A friend does so its all good.
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Post by: Chooglin on March 24, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
Daminc,I hope you dont mind me using one of your pics.

I would like to know what the purpose of this vacuum ball is for,Is it a resivior? and can it be removed without any issues?
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Post by: daminc on March 24, 2009, 06:35:07 PM
I have to be honest, I have no clue what it does or why it's there. Or even if they exist on V8 cars. I only know that it connects off a T at the end of the vac. line.
Maybe someone else knows what it does. There's supposed to be a vac canister for the heater controls, but I don't think that's it.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on March 24, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
NOOOOO dont take it off!!! It just like the orange ones on the power lines! You dont want planes to fly too low and hit your thunderbird!!!!! :hick: LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: shorangerbird on March 25, 2009, 09:58:33 AM
-a/c vacume resv....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on March 25, 2009, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: shorangerbird;263822
-a/c vacume resv....


since my AC has been removed,I no longer need this?
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Post by: Cougar8775 on March 25, 2009, 03:17:23 PM
i think it runs the cruse.
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Post by: HAVI on March 25, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
When you turn the engine off or in shifting whereas the vacuum fluctuates, and/or the vacuum disappears.  That reservoir acts  as a last second source for AC controls, brakes, etc...  In short, it provides a steady supply of vacuum at all times....not a bad thing to have.
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Post by: Haystack on March 26, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
So when do we get an update? I need a fix...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 26, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
Quote from: Haystack;264163
So when do we get an update? I need a fix...


OK...
 I actually coated the inside of the old frame with zero-rust so I can weld the new parts on...... Mmmmm maybe some pics and welding tomorrow, I'll se what the day is like.
I was building a media room in my basement this week. :D
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Basement/IMG_5208.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Basement/IMG_5209.jpg)
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Post by: james cassity on March 27, 2009, 02:36:22 AM
Quote from: Chooglin;263671
Daminc,I hope you dont mind me using one of your pics.

I would like to know what the purpose of this vacuum ball is for,Is it a resivior? and can it be removed without any issues?


also ties in the hvav. Trace out the tiny black vac line that penetrates the fire wall near the heater core and you find this little hose also leads to the vac ball thing a ma bob.  I would think it helps move the various flaps and doors inside your dash when you select various hvac / blower directions.
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Post by: CougarSE on March 27, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: jcassity;264207
also ties in the hvav. Trace out the tiny black vac line that penetrates the fire wall near the heater core and you find this little hose also leads to the vac ball thing a ma bob.  I would think it helps move the various flaps and doors inside your dash when you select various hvac / blower directions.

Sorry to continue the derailment Daminc, but I figure I'll set this strait.  Its sole purpose is to keep the blower position door in the driver specified location in low vacuum situations.  It has a check valve that isolates it and the blower door actuator from the rest of the vacuum lines during low vacuum situations.  If this reservoir is removed your blower door will move from any selection (floor, vent) to defrost when you enter a low vac situation, I.E. full throttle or climbing a steep grade.  ATC cars don't have the resevour as the blower door is electronically controlled.

Looking good Daminc, are you on AVSforums yet?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 27, 2009, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;264331
are you on AVSforums yet?


I'm really not into all that stuff. I used to be, but the older I get, the less effort i want to put into watching tv. I just need a large tv to watch. and a place to keep it.;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 27, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
Here's some pics guys......
I started the welding.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5214.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5213.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5212.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5211.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5210.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5215.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5216.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 28, 2009, 04:52:52 AM
Quote from: daminc;264339
I'm really not into all that stuff. I used to be, but the older I get, the less effort i want to put into watching tv. I just need a large tv to watch. and a place to keep it.;)


You need to put it in the garage, then you can work and play!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 28, 2009, 06:23:03 PM
More welding
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5218.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5219.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5220.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on March 28, 2009, 09:57:44 PM
Are you gonna smooth out the engine bay, while you're in there? :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 29, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: cougarman;264560
Are you gonna smooth out the engine bay, while you're in there? :D


Of course i am. I've got this far, what's a little more welding. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on March 29, 2009, 09:47:49 AM
Hey, Jerry are you gonna weld "Done By Dr. D" on there somewhere ? :evilgrin: Great Job man :headbang:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on March 29, 2009, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: mercury-man;264607
Hey, Jerry are you gonna weld "Done By Dr. D" on there somewhere ? :evilgrin: Great Job man :headbang:


That is a cool idea! Since there is so much welding and metal work on the car, it would only be right to weld a personalization on it.

Really makes me want to fit my rust ASAP.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on March 29, 2009, 04:03:57 PM
Quote from: daminc;264605
Of course i am. I've got this far, what's a little more welding. ;)


:D :D :D :bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 29, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
I did  even more welding. Here's what i did in about 3 hrs today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5221.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5222.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5223.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5224.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5225.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5226.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5227.jpg)

And here's to show that it's still the same car I've been working on  all this time. :hick:

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5228.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5229.jpg)

and it's time for a little paint
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5230.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5231.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5232.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5233.jpg)

I guess it's time to finish one of the last places that need rebuilding. Hopfully I can score a lower rad support to replace mine so I don't have to make one. And then that's it...... Time to do some body work so it can be painted.

next project
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5234.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5235.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on March 29, 2009, 05:13:14 PM
Maybe I missed it, but why does everything look orange?  Is that a rust converter color?  most I've seen is darker red or black.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 29, 2009, 05:30:01 PM
Scott, look at the first pic of the first page. That's the color it started. It has no UV protection and it fades pretty fast. It's Eastwood's rust encapulator.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on March 29, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
OK, it looked lighter than Eastwood's red.  Maybe it's the lighting as well.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on March 29, 2009, 07:36:37 PM
It is just insane what you are capable of doing.

are you going to be spraying the car yourself, or have it done?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 29, 2009, 07:55:23 PM
I'll be painting it myself
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on March 29, 2009, 08:23:25 PM
I'm just in awe. Wow.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on March 29, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
I was actually going to ask you if you were going to do it,,, but you did in post 1122!!!!

That will be the best thing you ever did.  That galley in there holds a lot of crap and promotes corrosion.  My 3.8 headlamp harness ran under my battery in that area and a leaky battery didnt do good things to the wiring under the battery. 

scott
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 30, 2009, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: jcassity;264699
I was actually going to ask you if you were going to do it,,, but you did in post 1122!!!!

That will be the best thing you ever did.  That galley in there holds a lot of crap and promotes corrosion.  My 3.8 headlamp harness ran under my battery in that area and a leaky battery didnt do good things to the wiring under the battery. 

scott


The front part of the frame didn't have much rust on the top. I used to vacuum it out all the time when I would clean the car. Isn't that the silliest thing you ever heard? :rollin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on March 30, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
No it's not, because I do the exact same thing!!!!! And if I can't, I get out the air compressor and use that to blast out all the crap! :rollin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on March 30, 2009, 09:17:32 PM
I have a hole in that area,, often wondered how fruitless my trying to fix it would be when knowing all too well that the corrosion is up in the tunnel and i couldnt get to it unless i cut the top out.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 30, 2009, 10:56:47 PM
Quote from: jcassity;264954
I have a hole in that area,, often wondered how fruitless my trying to fix it would be when knowing all too well that the corrosion is up in the tunnel and i couldnt get to it unless i cut the top out.


Well, when you get it into the garage. I'm sure it will be on the "To Do" list
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on March 31, 2009, 10:06:53 AM
Up to 57 pages for me... now I'm caught up. :D

:jerry::jerry::jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on March 31, 2009, 10:44:06 AM
Wow great work:D

Wanna come over and fill all the holes in my engine bay? ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on March 31, 2009, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;265037
Wow great work:D

Wanna come over and fill all the holes in my engine bay? ;)


Send them to me. I'll fill them and send them back. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 01, 2009, 08:46:40 PM
Ok let me go pull them out and box 'em up :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 01, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
:hick:  If they get here before Sat, I can get them sent back out by Monday. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 11, 2009, 05:43:40 PM
got a few pics today....
here's my in between project. I finished our media room yesterday
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Basement/IMG_5267.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Basement/IMG_5268.jpg)

I may have gone overboard with the TV
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Basement/IMG_5269.jpg)

Anyway here's this weeks update.
I started on the drivers side frame

I made some cuts and found a little rust
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5272.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5273.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5275.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5277.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5278.jpg)

here's a little test fitting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5283.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5284.jpg)

and a little welding
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5285.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5286.jpg)

that's it for today
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on April 11, 2009, 07:20:02 PM
thats what grippes my ass about the front frame.  That hollow tube holds a lot of secrets.  I wish they were C channel or I beam in design on the light guage. 

Nice media room,, looks great and looks easy to clean.  Is that the floating floor stuff?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on April 11, 2009, 09:57:13 PM
Rust just won't give up on that car will it?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 11, 2009, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: HAVI;266950
Rust just won't give up on that car will it?


Fortunately I'm more stubborn then rust.


######################################
### jcassity .... Yes, it's a floating laminate floor  ######
######################################
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on April 13, 2009, 07:46:10 AM
Quote from: daminc;266953
Fortunately I'm more stubborn then rust.


I think we've all figured that out, LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 14, 2009, 06:52:20 PM
Did a little more today. A couple more pieces, and I can put the front end back together, and hunt for my rad support.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5287.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5288.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 20, 2009, 06:58:16 PM
Been doing a little work when I can. Here's what I have up to now.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5292.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5293.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5294.jpg)

There wasn't really anything wrong with the frame on this side, but I decided to weld a sleeve on it anyway to match the other end. The towers were repaired using 16 ga sheet metal.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5295.jpg)

got it all sealed up so I can cover it up. I also filled all the holes
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5297.jpg)

Still have to make the outer frame top pieces where the bolts go through the frame, I got some tubing to put in there to keep the frame from crushing after it gets bolted, although I don't know how much 1/8 steel will crush.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5299.jpg)
 
Hopefully I can get the front wheels back on soon
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on April 21, 2009, 03:21:01 PM
The rad. support was delivered at 1:30 is it in yet?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on April 21, 2009, 04:05:03 PM
Ok so here is my question of ignorance to body work.

When you are welding new metal over the old rusted stuff couldnt that lead to rust continuing to spread onto the back of the new metal? I understand that it is not as exposed as before but it seems like there is still opportunities for water/air to reach it.

Also if it isnt too much trouble could you grab some close up pics of the steering shaft for me? At the joints, were it attaches to itself and at the rag joint and the face of the rag joint? My motor is kinda in my way.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on April 21, 2009, 04:32:26 PM
Quote from: DVP;268461
Ok so here is my question of ignorance to body work.

When you are welding new metal over the old rusted stuff couldnt that lead to rust continuing to spread onto the back of the new metal? I understand that it is not as exposed as before but it seems like there is still opportunities for water/air to reach it.

Also if it isnt too much trouble could you grab some close up pics of the steering shaft for me? At the joints, were it attaches to itself and at the rag joint and the face of the rag joint? My motor is kinda in my way.

Jerry got special stuff!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 21, 2009, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;268452
The rad. support was delivered at 1:30 is it in yet?


Got it, and everything looks great.
Thanks again.

No, I had to tune up my other car today. the weekend is coming though and I also don't have much work the rest of the week. so it could happen before then
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 21, 2009, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: DVP;268461
Ok so here is my question of ignorance to body work.

When you are welding new metal over the old rusted stuff couldnt that lead to rust continuing to spread onto the back of the new metal? I understand that it is not as exposed as before but it seems like there is still opportunities for water/air to reach it.

Also if it isnt too much trouble could you grab some close up pics of the steering shaft for me? At the joints, were it attaches to itself and at the rag joint and the face of the rag joint? My motor is kinda in my way.


I ground the rust of the best I could and then treated it. then welded the new metal then encapsulated everything, then I'm going to seam seal all the joints then encapsulate it again. then finally comes the paint. plus the metal I'm using has a coating on it to keep it from rusting. So basically in a nutshell, It will take at least another 25 years to rust out again, if I drove it all year long in Buffalo. This car will almost never see moisture again, and with all the extra metal I'm putting in, it's really going to have to be really abused to get to the same point that it was when I started.

I got this..........
I can take some pics tomorrow
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5071.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5089.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 21, 2009, 10:06:42 PM
I was just looking back at the pics. It looks like I welded that piece on rust. That was just a pic of the piece that was going to get welded. There were a lot of steps and grinding between that pic and the last one in primer.
Also....
You have to kinda look at a lot of this stuff, as a before and after view.
And remember.... it's real tough to weld to rust. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 22, 2009, 06:51:04 PM
Today's progress
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5304.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5307.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5308.jpg)

Here's some pics for DVP
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5309.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5310.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5311.jpg)

The before, during and after
This took about 15 min from start, to get it tacked welded.
I'll finish welding it tomorrow. ;)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5300.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5312.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5313.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5314.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5315.jpg)

Next is media blasting, some grinding, and a little more welding. Were a little closer to seeing the front wheels again.
here's another cool pic looking through the rabbit hole. :D
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5305.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 22, 2009, 06:58:16 PM
I like the idea of boxing the top of the frame rails in the front. I always thought that *gully* looked goofy under the battery tray.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on April 23, 2009, 06:20:15 PM
Thats right where I cut it to. Love cordless sawz all's.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on April 23, 2009, 06:27:55 PM
Thank you sir!

That makes more sense. I didnt think of it as before and after with the middle steps missing. Now it all comes together. I think your car might be one of the last of these around in the end.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on April 28, 2009, 07:57:45 AM
UMM.. Jerry my man.. I believe you have some explaining to do:

Correct me if my spidey senses are wrong, but it looks like you have another cougar in that garage!

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5295.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5305.jpg)

Explain yourself!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 28, 2009, 08:47:36 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: .............................................
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Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on April 28, 2009, 08:52:18 AM
It does kinda reswmble an 86 style,....... front is too flat to be 88
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 28, 2009, 10:49:11 AM
Kinda Looks like bearmax' vert too, LOL  Look at the top right through that hole... and looks like Cobra rims....  HMMM......  LOL  are we just imagining things?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on April 28, 2009, 12:35:59 PM
Wtf, i dont' think bear ended up selling his vert though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on April 28, 2009, 01:09:55 PM
Thats Bears for sure. You can see the black top, Cobra rims, so what happened to the black one on eBay....?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 01:14:37 PM
So since Project Evolution is taking so long with the upgrading of everything I seem to touch. LOL
I decided to get myself a summer ride while I work on my baby. It'll get me around when I need, and I can have some fun driving a Cougar again.

I bought this back in Feb.
It's an 85 Cougar with 85,000 miles on it. Do you guys think this will work for me until I finish my project?
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(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o434/SDaminski/85%20vert/fixin%20things/IMG_5317.jpg)

(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o434/SDaminski/85%20vert/fixin%20things/IMG_5322.jpg)

(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o434/SDaminski/85%20vert/fixin%20things/IMG_5247.jpg)

(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o434/SDaminski/85%20vert/fixin%20things/IMG_5319.jpg)

And Yes, it was previously Bearmax's vert from Florida.
I promised him would take good care of her and restore her back to showroom condition.
It needs a little body work and a full strip and repaint. So there will be another project after my 87 is done.
[SIZE="5"]Project E-2.0[/SIZE] will be coming soon to a forum near you (The 2nd release is always better) LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Beau on April 28, 2009, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: daminc;269516
Project E-2.0 will be coming soon to a forum near you (The 2nd release is always better) LOL

F*ckin' Sweet! I love me a good sequel! :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 28, 2009, 03:40:11 PM
When do we get to see the T-bird version? ;)

So with two Cougars what happens when they are both finished? Which one do you drive in the summer?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on April 28, 2009, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;269531
So with two Cougars what happens when they are both finished? Which one do you drive in the summer?



Both, silly! :burnout:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on April 28, 2009, 05:42:34 PM
Hey Jerry was that (Vert) your Birthday Present to yourself friend ? :poke:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
LOL
Paul had the answer....... I'd drive the vert on the sunny days and the 87 on the humid overcast days with the air on
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: mercury-man;269539
Hey Jerry was that (Vert) your Birthday Present to yourself friend ? :poke:


I actually bought it for Sheila. She wanted a 67 Cougar vert but I couldn't find one I liked.
We went cruising last sunday afternoon. She said it's a keeper.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 28, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;269538
Both, silly! :burnout:


Quote from: daminc;269540
LOL
Paul had the answer....... I'd drive the vert on the sunny days and the 87 on the humid overcast days with the air on


Geesh you must have a lot of time to drive in the summer. I barely have time to drive my one summer car :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on April 28, 2009, 06:29:49 PM
So Jerry, I think the big question is. How the hell did you get that thing up here from Florida? ;)
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Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: baxo;269546
So Jerry, I think the big question is. How the hell did you get that thing up here from Florida? ;)


There's this guy from Welland, Ontario that was willing to fly down and drive it back for me. And I hear it was one hell of a trip...
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Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;269544
Geesh you must have a lot of time to drive in the summer. I barely have time to drive my one summer car :D


I have all the time I want.... I own the company I work for. ;)
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Post by: baxo on April 28, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: daminc;269547
There's this guy from Welland, Ontario that was willing to fly down and drive it back for me. And I hear it was one hell of a trip...

It sure was :burnout:
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Post by: CatCarMan2012 on April 28, 2009, 06:43:08 PM
You like pain don't you?
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Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 06:43:14 PM
I'm sure Eric would agree
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Post by: dominator on April 28, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
Cool,how long did it take ya to get back to jerry's house from florida Alex????
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Post by: baxo on April 28, 2009, 07:27:41 PM
Including breaking down and Eric's heroic rescue to get it fixed, 22 hours. Woulda taken about 16-18 hours otherwise.
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Post by: 86XR7project on April 28, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
Nice. Good to see you are sticking with the Cougars. Looks like we will get to see some more neat things happen from your shop.
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Post by: mercury-man on April 28, 2009, 07:47:24 PM
:bowdown:Jerry, Thanks for keeping the Vert here on this forum man. ;)
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Post by: HAVI on April 28, 2009, 08:01:11 PM
Well you've done yourself in.  Now you have to get the Cougar done before winter, lol.
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Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: HAVI;269562
Well you've done yourself in.  Now you have to get the Cougar done before winter, lol.


Why is that?
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Post by: EricCoolCats on April 28, 2009, 08:19:53 PM
(http://www.coolcats.net/ximages/jerryvert01.jpg)

"Heroic"? Mmmm...that's a little dramatic. All we had to do was fix the negative battery cable, fix the driver's side window motor, and attach the kickdown rod with homemade parts. No big deal. ;)
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Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
And I appreciate you pulling the stuff off your own car
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Post by: HAVI on April 28, 2009, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: daminc;269564
Why is that?
With a Cougar vert, who wants to put the top up? :hick:
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Post by: daminc on April 28, 2009, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: HAVI;269568
With a Cougar vert, who wants to put the top up? :hick:


yea, I'm adding another 2 bays on the garage so I don't have to put the top up. :D
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on April 28, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
Thats awesome great score!!!!!
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Post by: Haystack on April 29, 2009, 03:19:50 PM
You better finish up the first car!
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Post by: Kitz Kat on April 29, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
Was this a secret? You may need more than 2 bays added.
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Post by: cougarXLS on April 29, 2009, 06:32:31 PM
lol, missed another bunch of pages.
*[insert bookmark here]

Congrats on the vert... GO: :jerry:
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Post by: daminc on April 29, 2009, 08:12:11 PM
Don't worry, I plan on finishing the first project before I start the next.
Kitz, it was a temporary secret until I got it inspected and replaced a bunch of things. and I think 5 bays total will be enough. ;)

And here we are back to the first project.
finished up the drivers side today
It's getting there.......
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5323.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5324.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5325.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5326.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5328.jpg)
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Post by: dominator on April 29, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
Looks pretty solid now Jerry,keep it up!!
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Post by: thunderjet302 on April 29, 2009, 08:53:59 PM
Are you going to keep it black underhood or paint it body color?
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Post by: daminc on April 29, 2009, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;269768
Are you going to keep it black underhood or paint it body color?


Yes
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Post by: BEARMAX on April 30, 2009, 08:01:36 AM
o so the cats out the bag ha....awwww imiss her so much
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Post by: baxo on April 30, 2009, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: BEARMAX;269807
o so the cats out the bag ha....awwww imiss her so much


yeah it was tough seeing a grown bear cry. :(
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Post by: DVP on April 30, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: BEARMAX;269807
o so the cats out the bag ha....awwww imiss her so much


One sale you will regret. Good news is you know where it went and that it will be taken care of.
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Post by: daminc on April 30, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
So back to the grind so to speak

Got some stuff today... struts for the 87 and rear air shocks for the vert. (I keep rubber buffin the wheel wells)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5329.jpg)

removing the old struts
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5330.jpg)

De-greasing everything to media blast tomorrow
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5331.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5332.jpg)

I can't believe there's still paint on this thing.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5333.jpg)

Just keeping the dream alive.
I guess, now a have even more motivation to finish this car. ;)
That's all for today my friends.
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 01, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
wow!!!  Hey ya know if i had time like you id be more than merry to come help you with youre build,.....  Im sure a couple extra hands couldnt hurt anything......So if the  87 is done this summer you gonna start the vert this winter????? Or you going to give yourself som " drive around and enjoy it time"????
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Post by: DVP on May 01, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
Bet the oil was the only thing that kept the paint on. I assume you are pulling it all apart then blasting, but it doesnt look to be in that bad of shape as far as rust goes.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 01, 2009, 02:33:34 PM
Hey DR. D are you doin the ball joints and bushings? Why did you need a spring compressor? dude you keep getting deeper and deeper.
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Post by: V8Demon on May 01, 2009, 02:37:18 PM
Keeping the stock k-member in your situation?
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 01, 2009, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;270058
Keeping the stock k-member in your situation?

I wonder about what he's thinking, I'm sure plenty!!
He's being a little more secretive lately!!
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Post by: vinnietbird on May 01, 2009, 05:10:29 PM
I was lucky enough to be able to install the springs (and remove the fronts) without a compressor.Jeddy,you are really rockin' on the Cat !! I say that out of jealousy since the Sport is so close to death after the extreme damage yesterday and will probably end up being parted out (I was embellishing the truth there for a more dramatic feeling).
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Post by: daminc on May 01, 2009, 06:08:31 PM
Ok, I need some input from everyone..
I was planing on reusing the entire front end. (the entire sha-bang) But now that I try to take the arms off, the bolts are rusted to the sleeves. Which means I have to start cutting and replacing parts, bolts, bushings, etc.
If you were in my position what would you do?  just replace the rusted parts, replace the arms, or just go for the gold and get a tubular front end. or is there a way of upgrading that i'm not seeing right now?
I don't have a problem with "better" as far as parts go.
On another side note..... I have an entire replacement in my parts bird that looks in better shape then mine. but I still need to remove the motor. I was planning on getting the front wheels back on and do the body work and also work on the motor in my spare time. or do I just put my front end back on to do the body work so I can move the car around and paint it, then swap the front end out again before I put the motor in.....hmmmmm
my brain is spinning right now, not knowing which would make more sense...
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 01, 2009, 06:43:40 PM
I really don't want to be the first to answer, You might want to consider it the K mem.
Jerry I don't have the answer. Use your judgment.
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Post by: chas jr on May 01, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
Jerry, Can you get a measurement on how far the rack sleeves stick out on th K member?? I am going to have to fabricate some as I checked with Ford and there are no kits or parts avaiable. Thanks in advance and your are doing an awesome job. Keep it up.
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Post by: dominator on May 01, 2009, 07:32:01 PM
If you can afford it jerry the tubular would be the way to go(you,ve come this far and have a tubular rear).
They do make tubular front arms with the spring perch's so you can still use your springs and struts and if you want in the future,replace the arms and go coil over.
Your arms will require replacement if you cut the bolts of as getting out the rotted parts will be near impossible.
Plus the car will be faster due to the weight savings ++.
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Post by: Clayton on May 01, 2009, 10:18:02 PM
QA1 kit on summit

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HAL%2DMU2LB&N=700+4294925130+4294908331+4294908282+4294924929+400026+115&autoview=sku

$1169.95
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Post by: daminc on May 01, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: chas jr;270096
Jerry, Can you get a measurement on how far the rack sleeves stick out on th K member?? I am going to have to fabricate some as I checked with Ford and there are no kits or parts avaiable. Thanks in advance and your are doing an awesome job. Keep it up.


Thanks, I'll get it tomorrow for you
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Post by: daminc on May 01, 2009, 11:28:09 PM
I guess to answer the keeping of the k-member question..
I want to keep it stock for right now if I can. and put the motor from the bird in. I was planning on getting a crate motor in a couple years to replace the one I'm putting in now, so I was planning on changing everything over to tube when I did that.
So now I think I'm going to stick with my original plan, and toss this one back in for now to get the wheels back on and the motor in. I'll slap a quick coat of paint on it for the time being. If need be, I can change the bushings and arms If I run into a problem down the road, as I'm keeping most of the front end parts from the bird just in case.

I guess I just needed to think through a plan to keep the project going
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Post by: vinnietbird on May 02, 2009, 10:29:27 AM
Take the K-member from the Bird.and block up the front end of the Bird.A roll back truck won't care if it has wheels on it or not when it's towed away.Or,just cut the a-frames from the rusty bolt k-member and swap the a-frames only from the Bird.My own opinion.I am SOOOOOO glad we don't have to deal with rust here.My lower a-frames (when I swapped them) came off like a charm,no rust at all.I sometimes appreciate Oklahoma weather.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2009, 10:48:09 AM
If the K member is good I'd just get a set of arms from FRPP and put FOX balljoints in them. If you pull the arms from the T-bird you're going to have to replace the balljoints and bushings any way. Plus why not get brand new parts? :hick:
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Post by: daminc on May 02, 2009, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: chas jr;270096
Jerry, Can you get a measurement on how far the rack sleeves stick out on th K member?? I am going to have to fabricate some as I checked with Ford and there are no kits or parts avaiable. Thanks in advance and your are doing an awesome job. Keep it up.


 The sleeves come out 2-3/8" the bolt comes out a total of 4"
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Post by: daminc on May 02, 2009, 06:11:59 PM
So I decided to paint up the original and if I need to replace something, then I'll deal with that when the time comes.
It needs another coat of paint still
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5338.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5339.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5340.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5341.jpg)
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Post by: chas jr on May 02, 2009, 06:27:16 PM
Thanks Jerry. I will figure the rest out. I started in the back today and as I suspected I have to manufacture fuel tank strap supports. One good and one gone. Just going to fig for both. My K member I took it completely apart and put in all new bushings and ball joints. I have the K member put back on the car but still need to get all the other parts on. I have a post I started but have not updated as progress is very very slow going. I will try to get some pics and get them on.
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Post by: daminc on May 05, 2009, 09:02:17 PM
Todays progress
I think you'll get the idea by looking at the pics
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5348.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5349.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5350.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5351.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5352.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5353.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5354.jpg)

And the new parts of the day
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5355.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5356.jpg)
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Post by: vinnietbird on May 05, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
Are those the factory spindles,or are you going up tp the 11 inch brakes?Nice work so far.I'm proud for you.As soon as I get rotors and a few other pieces,I'm upgrading my front brakes.Right now,after paying Kacie's (our daughter) tuition,money is just an urban legend.LOL.
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Post by: daminc on May 05, 2009, 09:37:12 PM
Everything's still factory. I'll do the upgrade when i'm looking for something to do in the future.
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Post by: mattg on May 06, 2009, 09:20:33 AM
what paint product did you use on the k member and engine bay area?
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 06, 2009, 09:40:45 AM
Lookin good jerry!!!!
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Post by: daminc on May 06, 2009, 02:18:05 PM
everything I painted so far has been zero-rust.
the only 2 things I painted diff on the car were the rear end and the k member. I used rustoleum hammered metal for rusted metal paint. (because of the rust pitting) So far it seems real tough and grabs the rust like zero-rust.

The engine compartment will be painted the same color as the car. Black.
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Post by: mattg on May 06, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
i don't mean to hijack and turn this into a paint over rust discussion / debate.  if i may-  just one quick question for my own edification.  as far as your comments on the rustoleum-  did you mean you wanted to HIDE the pits with the rustoleum?  or did you mean that the rustoleum was CHEMICALLY a better product to use on the pitted metal?  thanks for this thread.  I find myself studying at least some part of it just about everyday lately.
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Post by: daminc on May 06, 2009, 04:32:41 PM
I used it because it's supposed to be like a rust encapulator. and it hides the pitted metal with the hammered texture. of course I got the rust off and then treated it with pickelx. At least all the rust that I could get to with it being bolted together. Like I said earlier, I'm going to put a tubular front end on in the near future, so I wasn't going to spend as much effort on the k member.
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Post by: daminc on May 06, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
Here's the stuff
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5357.jpg)

which brings me to todays progress
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5358.jpg)

the lower support all degreased and welded on
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5359.jpg)

and painted
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5365.jpg)

Next is welding the brackets in the towers and some hole drilling.
I'm going to get new bolts tomorrow so I can hopefully put it back together this weekend, or mabe even Friday.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5366.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5367.jpg)
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Post by: Ifixyawata on May 06, 2009, 07:11:30 PM
If this world ends there will be two things left. Cockroaches and this Cougar.
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Post by: BEARMAX on May 06, 2009, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Ifixyawata;270967
If this world ends there will be two things left. Cockroaches and this Cougar.


:rollin::rollin::rollin::jerry::jerry:
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Post by: blain_gatterdam on May 07, 2009, 12:43:21 AM
123 pages read later... my ass is alseep and my scroll is broken

freakin tank of a car dude keep it up
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Post by: ZondaC12 on May 07, 2009, 01:00:47 AM
Post-apocalypse battle cruiser cougar FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: daminc on May 07, 2009, 08:30:26 AM
LOL.... The scroll broke on my mouse too.....

I always wanted to build a "Mad Max" car. That would be fun
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/O1.jpg)
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Post by: thunderjet302 on May 07, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
Looking good as always. Is that the stock front sway bar or a TC one?
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Post by: baxo on May 07, 2009, 12:48:52 PM
Jerry, there's actually a mad max car in the Niagara Region, I used see it at cruize nights in niagara falls on sundays all the time when i went. The steering wheel is even on the right hand side and everything.
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Post by: daminc on May 07, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: baxo;271071
Jerry, there's actually a mad max car in the Niagara Region, I used see it at cruize nights in niagara falls on sundays all the time when i went. The steering wheel is even on the right hand side and everything.


That's too funny

Quote
thunderjet302   
Is that the stock front sway bar or a TC one?


Everything up front is still stock except for the springs that Vinnie sent me.

Todays fun
time to drill the upper holes and weld it together
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5368.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5369.jpg)

I put wires through the frame to keep the sleeves in place. it would suck if they moved while pounding on the other side.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5370.jpg)

the other side will be next, and some more painting.
the bolts for the front won't be in till monday, so I'll have time to finish painting the hard to reach places, clean up the steering rack and shaft and start looking for the parts that I took off a while back, and bolting things back on
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 07, 2009, 06:50:24 PM
Man, you got all kinds of stuff welded on, You got to way it when your done.
before you decide to change it.
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Post by: daminc on May 07, 2009, 07:48:24 PM
where do you get a car weighed?
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Post by: 347Thunder on May 07, 2009, 08:23:14 PM
dump or race track
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Post by: vinnietbird on May 07, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: daminc;271041
LOL.... The scroll broke on my mouse too.....

I always wanted to build a "Mad Max" car. That would be fun
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/O1.jpg)


The most bad ass car ever !!!! There's one of those about an hour south of here.Man,I want one of those.

Onto the Cougar,great work.I really am amazed at the time you've applied to this project.True love.It's these builds,on these cars,that make us SO much cooler than Stang guys.I've said it before,anyone can build a Stang,it takes someone special to build one of our cars.
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Post by: vinnietbird on May 07, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
I took the Sport to the metal scrap yard to weigh it.I need to that again.They didn't even charge me.
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Post by: DVP on May 07, 2009, 09:29:46 PM
Weight station if they are cool enough and slow.
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Post by: wnt2gofst on May 07, 2009, 10:04:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzO9t7ibHgQ
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Post by: Haystack on May 08, 2009, 01:20:13 AM
No one really wants a mad max car, they just want the austrailian fords.
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Post by: daminc on May 08, 2009, 07:00:40 PM
And here's the other side done.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5372.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5373.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5374.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5376.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5375.jpg)

Everything seems to be lining up good. next is a little more painting and making sure everything is ready to bolt up on Monday.
I also bought a gallon of epoxy primer and 2 gallons of black paint for the car today. :D
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Post by: NoReflection on May 08, 2009, 11:37:57 PM
Wow looks like it might actually be back on the road soon then huh? Well maybe not... what do you have planed for the engine? I worked a little more on mine, Nothing worth taking pictures of though I will be getting a sandblaster this weekend from my dad .... stay tuned

Is this car intended for just a cruiser? Do you have plans to ever take it to the track?
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Post by: Haystack on May 09, 2009, 12:23:22 AM
Don't you hate it when you get done putting the car together, and you have a bucket of bolts left? I could only imagine how big your bucket is;).

Good work on the car. I would really like to see what it looks like with paint.
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Post by: daminc on May 09, 2009, 12:25:13 AM
My original plans were to make it a cruiser, but now I have the vert for that, so anything's possible for this one now.
I got a 5.0 in the parts bird and everything for a HO conversion right now,and Mass air If I choose in the future.

I guess I must be planning something in the future. with all the mods and upgrades I did to it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 09, 2009, 12:28:16 AM
Quote from: Haystack;271374
Don't you hate it when you get done putting the car together, and you have a bucket of bolts left? I could only imagine how big your bucket is;).

Good work on the car. I would really like to see what it looks like with paint.


LOL..
Actually, I'm short bolts, because I just cut most of them right off.

I'm kinda interested to see what it looks like all one color. It's been a while.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 09, 2009, 05:16:49 PM
UPDATE

Today I finished painting the hard to reach areas, welded the SFCs where the front inside pieces come together, and seam sealed where any moisture will get in.
The bolts will be in on Monday, so everything is set to go back together.

Body work and some random fixing here and there are next on the list. While that's going on, I'm going to start stripping the parts bird an pull the motor. If anyone needs anything off the car, and I'm not going to use it, let me know as I'm taking the parts off. I'll be removing everything that is usable no mater what it is, and cutting the rest of the car up and hauling it to the scrap yard. I'll post it for everyone while I'm doing it.

Sorry, no pics today. There wasn't anything to really take a pic of
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on May 10, 2009, 11:36:28 PM
what color is the car? I have been playing around with the idea of getting rid of the ATC in my car.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2009, 07:46:45 AM
Quote from: Haystack;271609
what color is the car? I have been playing around with the idea of getting rid of the ATC in my car.


The parts car?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on May 11, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
yes.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on May 11, 2009, 04:49:52 PM
He had to mean the parts car, we all Know the other one is stainless steel.lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2009, 07:23:24 PM
here's the parts car
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5179.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5170.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_3283.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2009, 07:32:14 PM
Got my bolts. Time to start putting it back together.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5377.jpg)

I used the wires to align the pieces. worked great
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5378.jpg)

And for those of you wondering how I was going to do this myself.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5379.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5379.jpg)

And thanks to kitz, I could actually get the springs seated using his compressor
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5381.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5382.jpg)

And the other side
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5384.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5385.jpg)

and another project finished.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5386.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5387.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5388.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on May 11, 2009, 09:02:04 PM
Looking good Jerry and thanks for the pics friend. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 11, 2009, 10:08:03 PM
Looks like your gettin her done jerry,nice work man.
Just noticed something,your parts car has auto lamps yes??
Do you know if it works???
The blue light sensor(in the center of the dash under a cover)went bad a few years back and hasn't worked since.
Any chance you'd let that one go to me for cheap???
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2009, 11:09:53 PM
Sorry Chris, I'm swapping all that into my car, along with the lighted door locks and cornering lamps
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: EricCoolCats on May 11, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
Hmmm...if the parts car has non-metallic paint, that's Smoke (1K), a pretty uncommon exterior color for 1987-88. I've always thought it looked like a really dirty white, but it's cool, I dig it man.

Nothing else to report. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2009, 11:28:48 PM
It's a metallic 2 stage repaint. Looks like it could have been in certain places and jambs
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 11, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
That compressor would have shaved atleast a day and a half off doing my front end stuff. Both the ones I used were too close to the spring and bolts were too long.

So now major repairs are done? Getting real close.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 11, 2009, 11:48:42 PM
the compressor was great. Took mabe 20 min per side, for the spring and strut.
The rest of the front end will be tomorrow.
Then the body work can be started. My paint and primer is on it's way as of today.
and the bird will be in the garage to be stripped in about a week. My father-in-law will be doing the rebuild work on the motor from the bird, while the body work gets done.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on May 12, 2009, 03:47:03 AM
Moving right along now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 12, 2009, 07:14:55 AM
You'll be done before I am.I still haven't completed but about 1/2 my list of things to do.You RAWK !!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 12, 2009, 09:43:40 AM
Np man just figured i'd ask.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 12, 2009, 12:42:36 PM
How's the trim/molding on the parts car? I'd like some spares if you're not going to use it ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 12, 2009, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;271849
How's the trim/molding on the parts car? I'd like some spares if you're not going to use it ;)


They're pretty cooked . :flame:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Ifixyawata on May 12, 2009, 07:12:37 PM
Now THAT would've been a helluva better spring compressor to use than the inside-type that I got from AZ.  How much did that thing cost?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 12, 2009, 07:16:16 PM
done with the front end.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5409.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5410.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5411.jpg)

and now the wheels are back on and supporting it's own weight again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5412.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5413.jpg)

And the seam sealer all touched up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5417.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/front%20end/IMG_5418.jpg)

Time for a beer this weekend, and get ready for the next project.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 12, 2009, 08:02:52 PM
SWEEET!!!! it looks soooo clean!!!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on May 12, 2009, 08:07:10 PM
I assume your going to go 5.0 EFI AOD? Or are you doing something different?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 12, 2009, 08:28:48 PM
Here it is
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_3287.jpg)

It has a C6 behind it. but I may use my AOD from my 3.8
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on May 12, 2009, 08:38:17 PM
Awesome, I really can't wait to see it finished!
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Post by: daminc on May 12, 2009, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: Ifixyawata;271907
Now THAT would've been a helluva better spring compressor to use than the inside-type that I got from AZ.  How much did that thing cost?

I borrowed it from kitz.. It looks expensive though.
It also weighs a ton. Looks like something he uses on dump trucks.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thundr306 on May 12, 2009, 08:42:22 PM
This thread makes me sick with all the work you are doing in such short time. I would be in retirement before I got all that done. Good job!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Ifixyawata on May 12, 2009, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: daminc;271936
I borrowed it from kitz.. It looks expensive though.
It also weighs a ton. Looks like something he uses on dump trucks.

So Kitz.... how much did that big bastard cost you?
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Post by: NoReflection on May 12, 2009, 10:35:59 PM
That's looking real good. That one pic of the engine bay, looks like the steering shaft (its in that area) seems a little rusty...now with all that work your not going to let a little rusty thing inside your engine bay are ya? :)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Ifixyawata on May 12, 2009, 10:43:31 PM
Oh yeah.... shift linkage might look a little rusty too.... hah!  Sorry I'm not nitpicking!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 13, 2009, 12:47:56 AM
Quote from: Ifixyawata;271907
Now THAT would've been a helluva better spring compressor to use than the inside-type that I got from AZ.  How much did that thing cost?


Those arent worth a damn on our cars. If I ever do springs again I am getting one like Kitz's. Ended up compressing mine, chaining it then shoving it in the car. Bad plan, but it worked.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on May 13, 2009, 03:43:23 AM
Quote from: Ifixyawata;271943
So Kitz.... how much did that big bastard cost you?


I don't remember, but seen some on ebay for $40, they look the same.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MCPHERSON-STRUT-COIL-SPRING-CLAM-COMPRESSOR-MACPHERSON_W0QQitemZ190306395951QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Automotive_Tools?hash=item2c4f25272f&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1171|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 13, 2009, 07:28:07 AM
The only problem with this compressor is that you can only compress the spring enough to get it seated in the arm and get a little pressure under it to hold it in.
If you compress it to much, you can't get the thing off the spring because it won't slip back through the coils. and you can't use it with the strut still connected either. There's not enough room for both because of it's size.

So it did help me to the point of getting the spring seated, and keep it from popping back out.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 13, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
I thought about modding it a little, but I don't use it much.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 13, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: daminc;271905
They're pretty cooked . :flame:


So they're not worth it :hick: What about the grill how's that?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 13, 2009, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;272017
So they're not worth it :hick: What about the grill how's that?


The entire  header panel is gone as of last week.
What else you need?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 13, 2009, 05:29:30 PM
Nuts :hick: I don't need anything I just like having spare parts just incase. Could I have the engine block? ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 13, 2009, 06:24:10 PM
haha
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 13, 2009, 08:57:53 PM
Quote from: daminc;272106
haha


What are you going to use it or something? ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: chas jr on May 13, 2009, 09:59:20 PM
Jerry, Where did you get the coil spring dampners?? I.E. The red rubber pieces at the top and bottom of coils.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 13, 2009, 10:26:33 PM
I got the spring isolators at summit, I think
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 13, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Ifixyawata;271956
Oh yeah.... shift linkage might look a little rusty too.... hah!  Sorry I'm not nitpicking!


Shift linkage, not staying..... :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on May 13, 2009, 10:34:46 PM
stick or floor shifter, judging by the parts car and how you said you might keep the aod from the 3.8, I would assume floor shifter.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 13, 2009, 10:56:25 PM
Yep, I got a full length console and a complete stock floor shifter and bracket.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_4088.jpg)
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Post by: james cassity on May 14, 2009, 12:58:06 AM
Quote from: daminc;271995
The only problem with this compressor is that you can only compress the spring enough to get it seated in the arm and get a little pressure under it to hold it in.
If you compress it to much, you can't get the thing off the spring because it won't slip back through the coils. and you can't use it with the strut still connected either. There's not enough room for both because of it's size.

So it did help me to the point of getting the spring seated, and keep it from popping back out.


and then there is this
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 14, 2009, 07:48:04 AM
The only problem I can see is, that I needed to compress mine just to get them on the arm.
I don't have stock springs in the front, and with the new isolators, it made everything about 1 1/2 longer then the space I had.  In fact, with no engine weight, the wife and I had to stand on the rad support to try to compress the springs enough to get the struts bolted on.

Vinnie, did you have the same problem with yours?  Aren't they the same springs? Am I going to be high riding? will I need to weld more steel on the front of my car to add weight? LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 14, 2009, 08:26:25 AM
Exact same springs I'm using.I pulled my front springs out (the factory Sport springs),replaced the a-frames,ball joints,and strut mounts,inserted the new springs into the perches on the a-frames and pushed the tops in with my foot,bolted the struts up to the spindles,and then,I used my two ton floor jack to lift the a-frame while I guided the strut into the mount and just kept lifting until the strut was in the mount and the spring was compressed.It took me as long to type this as it did to do the actual work on the Sport.LOL.BUT,I had the engine and all in the car.A few hundred pounds makes a big difference.The car sitss about an inch and a half lower than before,feels great on the road,and actually takes corners a little better.The ride is still smooth as before.You won't need to modify anything at all.Too bad you don't have a tie down in your floor.You could chain the car to the floor so it doesn't lift when you compress the springs.I'm going to see my grandmother,so,I'll be back this evening.If I can answer any more questions,let me know.Peace brutha.
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Post by: cougarXLS on May 14, 2009, 09:41:59 AM
I can't wait to see this finished car!  CJ10?!?!
:jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 14, 2009, 12:35:36 PM
I thought about bolting something to the floor to pull the car down.

Quote
cougarXLS
    I can't wait to see this finished car! CJ10?!?!

depends on how much more upgrading I do as I go
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 14, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;272232
Exact same springs I'm using.I pulled my front springs out (the factory Sport springs),replaced the a-frames,ball joints,and strut mounts,inserted the new springs into the perches on the a-frames and pushed the tops in with my foot,bolted the struts up to the spindles,and then,I used my two ton floor jack to lift the a-frame while I guided the strut into the mount and just kept lifting until the strut was in the mount and the spring was compressed.It took me as long to type this as it did to do the actual work on the Sport.LOL.BUT,I had the engine and all in the car.A few hundred pounds makes a big difference.The car sitss about an inch and a half lower than before,feels great on the road,and actually takes corners a little better.The ride is still smooth as before.You won't need to modify anything at all.Too bad you don't have a tie down in your floor.You could chain the car to the floor so it doesn't lift when you compress the springs.I'm going to see my grandmother,so,I'll be back this evening.If I can answer any more questions,let me know.Peace brutha.
I wish I would have replaced my arms at the same time. You had the right idea. Scraping the stock isolator out was a PITA, and I wish I would have done my arm bushing then too, would have been so much easier later. I think my car rides better over most bumps. The big ones are still a hard ride.

Vinnie did you use the "spacers/stops", the things that go inside of the spring? I forgot to put the first one in and I cut the second one out so I could use the spring compressor. I dont plan on jumping the car so I dont think it will matter much, plus I take dips and inclines very cautiously as it is. There isnt much left in the spring before it is maxed out as it is.

Any info on using and not using them?

Quote from: daminc;272283
depends on how much more upgrading I do as I go

Jerry your going to need to get a at least a double car trailer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 14, 2009, 07:04:09 PM
So now we've come to the point in the show where we install all the panels, and fit them for body work and paint. It would really suck to find out that the panels won't fit right after they get painted. So we must do a dress rehearsal so to speak.

I cleaned all the dust and crap off the car today and found the hood. I'll start to put the fenders and bumpers back on this weekend to make sure everything fits. (After I find them) lol
Here's where I start to do what I'm good at.

here's the hood just sitting on the car. I already cleaned the hinges down to the original primer.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5420.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5421.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5423.jpg)

While that's happening, I'm soaking the calipers to get the rust off. I think they're still the originals.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5424.jpg)

That's all for today. And today also starts the next phase of Project Evolution. "Body and Paint"
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Post by: DVP on May 14, 2009, 08:19:24 PM
Reman calipers are only like 12-15 bucks at O'Reilly's. Just make sure they are the correct ones. Cardone seems to have a problem with our calipers and making them right.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 14, 2009, 08:26:16 PM
Quote from: DVP;272351
Reman calipers are only like 12-15 bucks at O'Reilly's. Just make sure they are the correct ones. Cardone seems to have a problem with our calipers and making them right.


But mine still work
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on May 14, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
Can't you rebuild them too?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 14, 2009, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;272358
Can't you rebuild them too?


You could. For the price I rather get ones already done with a warranty.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on May 14, 2009, 10:13:15 PM
Wow, you'll be cruising around in it by the end of summer!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: BEARMAX on May 15, 2009, 12:11:30 AM
nice bro looks great makes me want to hit the CAPS BUTTON ......hehehehehe
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 15, 2009, 12:12:41 AM
Quote from: bearmax;272408
nice bro looks great makes me want to hit the caps button ......hehehehehe


lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on May 15, 2009, 08:40:40 AM
Not to stray OT, but the vert in the background has the top up!  Every vert on here, I don't recall seeing a pic with the top up.  Kinda gives me the visual for a hardtop that I've been looking for.  BTW, I completely understand losing fenders and bumpers, lol. :hick:

:jerry::jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 15, 2009, 05:47:53 PM
Ok, I think I found all the parts to the car. LOL

I will now display them for all to see. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5439.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5440.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5441.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5442.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5443.jpg)

I'm still up in the air about what front bumper to put on.
One of these, or the TC Bumper.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5444.jpg)

more parts used from the parts bird
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5445.jpg)

Looks like I need to drill some holes in my new frame.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5446.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5447.jpg)

A couple more pics of the car.
It's weird seeing fenders and things on it again. LOL
I just stood there for about 15 minutes and stared at it today.
that cardboard box that's always leaning against the car has all my window moulding and door stuff
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5448.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5449.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5450.jpg)

I guess i have some cleaning to do.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5452.jpg)

anyone need a computer from a 87 3.8? brand new, only about 200 miles of use on it back in 2003
I also have the NAPA code reference card for it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5453.jpg)

Looks like I'll be bolting things and cleaning things tomorrow. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 15, 2009, 06:08:14 PM
I'd stick the Cougar front that originally came on the car back on it but that's just me ;)

It's nice to see it back in more or less 1 piece :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on May 15, 2009, 07:03:13 PM
I can relate to losing parts, it took me a while to find all my window trim. I hid it away so it wouldn't get stepped on or get overspray on it, but forgot where I hid it :hick: I never did find the door insulation...

As for bumper covers, I'd go with the TC one for the fog light cutouts. I'm saying that without having to actually do it myself, though, since the grille would have to be modified
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Post by: Kitz Kat on May 15, 2009, 07:58:04 PM
Hey there was a pic of a blue front end, kinda looked familiar!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on May 15, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
That front license tag on the one is a keeper.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 15, 2009, 10:31:48 PM
Yea, I got a lot of good blue parts. (thanks)
 I also have a red TC bumper with a red stripe moulding
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: shorangerbird on May 16, 2009, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: daminc;272572
Yea, I got a lot of good blue parts.
 I also have a red TC bumper with a red stripe moulding


-hmmmmmm
reminds me of a Johnny Cash song...??!!!:hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 16, 2009, 04:37:16 PM
today I started bolting things together for a test run.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5454.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5455.jpg)

I used the TC bumper to see what  it would look like.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5456.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5457.jpg)

Then I put the original front end back on .
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5458.jpg)

I'm not sure which one to use. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 16, 2009, 04:42:44 PM
I like the TC bumper cover,but on a T-Bird.On a Cougar,I never thought they looked wuite right.I have wondered,if,one could cut the foglight openings from the TC bumper and graft them into the Cougar bumper cover.It would be one of a kind,and I think it would look great.They have adhesives made for that kind of work.
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Post by: mercury-man on May 16, 2009, 04:45:23 PM
Jerry, Your original 1 looks alot better friend. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on May 16, 2009, 05:01:44 PM
Cougar bumper FTW!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Clayton on May 16, 2009, 06:06:00 PM
turbocoupe + cat grille.

sex.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on May 16, 2009, 06:19:48 PM
TC bumper cover, with Cougar header panel and grille.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 86XR7project on May 16, 2009, 06:24:24 PM
What did you do to make the grille fit? I just think it looks odd with the TC bumper bc its so pointy.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 16, 2009, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;272707
What did you do to make the grille fit? I just think it looks odd with the TC bumper bc its so pointy.


Very true.The T-Bird bumper cover is pointy,but it was made to match the angles of the TC header panel as well.Again,graft in the TC fog light openings and mount some lights.....sweeeeeeeeeeet !!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on May 16, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;272707
What did you do to make the grille fit? I just think it looks odd with the TC bumper bc its so pointy.

I sectioned the cover on each side of the grille, so the grille could fit down in there.:burnout:
(now back to your original program, already in progress)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 16, 2009, 10:42:45 PM
Man, the more I look at those pics the more I think I'll use the original Cougar front bumper. the TC just looks to pointy. For 2 years I had planned on using the TC bumper. But after Putting it on the car, it seems to long in front, and I'm not really liking it.
Now I wonder if I shouldn't use the TC hood, and put my old one back on..... Crap!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on May 16, 2009, 11:08:37 PM
Quote from: daminc;272732
Now I wonder if I shouldn't use the TC hood, and put my old one back on..... Crap!

Obviously, it's up to you, but.... I like the TC hood. I think the scoops kind of "class" it up a little. After seeing TC hoods on cars, the original flat hoods seem a little boring. Just my $.02 worth.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on May 17, 2009, 12:00:06 AM
find another cougar bumper and mix and match. Cut out the fog light area and graft it on the cougar, then you get best of both worlds. and yeah i would say keep the TC hood, unless you really don't wanna use it.. then i'll gladly take it off your hands ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 17, 2009, 07:22:13 AM
The hood....YES.The bumper cover....NO.The integrated TC fog lights would be cool (My 3rd hint...LOL).
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 17, 2009, 07:51:52 AM
LOL... ok guys, I got the hint....LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on May 17, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
Vinnie how about we do it one more time..

Jerry, you know what WOULD be cool? intergrated TC foglights :P
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on May 17, 2009, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: baxo;272741
find another cougar bumper and mix and match. Cut out the fog light area and graft it on the cougar, then you get best of both worlds. and yeah i would say keep the TC hood, unless you really don't wanna use it.. then i'll gladly take it off your hands ;)


I gotta spare TC hood laying around if he doesnt sell his to ya.:mullet:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on May 17, 2009, 10:03:51 AM
!wow!

Definitly stick with the TC hood.... either bumber looks pretty good IMHO.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: BEARMAX on May 17, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
my face is on the floor
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 17, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: BEARMAX;272830
my face is on the floor


Was it the wing sauce?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on May 17, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
Keep the TC hood ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 17, 2009, 04:57:18 PM
Looking at V8Demon's car, I'll keep the TC hood and use my front.
Mabe the fog lights will be a rainy day project.
I decided to start cleaning up the inside a little.
here's where I ended up last winter.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5459.jpg)

and for those new guys that didn't see the torque box plates from the inside.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5460.jpg)

I got it cleaned up real good and decided to paint the whole inside.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5461.jpg)

while that was drying I put the back bumper on the car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5463.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5464.jpg)

Then while I was resting, I put a set of shocks on the back of the car.
Here's pics of the rear end of the car in case your new to the group and didn't want to read through 1331 posts.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5465.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5466.jpg)

That's all for today, we'll see what happens tomorrow
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 17, 2009, 05:46:25 PM
Quote from: baxo;272767
Vinnie how about we do it one more time..

Jerry, you know what WOULD be cool? intergrated TC foglights :P


Hey,you know,if you integrated the fog light holes from the TC bumper cover,that would really rawk !!!! I mean,I don't want to be pushy or anything.BUT,it IS a great idea.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 17, 2009, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;272842
Hey,you know,if you integrated the fog light holes from the TC bumper cover,that would really rawk !!!! I mean,I don't want to be pushy or anything.BUT,it IS a great idea.


Yea, I'm gonna do it. I just need another Cougar cover to do it with.
I'll put her together with mine. I got 2 gallons of paint coming tomorrow, so repainting another one down the road won't be a problem.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on May 17, 2009, 10:27:12 PM
it looks so damn nice under there!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Clayton on May 17, 2009, 11:54:53 PM
are you leaving the inside red??
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 18, 2009, 07:44:08 AM
Quote from: 87thunderbirdBlackJack;272880
are you leaving the inside red??


Oh yea, It's impossible to find an interior in the same perfect condition as mine. There's a small cig burn in the back seat. (long story), but it's another one of those reasons that I kept the car.

For those that never saw or don't remember......
Pics of my interior that needs a little cleaning.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2835.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2836.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2837.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2838.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2839.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2843.jpg)

Even the trunk looks new. (also needs cleaning)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/cougar%20before/IMG_2841.jpg)

If everything goes well, the interior should be back in by the end of June. With the upgrades of course..:D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on May 18, 2009, 09:36:33 AM
:jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 18, 2009, 04:33:19 PM
the only things that my interior needs are a dash cover and the drivers hanle scoop... been searching forever.....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 18, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
I'm glad you're going witht eh Cougar front. I think it looks best on the car :D

I know you're putting in the full length console but are you putting in a floor shifter as well?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 18, 2009, 06:44:19 PM
Yes, I have to put in the shifter because I guess there's a header clearance problem with the column shift linkage. And why not. It's just plain cool. LOL
I got the entire shot, all stock. Not sure where it is though.



Today I started cleaning up little Odds-N-Ends type of things.
I drilled the seat bolts and put larger bolts and washers in, and through Chucks seat brackets.
I just need to enlarge the hole on the seat bracket. It just seemed like that little thin bolt was a weak link in the whole situation.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5467.jpg)

And inside. I got the nut on to keep from losing it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5468.jpg)

This week there will be a lot of small things that will get finished to get ready for the body work. It's better to do them now, then after the car is painted.

I'll also be ordering the mat for the inside this week.
I was looking at this.
http://www.secondskinaudio.com/products/vibration-mat-damplifier-lite.php (http://"http://www.secondskinaudio.com/products/vibration-mat-damplifier-lite.php")
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 19, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
Started grinding down the last minute welds and rust that I come across. All ready for filling.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5474.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5479.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5481.jpg)

Found some rust in the drip rail
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5476.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5477.jpg)

Cleaned it up and treated it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5480.jpg)

So now I'm thinking.........Hey, I have talents. Why can't I make my own sound deadener and radiant barrier. LOL

I use these products all the time building houses, why not in a car...

here's some stuff I always have on hand.
I got rolls of this stuff.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5482.jpg)

And I use this stuff all the time.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5483.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 19, 2009, 07:36:01 PM
Man,I have got to say,I am impressed.It never ceases to amaze me.Good work my friend.I still have a ways to go.You may end up getting finished before me.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 19, 2009, 08:32:02 PM
I got a long way too.
On another update, I got my paint yesterday. they messed up the order and gave me 3 gallons of black paint. instead of 2 paint and 1 primer. I'm going to keep it because of the price difference and get another gal. of epoxy primer. They did send the hardener for the primer though, so I'm ahead of the game and now have a crapload of paint for my car. Mabe the vert will get a free black paint job. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on May 19, 2009, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: daminc;273184
Mabe the vert will get a free black paint job. :D
 
Or Mine..you know i plan on making mine black/orange :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 20, 2009, 02:54:54 PM
You know with all the extra metal plus that sound deadening/heat shield your car is going to be heavy ;) Might want to stick a stroked and poked 351W in just incase :evilgrin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 20, 2009, 10:15:49 PM
I don't think it's going to be as heavy as everyone thinks.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: BEARMAX on May 20, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
boats and hoes
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 21, 2009, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: daminc;273398
I don't think it's going to be as heavy as everyone thinks.


That's ok who doesn't want a 408W? Come on it'll be fast ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 21, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
Todays work,
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5493.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5495.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5496.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5497.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5498.jpg)

And a couple random pics of the car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5499.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5500.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5501.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on May 21, 2009, 07:12:51 PM
Nice. I would like to see how all the sound deadener stuff works out for you.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 21, 2009, 08:47:11 PM
It seems to be pretty dead sounding when I rap on the underside of the floor.
the first layer is butyl. 2nd is rubberized/asphalt  layer (basically torch down roofing).
3rd layer is the aluminum insulation/ radiant barrier. it also has an R-13 insulation value.
The padding under the carpet will be the 4th layer in the entire mix, follower by the carpet.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on May 22, 2009, 03:42:10 AM
Quote from: daminc;273593
It seems to be pretty dead sounding when I rap on the underside of the floor.
the first layer is butyl. 2nd is rubberized/asphalt  layer (basically torch down roofing).
3rd layer is the aluminum insulation/ radiant barrier. it also has an R-13 insulation value.
The padding under the carpet will be the 4th layer in the entire mix, follower by the carpet.

Leave some room for the gas pedal to move. I have a hard time shifting mine with the floor mat in.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 22, 2009, 07:24:34 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;273647
Leave some room for the gas pedal to move. I have a hard time shifting mine with the floor mat in.


Not a problem. With everything I'm putting in, it's still thinner then the original sound deadener that a scraped out.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 22, 2009, 08:09:09 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;273647
Leave some room for the gas pedal to move. I have a hard time shifting mine with the floor mat in.


Same here.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on May 23, 2009, 04:15:21 AM
So whats the cost of the supplies to make your sound deadener/ insulation?

Right now my car has front seats, seat belts, dash, and a dome light. Everything else is out to be cleaned and fit my floor rust.

Im know you said in here someplace where to get the POR-15 but I can never find what Im looking for. Where should I get it from and how much will it take to do the floors, and what all would I need to do your insulation method?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 23, 2009, 07:34:24 AM
I would have to price out what I used. Unfortunately  I buy in bulk for a job, which means you would probably pay more then just buying dynamat, and would have a crapload left over for the small amount that you would need for your car compared to what you would buy. I figure what I'm putting into the car would be around the $250-$300 range. Mabe more because I'm also doing all the interior quarter panels, trunk, door,and probably the roof.
I guess My actual cost to to this is $0, because it's left over

The zero-rust you can score here. it's about $19 a quart and $60 a gallon.
if your just doing the inside floor, you will only need a quart. if your doing the underside too. I would just get a gallon for the $60. Just brush and roll it with a small 3" roller.

they also have the pickelx here to if you want to convert the rust as a 1st step.
http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=6RCC (http://"http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=6RCC")
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Post by: DVP on May 23, 2009, 01:05:30 PM
So Zero-Rust not POR-15, and the pickelx should be done to do it right huh? Think Ill go a gallon since Ill probably end up doing the underside where the undercoating has come off and rust is starting. Trunk wouldnt hurt either.

Did you have any rust on the inside of  the roof? I have some at the front center an on one of the sides. Thought it was a little odd.

Thanks
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 23, 2009, 02:54:20 PM
I haven't taken the head liner out, so I  don't know if there's any rust up there. I hope not.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 25, 2009, 07:06:02 PM
Today was a good day.
I finished up the floor today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5509.jpg)

and dug out some goodies. It feels like Christmas today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5510.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5511.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5512.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5513.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5515.jpg)

And just to be ready I pulled these out too
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5514.jpg)

So I did a little dry fitting
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5516.jpg)

And like someone read my mind, and drew this up just for me. I went to work
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5517.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5519.jpg)

And finished up the floor
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5520.jpg)

And then it was time........................
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5521.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5522.jpg)

I still need to cut the carpet and mount some things, but it's starting to not look so scary anymore

here's the back
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5523.jpg)

That's all for today. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on May 25, 2009, 07:51:15 PM
sweet. Its really starting to look like a car now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 25, 2009, 09:08:35 PM
Nice man,gettin it done.
Either picklex or por-15 will work.
Jerry uses pickelx i use por-15,they both work very well.
I have personal experience with por and it works very very well,at least it has on my sc over the winter(no rust).
I also put some on a buddy at works 89 z24 that is all rotted out and the rust never came through even with all the salt up here and that thing is rotten,probably worse than jerry's ride although.......lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on May 25, 2009, 09:09:56 PM
Wow nice work! Although I would have thought you'd paint it black inside there before you started putting the interior back in, or at least paint the door jambs.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 25, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
The painting has nothing to do with the interior. There's a greater chance of me scratching something putting the interior back in. Those seats are pretty heavy with the motors. This way it's pretty much all set after the painting. It'll all get covered and sealed up whether the interior is in or not.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 25, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
Jerry, things are really moving along huh???? its a good thing the dash wasnt out....my dash was half taken out by some shmuck, who was supposed to do the heater core(before i found this site), and now i cant listen to the radio, cause every time i go over a bump, the dash bounces, and causes a really annoying crackel/short in the speakers,...... all i have are some metal mounts, and a glove box full of screws..:punchballs: i cant figure out where they go,.... and im itching to listen to my complete pioneer sound system....(4 6 1/2 dual cone speakers... and two 10 inch subs with a 1000 watt amp... yeah it should roar..but the whole dash yhing is a HUGE headache.........ugh... it depresses me......



But anywy .......LOOKS GREAT!!!!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DerikWayne on May 26, 2009, 09:53:28 AM
Damn
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 26, 2009, 10:35:26 AM
yeah thats what i say evry day..... its depressing
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 26, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Looking good:D

Pretty soon you can sit in it and pretend to drive ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: bike70ride on May 26, 2009, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: dominator;274328
Nice man,gettin it done.
Either picklex or por-15 will work.
Jerry uses pickelx i use por-15,they both work very well.
I have personal experience with por and it works very very well,at least it has on my sc over the winter(no rust).
I also put some on a buddy at works 89 z24 that is all rotted out and the rust never came through even with all the salt up here and that thing is rotten,probably worse than jerry's ride although.......lol.
Good to hear about the POR-15.  I'm trying it out for the first time on my Cougar.  Seems to be quite the product so far :)  DEFINITELY glossy!!!  Hope I can top coat it as shiny!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 26, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
more progress today
uncovered my seats today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5524.jpg)

then proceeded to do the nasty
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5525.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5526.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5527.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5529.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5530.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5531.jpg)

then after the console was removed, I repaired the missing area
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5532.jpg)

this stuff is great for everything
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5533.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5534.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5535.jpg)

now to see how everything is going together
Looks like I'll be spraying the center console to match the interior color
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5537.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5538.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5540.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5539.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on May 26, 2009, 10:18:44 PM
wow, that stuff definitely is good for everything after this you should become a spokesperson for it!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 27, 2009, 11:12:24 AM
So are you putting the digi gauges in from the T-bird?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 27, 2009, 11:28:46 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;274587
So are you putting the digi gauges in from the T-bird?


I already have them
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 28, 2009, 04:03:45 PM
Started filling and scuffing for paint....Maybe this weekend, we'll have to see.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5550.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5551.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5552.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: croga001 on May 29, 2009, 01:16:47 AM
very nice
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Ifixyawata on May 29, 2009, 04:12:19 AM
yay!  scotch-brite!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 29, 2009, 07:57:31 AM
You know what's funny, after all the work I did on this car, no one will ever see what I did, because it's all covered up with something. This thread is the only proof that shows it was done, and how it was done.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on May 29, 2009, 08:16:02 AM
Great job!! I admire your determination!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on May 29, 2009, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: daminc;274850
You know what's funny, after all the work I did on this car, no one will ever see what I did, because it's all covered up with something. This thread is the only proof that shows it was done, and how it was done.

 
Well then this thread needs it's own server with eleventy-billion levels of security and quadruple redundancy across the board. And that includes four mouses keyboards and screens for the terminal, just to be an a-hole. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on May 29, 2009, 12:20:27 PM
After everything you did and are doing, I'd be afraid to take it out of the garage when it's done. I don't want to curse you to say why.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 29, 2009, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;274899
After everything you did and are doing, I'd be afraid to take it out of the garage when it's done. I don't want to curse you to say why.


I couldn't even imagine what evil is lurking in your mind about my car


anyhow............
I did some more scuffing and priming. Just about ready to paint. I'll see what the weather is like tomorrow and if I have time.

All ready to go, just have to finish a couple last minute details and finish masking and covering the rest
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5553.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5554.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5555.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 30, 2009, 07:28:49 AM
Hey jerry,why not just take the master off????
It's only two bolts and is super easy without the lines on there.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 30, 2009, 07:52:46 AM
LOL
You know, I thought about that last night after I looked at the pics.
I also have to remove the shift linkage and a couple other things first, so I probably will.
That's why I take so many pics. It's easy to get overwhelmed by a project this size. It's easier to stand back and take a look at what others see with the pics I take.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 30, 2009, 09:45:25 AM
LOL true enough,sometimes we car guys do things the hard way!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on May 30, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
looking good jerry!!!!!!! So hows the motor coming????????
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 30, 2009, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;275103
looking good jerry!!!!!!! So hows the motor coming????????


Oh crap, I knew I forgot something....:hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 30, 2009, 04:52:09 PM
I am SO proud of you dear.Lovely,just lovely.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 30, 2009, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;275129
I am SO proud of you dear.Lovely,just lovely.


Oh Vincent, you say the sweetest things.
:hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 30, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
Todays progress....
Yep you guessed it. Paint!!!
Here we are after the 2nd coat
It's still a little hazy in there
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5558.jpg)

after the 3rd coat
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5563.jpg)

Done
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5566.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5567.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5568.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5569.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5570.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5571.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5575.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5576.jpg)

I guess it's time for the rest of the body work now. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on May 30, 2009, 06:34:26 PM
That is gonna look real good Jerry when it's all finished friend. :poke:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on May 30, 2009, 07:21:14 PM
Shiny!!!
Is that base clear jerry or just enamel.
I guess she's going black.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 30, 2009, 07:54:00 PM
Single stage acrylic urethane.
No need for bb/cc with a solid color. ;)

oh yea, it's going to be very black and bad ass looking
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on May 30, 2009, 08:38:36 PM
looks super!!!!! that car has come a lonnnnnnnng way.have you chosen a color for the car yet?.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 30, 2009, 09:23:14 PM
Yep, that was it. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on May 31, 2009, 11:34:31 AM
thats the only problem with black.. takes shitty pics... cant see nothing in those engine bay pics. LOL.  looking good man.  cant wait to see the car painted.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on May 31, 2009, 11:47:08 AM
Looks great, Jerry!  BTW, what rusty wheels are on there now?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on May 31, 2009, 12:03:41 PM
tis the time to make new brake lines,,, its something you will thank yourself later for.

why not now, all the lines can be gotten to now a lot easier.


looking great man,, thanks for keeping this thread going with plenty of porn to stare at:D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on May 31, 2009, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: HAVI;275235
Looks great, Jerry!  BTW, what rusty wheels are on there now?


The stock steel rims for the spoke wheel covers

Quote
1WLD BRD   
 thats the only problem with black.. takes shitty pics... cant see nothing in those engine bay pics. LOL. looking good man. cant wait to see the car painted.


It's no better to see in person, the glare is tremendous off that paint. That's the shiniest black I've ever seen, or painted.


Quote
jcassity   
tis the time to make new brake lines,,, its something you will thank yourself later for.

why not now, all the lines can be gotten to now a lot easier.


That's the plan
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on May 31, 2009, 04:52:03 PM
Oooooooooooh.....I wanna touch it.....your paint that is.LOL.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarXLS on June 01, 2009, 11:17:06 AM
wow, coming right along.  Nice, very nice.  :jerry:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 03, 2009, 06:16:24 PM
Shiney :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on June 03, 2009, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: daminc;275148
No need for bb/cc with a solid color.

The engine compartment looks awesome!! I think a single stage in there is just fine too, but why not a bc/cc for the exterior? We painted my son's TC a solid color (black) and we used bc/cc on that. We plan on doing the same with our current project TC when we paint that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 03, 2009, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;275758
The engine compartment looks awesome!! I think a single stage in there is just fine too, but why not a bc/cc for the exterior? We painted my son's TC a solid color (black) and we used bc/cc on that. We plan on doing the same with our current project TC when we paint that.


It's actually the same thing as the clear coat in a bc/cc paint job. Just eliminating the base stage.
It also has a warmer deeper finish with a solid color. I can put more coats on and not worry about breaking through the finish when I sand and buff, like with a clear.
The only way to describe it is.... it has that old school lacquer feel about it compared to a bc/cc paint. If I did a 2 tone or a metallic, I would have used base and clear.

The other problem with bc/cc, is if there's a problem that you don't see, like a scratch. The clear will magnify it with every coat that is applied . Less noticable with a solid color paint, because it will keep filling a scrarch, and be gone (or almost) after you sand, and buff it smooth. Single stage has a lot of advantages if you know how to work it. And it's all preference I guess. ;)
Not saying any one is better, just the look i'm going for.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on June 04, 2009, 07:48:47 PM
This is not the time to slow down, I need a fix!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 04, 2009, 07:56:56 PM
I was working on the shifter and center console. It still looks the same. although the fenders and bumper are back on.
New pics tomorrow kitz
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on June 05, 2009, 12:26:43 PM
sorry to hijack but with the base/clear all in one what kind of prep work is needed? I know you still have to block the entire car but does it need primer or can just spots of primer where there was some work done be ok? Plus im going from a light color to a somewhat darker color will that effect it in anyway?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 05, 2009, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;276021
sorry to hijack but with the base/clear all in one what kind of prep work is needed? I know you still have to block the entire car but does it need primer or can just spots of primer where there was some work done be ok? Plus im going from a light color to a somewhat darker color will that effect it in anyway?


John
As with any painting, It's not really necessary to prime the whole car.
But if you changing a color, It's usually best to prime or seal the entire care with the same 1 color. this way you won't get tint variations where the primer was compared to the old paint. It will also depend on the color of your primer too. I like to use a dark gray or black primer under dark colors. and light under light colors. it helps on the paint coverage and bleed through of a contrasting primer color.
I'm using a black epoxy primer under my black paint.
Are you painting your car? or having it done?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on June 05, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
im thinking of tackeling this myself. once the rockers are in place that is. So basically id have to seal it even though its white? Also the color im thinking about using is about 2 or 3 shades darker the paint color is called titanium grey. and id like to seal it up anyway so its protected from any moisture and rust.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 05, 2009, 09:29:02 PM
This weeks picture show.
not really much, due to the pool rebuilding I'm doing
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5582.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5584.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/interior/IMG_5585.jpg)

and the front end is back on ready to be aligned again.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5580.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5581.jpg)

And of course the pool
I reconstructed the shape and now I'm stripping the old paint off the coping, so it can be repainted.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Pool%202009/IMG_5578.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Pool%202009/IMG_5579.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 05, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: Cougar8775;276108
im thinking of tackeling this myself. once the rockers are in place that is. So basically id have to seal it even though its white? Also the color im thinking about using is about 2 or 3 shades darker the paint color is called titanium grey. and id like to seal it up anyway so its protected from any moisture and rust.


Then go with a light gray primer. You can use epoxy on the repaired sections, and use the same epoxy as a sealer. you just need to thin it down more to use as a sealer.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 07, 2009, 12:54:17 PM
Did you weld in a re-enforcement plate for the shifter?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on June 07, 2009, 05:56:51 PM
Seen this at carlisle , now that's what you needed.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on June 07, 2009, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;276319
Seen this at carlisle , now that's what you needed.


If anybody can rebuild that stang then (Dr D) would be who I'd call upon. :poke: :evilgrin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 07, 2009, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;276292
Did you weld in a re-enforcement plate for the shifter?


No I didn't, seeing that I didn't know where the shifter was actually going to be. I can always bolt a reinforcement plate into the floor and shifter bolts if needed.

Kitz, I wish I had one for this car. Mabe the next project.



So in between stripping and re-spraying the aluminum coping for the pool. I degreased and got the bird out. pulling the motor is next on the list.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5643.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5644.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5645.jpg)

Does anyone know if this tag has any information about the motor or the car it's self?
Just curious, didn't know if the tag was of any importance, or if it was a part # or something,
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5646.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5647.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on June 08, 2009, 02:08:52 AM
The E7SE is a part number. E7 I do belive is a newer 90's part number. I know the E6 heads that are on the stock cougar/tbird are E6...

I would bet the valve covers were replaced at some point. Are you going full H.O.?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on June 08, 2009, 07:45:41 AM
Are you planning on taking the air intake silencer off? Now would be the time with the fenders off. I took mine with the fender on, what a job!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 08, 2009, 07:50:41 AM
Yes, I'm going stock HO for now.

And I'm sure other things will be coming off and upgraded

It's definitely a part # for something. Just wondering what?
I'm gonna see what the sticker underneath says, if I can get this one off of it.

When I bought the car, the rumor was that the motor was replaced at some time in the 90s. But there's no sign of any bolts, fenders, or hood ever being removed.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 08, 2009, 08:50:03 AM
The sticker is a calibration number (it even says so on the sticker), not a part number. Ford engines have had those stickers since the 70's and still have them to this day (some have a bar code).

Here's a breakdown of what the label means. Yours doesn't have the bar code, but it does have the info in the top left portion of this example. There may be another sticker on the engine with the bar codes
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 08, 2009, 08:55:48 AM
what is it a calibration for? If I may ask?

I think there was a long thin sticker on the other side that got destroyed when I cleaned it.
It could have been the bar code
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: shorangerbird on June 08, 2009, 12:26:27 PM
-you need the calibration # for when buying parts(at least Ford ones) as they are cataloged by the calibration #s.  all engines use specific parts (think mostly emissions) for the specific calibration of the engine.  for example, a California car would use a different calibration code from those in the rest of the USA, or Canada for that matter...so if you buy your emissions parts from Ford you will need that #.(EGR valve, DPFE, DPFE solenoid, TAB-TAD solenoids, etc...)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 08, 2009, 01:33:57 PM
Might also just be an assembly line code, so that the proper engine with the proper emissions equipment gets installed in the proper car. There's also a calibration label inside the driver's door jamb, but I don't know if it matches the one on the engine (and since I've changed my valve covers I can't check)...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 08, 2009, 01:58:29 PM
Interesting, I'll check for the other label.
The car was also said to originally from California, and brought to PA.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 08, 2009, 09:45:31 PM
So it looks as though they put a newer calibration sticker over the older one. I guess it could've been built, and modified before it went to California. No other stickers were on the car.
That's pretty much all I have to say about that. LOL

So today I started strippin the bird. If it unbolts, unscrews, or unclips, it's going into storage in case I need a replacement of almost anything. Including bolts, clips, and screws.
also checked the car for codes before I started. the infamous EGR code was all that came up.
Just working my way to remove the motor.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5651.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 14, 2009, 05:49:06 PM
Not a lot of exciting progress like everyone's used to, but exiting for me I guess.
I did some refinishing to see if I like my idea.
Here's an idea of what I'm doing. I re-sprayed all the trim, wiper arms, etc.
There's a lot of clean up and re painting of various parts , brackets, screws, and bolts. Very time consuming.
I took pics at diff angles. I also decided to black out the window trim to match everything.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5656.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5657.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5658.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5659.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5660.jpg)

So that's it while I'm working, rebuilding the pool and getting ready to pull the motor from the bird.
I also need to clean the rubber hoses and hood seals.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on June 14, 2009, 06:06:29 PM
I think it looks awesome. But it makes your wiper blades look like shit. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thundr306 on June 14, 2009, 06:15:05 PM
Looks good. Your car has been off the road as long as mine. 9/03 inspection?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 14, 2009, 06:18:19 PM
Hey, those wiper blades are from the 80s man. They're classics  J/K

I had to put something on in case they got turned on by accident at some point. Still need to do something to those rubber hoses. mabe a little armor all will make them look a little better.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 14, 2009, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: thundr306;277728
Looks good. Your car has been off the road as long as mine. 9/03 inspection?


Yea, It's been a while. I took a couple years off to let it rust. :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on June 14, 2009, 11:16:35 PM
Hey dude...I was at least as excited this spring when I painted the trim around my windshield etc. Made it look soooo much better. Amazing what a difference little things like that make. Gottta have it, if its not there it makes you :screwy:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Watchdevil on June 14, 2009, 11:25:59 PM
It's pretty cool following the work on your car while I have just started mine.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 15, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: daminc;276407

When I bought the car, the rumor was that the motor was replaced at some time in the 90s. But there's no sign of any bolts, fenders, or hood ever being removed.


You can get a 5.0 in and out of these cars with the hood on and with out having to remove any body panels. Trust me I did it :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 15, 2009, 09:46:16 PM
That's very interesting, I wonder if there's a way to tell if it had been replaced at some point? although I think it says 87 on the original calibration sticker.. It could've been replaced with another 87 motor though. I guess we'll never really know will we.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on June 16, 2009, 07:24:32 AM
The engine could've been replaced,but everything that bolts to it was original.Valve covers,accessories,etc.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on June 16, 2009, 09:18:44 PM
You can pull the tranny and engine out together from the front of the car if your not worried about scratching your header panel. If you are, you need another person or a leveler.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 16, 2009, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Haystack;278165
You can pull the tranny and engine out together from the front of the car if your not worried about scratching your header panel. If you are, you need another person or a leveler.


I'll take everybody's word on the motor pulling, but I'm not going to test that theory with any on mine. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 17, 2009, 01:55:58 AM
Quote from: Haystack;278165
You can pull the tranny and engine out together from the front of the car if your not worried about scratching your header panel. If you are, you need another person or a leveler.


I just pulled the engine out without the trans. You can get the engine out with out scratching anything by going up and forward with an engine hoist, slowly and carefully ;)

What are you using for mounts? Are you using ChuckW's engine mounts or the factory ones? If you're not using the factory ones could I buy them? I like spares and/or incase I ever find a V6 car that needs a 5.0 ;)
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Post by: daminc on June 17, 2009, 07:33:36 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;278240
I just pulled the engine out without the trans. You can get the engine out with out scratching anything by going up and forward with an engine hoist, slowly and carefully ;)

What are you using for mounts? Are you using ChuckW's engine mounts or the factory ones? If you're not using the factory ones could I buy them? I like spares and/or incase I ever find a V6 car that needs a 5.0 ;)


I got a set from Chuck. I don't know what the condition of the existing mounts will be like after I try to pull this thing. I had to actually sawzall the ones off my 3.8. it fact, the top half of the mounts are still attached to the motor. :hick:
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Post by: thunderjet302 on June 17, 2009, 10:45:08 AM
Quote from: daminc;278258
I got a set from Chuck. I don't know what the condition of the existing mounts will be like after I try to pull this thing. I had to actually sawzall the ones off my 3.8. it fact, the top half of the mounts are still attached to the motor. :hick:


I just wanted the top and bottom metal parts of the mounts. The rubber parts of the mounts are easy to fine. If you can get the metal parts off intact I'm interested in them :D
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Post by: Kitz Kat on June 17, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: daminc;278181
I'll take everybody's word on the motor pulling, but I'm not going to test that theory with any on mine. ;)


I thought you took yours out that way?
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Post by: vinnietbird on June 17, 2009, 07:06:31 PM
Everything out the front,no worries.Easy stuff.I didn't even remove my header panel.C'mon,live on the edge.LOL.
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Post by: daminc on June 17, 2009, 07:24:53 PM
this is what was left on the car when i pulled it out. no nothing in my way
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4641.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/motor%20removal/IMG_4639.jpg)



And this weeks progress
The motor is just about ready to come out. Should be out on Saturday.
You'll have to wait until then for new pics. ;)
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Post by: daminc on June 20, 2009, 04:37:45 PM
Here's todays adventure. Pulling the new (old) motor for my car.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5664.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5665.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5666.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5667.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5668.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5669.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5670.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5671.jpg)

Here's the transmission. (obviously)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5672.jpg)

The fastest way between 2 points. A straight line. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5674.jpg)

And, here it is on the stand , ready to tear down
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5675.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5677.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5678.jpg)

That's todays picture show.
Until next time
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Post by: thundr306 on June 20, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
That donor car had some rust too!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 20, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
Yea, makes me feel better about scrapping it now
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Post by: daminc on June 21, 2009, 04:24:55 PM
Spaghetti for 2 anyone?
Got the wiring harness out of the bird, going to degrease it, and were ready to start some serious rewiring here.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5679.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5680.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5681.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5682.jpg)

And yes, I will be installing mass air wiring. If I use it, it'll already be there.
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Post by: dominator on June 21, 2009, 09:24:36 PM
Wiring and beer,hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
My experiences don't work well when these two mix lol.
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Post by: daminc on June 21, 2009, 10:01:30 PM
LOL
That was my reward after wrestling the wires out of the bird. It just wouldn't let go.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on June 22, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
The 5.0 leaked a little didn't it? ;)
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Post by: daminc on June 22, 2009, 07:31:21 PM
ok, just got done washing the wiring harness. next is to inspect all the connectors and wires for damage and the infamous shrinking wire casing at the connectors.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/wiring%20and%20rewiring/IMG_5692.jpg)


Quote
thunderjet302:"
    The 5.0 leaked a little didn't it?


Lets just say that the bolts are not hard to remove anywhere on the front of that car.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on June 22, 2009, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: daminc;279217

Lets just say that the bolts are not hard to remove anywhere on the front of that car.


Some times oil leaks are a good thing;)

You know now is the best time for the MAF conversion (which you are doing). You should try it with the harness in the car :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on June 30, 2009, 06:50:39 PM
Things are still moving along, but I'm to a point where pics won't show much progress.

Wiring has been checked and repaired. waiting for the mass air kit.
Everything is just hanging around to be installed. Probably install the lighting harness and swap what I need from the bird this weekend
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/misc%20car%20parts/IMG_5703.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/misc%20car%20parts/IMG_5704.jpg)

In the meantime, I'm stripping down the bird and pulling out the wiring I need for the lighting package that it has and putting away any usable parts that I remove.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/misc%20car%20parts/IMG_5706.jpg)


Also got a Full center console that is the right color for my 87.
The other one will go in the vert since it matches perfect in color.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/misc%20car%20parts/IMG_5705.jpg)

Also got this for my 87. Time to start polishing.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/misc%20car%20parts/IMG_5701.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/misc%20car%20parts/IMG_5702.jpg)

I guess that's all that happened this week, besides the work on the pool.
until next time
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ProTouring442 on June 30, 2009, 08:19:24 PM
Holy corrosion Batman! I didn't know there were any Fords on the Andria Doria!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
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Post by: HAVI on June 30, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
Looks like it could use a molasses bath.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 01, 2009, 05:40:00 AM
We use a acid cleaner on the alum. wheels at work. I think it's called trailer bright. It would give you a big head start.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 01, 2009, 07:29:00 AM
believe it or not. orange cleaner/degreaser will take a ton of that off too. It worked on my MC when I was cleaning the engine compartment. (came our shiny), but I'll probably use something Like trailer bright for aluminum.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 01, 2009, 01:17:57 PM
I cleaned mine and painted it. A polished EFI intake is a PITA to keep clean;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on July 01, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
Jerry, Are you talking about the Orange Blast degreaser stuff ? Because It does clean up aluminum really nice man. :poke: :headbang:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 01, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;280444
I cleaned mine and painted it. A polished EFI intake is a PITA to keep clean;)


I'm thinking brushed and some polished areas


Quote from: mercury-man
   
 Jerry, Are you talking about the Orange Blast degreaser stuff ? Because It does clean up aluminum really nice man.


The Zep orange cleaner from Home depot.
the purple stuff will work too. Had it disintegrate the paint right of the hood hinges, down to the epoxy primer. Strong stuff....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CougarSE on July 01, 2009, 09:37:45 PM
Nice 83 console, hard to find item.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on July 01, 2009, 10:43:05 PM
How did the intake box hold up?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 04, 2009, 12:28:27 AM
Quote from: DVP;280521
How did the intake box hold up?


Everything held up great, Thanks
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Post by: james cassity on July 04, 2009, 12:44:41 AM
if you were smart, you'd not forget to snatch up a bag full of those slip on screw clips.  i woud kill for a couple of them several times a year on a lot of things not even car related.

i have to make on everytime out of a piece of sheet metal bent 180 and then make a hole with a punch.
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Post by: daminc on July 05, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
Quote from: jcassity;280934
if you were smart, you'd not forget to snatch up a bag full of those slip on screw clips.  i woud kill for a couple of them several times a year on a lot of things not even car related.

i have to make on everytime out of a piece of sheet metal bent 180 and then make a hole with a punch.


Don't you worry,
After stripping the bird, I think I have about 20 lbs. of extra bolts, screws, clips, spring nuts, washers, plates, shims, regular nuts, bulbs,and various interior and exterior trim screws and fasteners,
not to mention brake pedal, E-brake pedal, hood release, interior wiring, switches, lighting, sensors, mirrors, and entire interior wiring harness.(from front to back)


[SIZE="4"]********Update************[/SIZE]

The bird is getting pretty well stripped as of today. There's not much left on it. after I remove the doors fuel tank, fuel lines, E-brake cables and a few misc items, the car will be ready to get cut up.
everything is down to a bare shell with suspension. All wiring is removed, along with the dash.I'll try to remove the windshield for baxo this week. Got 1 side free already.

I know this isn't progress on my car, but in a way, it's part of the entire project. So here's some pics of what's left of the parts car. A few more hrs. and I can send it to the big car lot in the sky, unless someone needs body parts from it.
Somewhere along the way, I'll sell (or give away) what I don't need.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5713.jpg)


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5714.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5712.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5710.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5711.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5715.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5708.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5709.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5707.jpg)

Anyway, that's this weeks progress until my mass air wiring comes. Then it's time to put her together again. hopefully I can get this bird out of here by the next weekend.
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Post by: daminc on July 05, 2009, 07:13:17 PM
Almost forgot.... This months vert pic.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/85%20Vert/IMG_5716.jpg)

Anyone have the front piece of moulding for the fender?
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Post by: mercury-man on July 05, 2009, 08:37:17 PM
Jerry , Does that mean you are leaving the side moulding trim off of your Vert ? Besides the fender sections.... :poke:
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Post by: BEARMAX on July 05, 2009, 10:11:32 PM
yea jerry i have the wide trim..that tbird doesnt have any?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 05, 2009, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: BEARMAX;281099
yea jerry i have the wide trim..that tbird doesnt have any?


the moulding is different
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Post by: james cassity on July 05, 2009, 11:24:56 PM
see if you have the ford blue oval on the carpet trim along the doors.  if you do, can you pm me,,, that is is your willing to let them go.
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Post by: daminc on July 06, 2009, 09:25:54 AM
No Ford ovals, just blank spots where they go.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 06, 2009, 06:34:22 PM
today I got my mass air kit. No stopping me now.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/new%20car%20parts/IMG_5718.jpg)

finished stripping the bird today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5719.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5731.jpg)

apparently the entire pass side 1/4 panel and the rear bumper was replaced at one time.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5730.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5729.jpg)

Musta got some used parts for the rebuild. the bumper supports are red, and the cover is an aftermarket part.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5720.jpg)

My biggest find of the day........
A virgin window moulding clip dropped in the car during assembly. It's like finding a dinosaur fossil. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5732.jpg)

All that's left is removing the E-brake lines and brackets, and that damn back seat that's rusted on by the seatbelt bolts.

I removed the fuel lines........
Is this front part of metal line replaceable?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5728.jpg)
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Post by: hirax on July 07, 2009, 10:44:46 AM
For lifting and installing the engine, I recommend to build the "adjustable engine load leveler".
It will make the work much easier, especially when you work alone.
Easy to build and here is mine.

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7453/pink053.jpg)
More  levelers (http://"http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=Adjustable+Engine+Load+Leveler")
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 07, 2009, 03:36:21 PM
You can still buy the clips like those (windshield clips). It's the rear ones that are obsolete.
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Post by: Chuck W on July 07, 2009, 03:44:59 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;281321
You can still buy the clips like those (windshield clips). It's the rear ones that are obsolete.


Are the later rear ones the same as the 83-86 ones?  I had to get some when I was putting the car back together.  They are not as "tall" as those on the front.

I did find some though.  Dorman had them.
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Post by: daminc on July 08, 2009, 07:19:02 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;281321
You can still buy the clips like those (windshield clips). It's the rear ones that are obsolete.


That's right, the narrow clips. And I thought I found gold. LOL
########################################

Alex, you need to come over and claim you prize.....(before it breaks)

I got your windshield out without breaking it. ;)

You owe me 2 sets of guitar strings. LOL
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5733.jpg)

Here it is almost out.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5734.jpg)

I need you to come over and help get it off the car, and you can take it home with you.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/parts%20bird/IMG_5735.jpg)
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Post by: daminc on July 08, 2009, 07:22:14 PM
So, anyone close to me need that rear window?
Dan?
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Post by: 86XR7project on July 08, 2009, 07:36:51 PM
Oh no! You never waste an unused guitar string!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on July 08, 2009, 08:06:49 PM
Awesome!!! Umm I can go right now LOL. Or tomorrow after work. But I need you to come to my house too there are a few things I need you to look at and get your opinion on.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 08, 2009, 09:00:41 PM
Hows Friday?
I'll stop by tomorrow
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on July 08, 2009, 09:11:44 PM
that sounds good to me
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 09, 2009, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: Chuck W;281323
Are the later rear ones the same as the 83-86 ones?  I had to get some when I was putting the car back together.  They are not as "tall" as those on the front.

I did find some though.  Dorman had them.

I don't know what the 83-86 clips look like. The 87-88 clips look like those in this post:

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showpost.php?p=265967&postcount=11

Ironically, the clips in this post came from the very Thunderbird that daminc stripped :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 14, 2009, 06:51:47 PM
I'm back to work on this baby after stripping and chopping up the parts bird.
Started the wiring today.
... also remembered I needed to change the cable that runs from the cruise servo. the V8 cable is longer then the V6.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5764.jpg)
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 15, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
Looks like fun :D. I remember whan I did the MAF conversion on mine it was a PITA to get the EEC harness plug out of the fire wall to pass the MAF wires through. Being that you don't have a bunch of things in your way it should go much smoother.;)

BTW why are the nuts on one strut tower silver and the other one black?
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Post by: daminc on July 15, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;282273
Looks like fun :D. I remember whan I did the MAF conversion on mine it was a PITA to get the EEC harness plug out of the fire wall to pass the MAF wires through. Being that you don't have a bunch of things in your way it should go much smoother.;)

BTW why are the nuts on one strut tower silver and the other one black?


I didn't paint the drivers side yet.
...... and stop looking at my nuts.....LOL
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 15, 2009, 03:30:28 PM
I can't admire you nuts? Mine are covered. :rollin:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 15, 2009, 07:15:23 PM
My nuts are now equal
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5767.jpg)

And yes, everything is going to de detailed and matching under the hood.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5770.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5769.jpg)

So anyway, I started repainting various brackets and things today.
(no, I didn't spray it on the back of the vert)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5773.jpg)

also swapped the center console with the other red one. Things match like there supposed too now.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5771.jpg)

and the new addition for the vert.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5772.jpg)

Also looks like I have to hack the nubbins off the bottom of the battery tray, to bolt it into the space that I covered over.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5774.jpg)

Also have to clean that rusty bracket up and paint it.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5775.jpg)
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Post by: 88turbo on July 15, 2009, 07:43:05 PM
arent those "nubbins" drain holes for the battery tray?  you might want to put them back in just in case your battery leaks in the future.
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Post by: daminc on July 15, 2009, 11:00:46 PM
I thought they were there to sit in the frame rail. They gotta go anyway
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 16, 2009, 08:57:57 AM
Relocated the battery to the trunk.....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 16, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
So I cut them off. They do nothing except sit in the frame rail and make it rust.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5776.jpg)

Got all the wiring back in the car. Brake and fuel lines are next.
............ And a whole lot of body work.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5780.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5781.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5778.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on July 16, 2009, 06:47:56 PM
Jerry,sorry for the delay,funds and traveling have slowed my car stuff down a lot.package coming next week.

On another subject,congrats on all the progress.It's been a long road.
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Post by: Chooglin on July 16, 2009, 07:32:07 PM
Looking real good Jerry,keep up the progress.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 16, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
Some one stole your fenders ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 16, 2009, 10:44:26 PM
Thanks guys, It has been a long road to get to this point. It's finally going back together instead of getting taken apart. This part of the project is a lot more fun then the first part.
I'm thinking it's time for the bodywork this weekend. :D
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Post by: daminc on July 16, 2009, 10:45:42 PM
And Yes, I change those fenders as much as my underwear. LOL
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Post by: Haystack on July 17, 2009, 12:25:24 AM
Once a week? Its really starting to come together. I almost don't want to imagine body work after seeing what you've already done.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 17, 2009, 01:00:22 PM
Here's a tip for you: while the fenders are off clean/Meguiar's PlasticX the washer fluid tank. I really, really want to clean mine (it's yellowed like yours) but I have to remove the fender to do so. I'm lazy and I don't want to re-align the fender unless I'm having the car painted ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 17, 2009, 04:59:56 PM
it really doesn't look yellow in person. I got another one too.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 17, 2009, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: daminc;282579
it really doesn't look yellow in person. I got another one too.


I'll take the one you have sitting around if it's clear ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 17, 2009, 05:09:39 PM
Sorry, not selling the back up. I have to have certain extras for 2 cars now. Just in case you know..
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 18, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
Apparently, there's no trunk lids to be found in the world. LOL
so here's the rebuild.

First, here my painted gas tank
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5782.jpg)

And here's the trunk lid rebuild
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5783.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5784.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5785.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5786.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5787.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5788.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5790.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5792.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5793.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5794.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5795.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5796.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5797.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5798.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on July 19, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
Man I can't believe there aren't any good trunk lids left.  Nice work.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on July 19, 2009, 09:52:29 AM
You defenately have skills!! And alot of patience!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 19, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
Here's the finishing of the trunk lid
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5799.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5800.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5801.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5802.jpg)

And then after that, I had to put the tail lights in to make sure everything is going to line up
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5804.jpg)

and then I had to do some pounding to make it fit better
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5806.jpg)

here's how it ended up at the end of the project.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5807.jpg)

not only does it curve across the back, it also curves top to bottom.  :hick:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5808.jpg)

then I ground down the rest of the welds. Filler is the next step.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5809.jpg)

Next up........... finishing the passenger side rocker panel after this intermission ..........


I noticed my neighbor coming home from a car show in the distance.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5810.jpg)

Now back to our project..............
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5811.jpg)

It always amazes me when I look under my car..... I had to take a pic or 2
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5814.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5816.jpg)

I never finished the bottom of the rocker when I put the quarter panel on. Can't remember the reason, but it's the last piece on the entire car that needs to be welded before the body work can start.

here's a couple of pics  of that project
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5817.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5818.jpg)

also painted the hood hinges today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/trunk%20lid/IMG_5819.jpg)

Next stop.... Filling, priming, and painting
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on July 19, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
You painting the car before the engine goes in jerry????
I'd say put it in first get it running then paint the body.
Saves you possibly scratching the paint.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 19, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
It'll be ok. The fenders won't go on until it's running. All the edges will be taped and protected as it goes back together...(painting it all separate)
I'd like to have it painted soon, so I could put it outside temporarily if I needed.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on July 19, 2009, 09:00:43 PM
Ever talk to that neighbor?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 19, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
why of course I do.
and it's a Z-28 with a 302..  If that's what your getting at. LOL
He bought it new when he was 18. only like 20,000 miles on it
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on July 19, 2009, 09:18:03 PM
Have to race him, lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on July 19, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
lol. my father in law is building a 68 camaro and itd going to have a 427 bored 30 over so its going to be a 433 and he is hoping it carrys the frount wheeles a good distance.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 21, 2009, 03:53:16 PM
Nice work:D. I'm suprised you couldn't find a trunk lid.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 21, 2009, 07:36:20 PM
todays update
I cleaned the outer candy shell of the gas tank.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5821.jpg)

Thinking this wasn't really the color I was going for when I started this project...............
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5823.jpg)

And pondering what I should do about the transmission situation.
C6 from the bird?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5825.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5826.jpg)

Or AOD from the 3.8?
If I use the AOD, I read that the 3.8 DS wont fit with the 5.0
But I do have a DS for the C6. Which I didn't realize was so much shorter.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5824.jpg)

I'm thinking there must already be a shift kit in the C6, seeing that it had a ratchet shifter in it.
Hmmmmmmm.
OK guys, I need some feedback on this.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: cougarman on July 21, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
If it was me, I would use the C6 and the ratchet shifter, but what do I know. :hick::hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on July 21, 2009, 08:20:11 PM
If it's for cruising,I like an AOD for the extra gear.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 21, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
The vert will now be for cruising..
I don't think I really need OD in the 87. It won't be a cruising car anymore.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on July 21, 2009, 09:15:19 PM
How is the car going to be geared?  Overdrive sure is beneficial with any highway driving if running lower rearend gears...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 21, 2009, 09:27:01 PM
Take the convertible out on the highway and shift out of OD into D and drive for a bit. If you think you can live with that, go with the C6 :hick:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 21, 2009, 09:27:58 PM
It's got a 8.8 w/3.73

If I cruise it around the Island, I never really drive faster then 45.
the vert made it to OD 2x since I've been driving it.
Don't think highway driving will be an issue with this car
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: dominator on July 21, 2009, 10:09:48 PM
C6 with 3.73s mmmmmmmmmmmmm, i've done a C6 with 3.70s in my old 75 cougar.
Revved around 32-3500rpm at 120k,kinda high in my opinion.
Get an aod out of an SC(preferably) or mustang(should be pretty cheap).
I have a rebuilt one out of an SC jerry but i just don't think i want to part with it(good spare since both my car's have aod's).
Look over on sccoa, you may find one fairly close for cheap.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on July 22, 2009, 12:39:13 AM
best advise of the day!
hardened input shaft as well on the sc aod......per tom.,, he should know.
next up would be valve bodies with a letter grade or stamp of "A" or something along those lines.
all of this gets you the best trans pretty cheap.

pm tom,,
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: ZondaC12 on July 22, 2009, 01:00:03 AM
Yes the SC aod has the A overdrive servo as well as a wider and stronger overdrive band.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 22, 2009, 02:16:30 AM
AOD, AOD, AOD:D. Are you sure the shaft from the 3.8 won't work?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 22, 2009, 07:30:10 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;283229
AOD, AOD, AOD:D. Are you sure the shaft from the 3.8 won't work?


I was reading this the other day. I'm not quite sure if the difference is just with an 88, or all 3.8s. Or for that matter, if there will be a difference that I'll run into.
I'm just be overly cautious and doing my research now before I get to that project.

Quote from: TurboCoupe50;283020
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=23840&page=2

A T5 shaft is close to the same length of a 5.0 AOD Bird and will interchange... A TC A4LD auto shaft is approx 5" shorter than a AOD shaft... A 3.8 AOD D/S is apparently a different length(see link)...


So, does anyone have the exact length of a DS for a 5.0 with a 8.8 rear?

Is that the correct length of the DS, in that link?

Did anyone ever use the DS from the 3.8 in there 5.0 swap?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on July 22, 2009, 09:11:57 AM
On topic, aerostar D/S 's are aluminum.  You have to transfer your yoke.  The gain is weight loss.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on July 22, 2009, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: jcassity;283263
On topic, aerostar D/S 's are aluminum.  You have to transfer your yoke.  The gain is weight loss.


SC AOD. Aerostar WELDED, not stamped shaft.

Jerry there is an 87-88 out at the yard. I didnt look at the lid though. Just had to back track about 10 pages.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 22, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
What about a Crown Vic Police Interceptor aluminium drive shaft cut down and balanced?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: vinnietbird on July 22, 2009, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;283278
What about a Crown Vic Police Interceptor aluminium drive shaft cut down and balanced?


I've been thinking about that.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 347Thunder on July 22, 2009, 05:11:16 PM
Do the aod I have one out of a 91' 5.0 stang with a trans-go kit and a B&M 3000 holeshot
converter and I run high 11's with no problems, it just gets hot on the highway because I was too cheap to buy a lock-up converter
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 22, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
Yea, I'll probably use my AOD... I'll deal with the DS after the motor is back in I guess
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on July 22, 2009, 10:05:35 PM
Quote from: daminc;283364
Yea, I'll probably use my AOD... I'll deal with the DS after the motor is back in I guess


A wise choice.;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 23, 2009, 08:52:40 AM
Jerry, I can get the size for you after work.I think it's 57" from end to end of the shaft,not including the yoke. We compared the size before, I'm not positive on that number though.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 23, 2009, 09:17:58 AM
Quote from: Kitz Kat;283405
Jerry, I can get the size for you after work.I think it's 57" from end to end of the shaft,not including the yoke. We compared the size before, I'm not positive on that number though.


Thanks kitz, I was going to ask you if you still had the DS length. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 23, 2009, 10:53:55 AM
I wrote it down so I would remember it, but , I don't know where I put it.lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 23, 2009, 06:38:07 PM
So, since I changed my underwear, I had to put the fenders back on. LOL

and the hood.....
Final dry run with the panels before I remove the front fenders and hood.
I'll adjust the hood hinges, and leave them on the car permanently.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5834.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5835.jpg)

test run with the gas tank. I need a little adjusting with the drivers side bracket that I made. but other then that, every-things looking great under there.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5836.jpg)

here's the DS sizes from my car. If anyone else would like to check there's along with kitz, it would help confirm the correct DS sizes between a 3.8 and a 5.0.
It's kinda cartoon like, but it gets the point across. LOL

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/img040.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on July 23, 2009, 06:53:13 PM
It's nice seeing this car come together like this. Like I said before, you defenately have talents!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 24, 2009, 04:13:17 AM
Quote from: 1Bad88tbird;283482
It's nice seeing this car come together like this. Like I said before, you defenately have talents!!

Maybe not in drawing though!! but it does get to the point.
Thunder chicken had some sizes a little back, but I couldn't find them thru search.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 24, 2009, 09:04:40 AM
The ds are the same. I reused mine when i swapped my 3.8L C5 in my '85 to a 302 AOD...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 24, 2009, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: daminc;283477
So, since I changed my underwear, I had to put the fenders back on. LOL

and the hood.....
Final dry run with the panels before I remove the front fenders and hood.
I'll adjust the hood hinges, and leave them on the car permanently.

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5834.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5835.jpg)

test run with the gas tank. I need a little adjusting with the drivers side bracket that I made. but other then that, every-things looking great under there.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/putting%20it%20back%20together/IMG_5836.jpg)

here's the DS sizes from my car. If anyone else would like to check there's along with kitz, it would help confirm the correct DS sizes between a 3.8 and a 5.0.
It's kinda cartoon like, but it gets the point across. LOL

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/Stuff%20I%20dont%20know%20where%20to%20put/img040.jpg)


Quote from: 1WLD BRD;283557
The ds are the same. I reused mine when i swapped my 3.8L C5 in my '85 to a 302 AOD...



Yes they are. I just measured my T-birds shaft and it is the same length as your Cougar's shaft. You're all set :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 24, 2009, 04:10:35 PM
pretty close to what I got to. without jacking it up.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 24, 2009, 06:09:29 PM
Nice.....
Thanks guys, I'll pretty mine up
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 25, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
I had a couple hrs, so I started the filler today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5837.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5841.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5842.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5843.jpg)

Still needs some work, but it's a start. Hopefully I'll have a few more hrs. to do more tomorrow.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 25, 2009, 08:54:03 PM
So whats your guess on An ETA on paint????
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2009, 08:12:53 AM
I don't really have a set plan for the painting, It'll get done before winter though.
I'm still working on other parts too, like the fuel and gas lines, E-brake, misc interior stuff.....

I suppose if had to, I could have it painted in about 2 weeks time. But there's no real reason to rush, since the motor is on a stand, and I haven't even started to take it apart. (and Catjam is still a year away)  :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: blu84302 on July 26, 2009, 09:47:27 AM
Are you using magnets to hold the trunk lid level?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2009, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: blu84302;283842
Are you using magnets to hold the trunk lid level?


Maybe......
LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on July 26, 2009, 10:14:09 AM
What type of filler are you using?  I could never get mine to lay down that smooth.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2009, 10:42:25 AM
I always use a short strand waterproof filler for along the weld lines, and then a light weight filler on top of that.
I usually use duraglass. and was looking for some EverCoat Rage. But I couldn't find anything smaller then a gallon. the whole car will take about a quart of filler, so I ended up getting the Napa brand (Martin Seymour). It smooths out pretty nice, and sands quick.
I guess I'll see how the durability will be in the long run.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2009, 03:32:26 PM
I stripped the paint off the rest of the car today.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5844.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5845.jpg)

And started a little filler on this side.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5846.jpg)

Still needs some filling, but It's a start.
If you think about it, there's not really a lot of filler going on this car.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5850.jpg)

That's all for today.
Tomorrows another day
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 26, 2009, 07:45:56 PM
OOOOOO ahHHHHHHHHhh,... i love seeing cars with bare metal all over..... makes them look brand new.... Welll at least till it rusts!!!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2009, 09:43:57 PM
Rusts???????.............. Not on my watch............ Never again..... LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on July 26, 2009, 09:55:50 PM
thats awesome work man!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 26, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: baxo;283971
thats awesome work man!

Thanks,
Just wait, it,s gonna get awsomer before the end of the week. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mercury-man on July 26, 2009, 11:19:16 PM
Here's all I got to say :jerry: :jerry: :jerry: is Da Man !!
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Post by: thunderjet302 on July 27, 2009, 05:15:27 PM
Looking good :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 27, 2009, 06:37:56 PM
Since I stripped all the paint off the car, I started getting some rust on it. So I decided to get rid of any new rust, and spray some slick sand on the bare metal, to protect it while I finish the body work.

I hope to spray the hood tomorrow, and move to the drivers side by the end of the week. That side is starting to surface rust too in spots.

In case your wondering, Slick Sand is a high build polyester, used to smooth out panels and get the surface flat. Basically it's a spray-able body filler.

Don't judge the body work by this picture. The 1/4 still has to be filled.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5857.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5858.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 27, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
that car will be  mint forever..... Nice family heirlumb... or however you spell it.....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 27, 2009, 06:40:41 PM
LMFAO!!!!!!! I love the way it looks now too!!!!!! hahahaha...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: BEARMAX on July 27, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
slick sand must be the same as k2 just a diferent color.that what my car is in right now
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 27, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: BEARMAX;284128
slick sand must be the same as k2 just a diferent color.that what my car is in right now


Almost, It's not a primer, just a filler.
I'll epoxy it after I board it, and flatten it. This stuff is a little easier to sand then a high build primer.
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on July 27, 2009, 10:14:43 PM
With you getting it in primer we can't tell how many cars went into the build. Lookin good!
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Post by: HAVI on July 27, 2009, 10:24:18 PM
Jerry, this slick sand, who makes it?  I've really only dealt with PPG, and K36 primer surfacer.  So is it a temporary coating that you sand off as you smooth? like maybe a 480 grit DA?  I'm curious, as I'm looking to soda blast my car, neutralize it, then want to cover it with something, before doing body work and epoxy.

Can you tell I've been out of the bodywork loop for awhile? lol
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 28, 2009, 07:54:15 AM
Quote from: 1Bad88tbird;284150
With you getting it in primer we can't tell how many cars went into the build. Lookin good!


Thats a good thing.;)



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HAVI   
Jerry, this slick sand, who makes it? I've really only dealt with PPG, and K36 primer surfacer. So is it a temporary coating that you sand off as you smooth? like maybe a 480 grit DA? I'm curious, as I'm looking to soda blast my car, neutralize it, then want to cover it with something, before doing body work and epoxy.

Can you tell I've been out of the bodywork loop for awhile? lol


I was out of the loop too. LOL

Evercoat makes Slick Sand, and Rage filler which is supposed to be the best to work with.
http://www.evercoat.com/productCategory.aspx?cat=2 (http://"http://www.evercoat.com/productCategory.aspx?cat=2")
http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=28 (http://"http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=28")

It's mainly a leveler/primer so to speak. They say it grabs the best on bare metal scratched with 80 grit, and  over epoxy.
If you don't have a lot of welding and are just surfacing the car, I would just epoxy it as soon as your done blasting it. The epoxy will seal the metal better then slick sand if your not going to work on it for a long while. Then if you have to do any body work, you can grind the epoxy off where you need to. I did the SS first because I'm so close to priming it, and the SS will need to be epoxied or sealed before the paint goes on anyway. That's why I cut out the epoxy on bare metal step.

The other way. is to blast it and use picklex on the bare metal, but it needs to stay dry and also needs to be in primer within a few months or it will start rusting again from the humidity in the air. (like mine)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 28, 2009, 03:59:08 PM
Looks done to me. It's getting there now.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on July 28, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
I'm used to applying epoxy primer first, now I see.  Makes sense in your case.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 28, 2009, 08:54:00 PM
Got out the long board.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5859.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5860.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5861.jpg)

Then sprayed another coat on everything and the hood
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5863.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5864.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5865.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5867.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5866.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on July 28, 2009, 09:13:05 PM
We're getting to the exciting part!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 29, 2009, 07:38:54 AM
And I thought the metal work was the exciting part..........LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on July 29, 2009, 09:19:58 AM
Man I wish I could lay down mud like you.  I can't count how many layers I laid down, then sanded off trying to get my panel perfect.  It never did come out perfect by the way.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on July 29, 2009, 10:46:57 PM
sometimes less is more. ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on July 29, 2009, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: daminc;284457
sometimes less is more. ;)

:bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 02, 2009, 05:28:53 PM
started the guide coat, and leveling today.
Now we can see where all the low, and high spots are on the panels. ;)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5869.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5871.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5870.jpg)

The dark shadows are the low spots in the panels.
silver spots are the high spots in the panels
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5868.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5873.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5874.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on August 03, 2009, 10:48:09 AM
Would you mind showing me what you use for sanding?  I did most of my work with a D/A, and a 8" board.  I needed to buy a flex long-board but never got one.  Its been my experience that there is a "sweet set" of tools that will do 99.9% of the work that needs to be done.  You don't seem to be the type to waste $$.

Your causing me flashbacks.
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2023/4641/30057320029_large.jpg)

-DZ
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: massCougarxr7 on August 03, 2009, 12:53:47 PM
it dissapoints me to see this thread  at 75% completion.............
But then again,.......next up is the VERT!!!!!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on August 03, 2009, 07:44:05 PM
take off all the paint and clear coat it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 03, 2009, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: danzajax;285075
Would you mind showing me what you use for sanding?  I did most of my work with a D/A, and a 8" board.  I needed to buy a flex long-board but never got one.  Its been my experience that there is a "sweet set" of tools that will do 99.9% of the work that needs to be done.  You don't seem to be the type to waste $$.

Your causing me flashbacks.
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2023/4641/30057320029_large.jpg)

-DZ


(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5875.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 03, 2009, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;285087
it dissapoints me to see this thread  at 75% completion.............
But then again,.......next up is the VERT!!!!!!


Don't worry, I could stretch it out for another year if I needed
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on August 03, 2009, 11:06:21 PM
What do you sand the contours with then? I used a piece of garden hose wrapped in paper.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 04, 2009, 08:21:55 AM
I still use the same board. I just follow through from the flat surface into the contoured area with the long edge of the board. It takes a lot of practice, but it wont create low spots coming off the flats.
If you use a straight line sander like I'm doing, it's easy to keep the curves and lines all straight and flat, because it's 17" long and will always stay on top of all the high spots when you sand.
You also need to use a guide coat when sanding a panel, or you'll never know if it's really flat or wavy

It might be time for me to make a video of some of this finishing work as I progress.
The other 1/4 panel, door, and both fenders still need to be done

This was after 5 min of sanding. you can immediately see where all the lows are once you drag the sander across the panel.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5872.jpg)

same panel after leveling. The dark spots need filling, because I'm down to bare metal on the edges.
You can see dark areas near the mirror area, around the handle area, and in the curve of the door near the fender
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5873.jpg)

The 1/4 obviously needs filling. if I used a shorter sander or something flexible here, you would see a wave in the paint when it was in the sun. If you use a hose with paper on it for some sanding, make sure it's stiff enough to work with. You probably won't need to use it much. Maybe a couple small trouble areas that the board can't get into
You just need to remember that smooth isn't the same thing as flat. If I sanded this out (and the door) without more filling, it would look like a fun house mirror after it was painted. :hick:
Just keep in mind that mine has a little more leveling involved, because of the welding, and the 2 panels that are matched up back here.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5874.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 04, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
When ya going to come over and do my T-bird. It doesn't have any rust. It just needs to be striped, smoothed, sanded, and painted ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: CatCarMan2012 on August 04, 2009, 05:47:29 PM
Thanks for the pointers.  Now just give me your cell phone number so I have someone to call when I start the body work on the Rabbit.
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Post by: ProTouring442 on August 04, 2009, 07:07:22 PM
One caution about the sander pictured. The paper tends to get pulled into the low spots and remove the guide coat leading you to believe that the surface is perfectly level when in fact it is not. The same sanding board, but made to utilize PSA paper, a sticky backed sanding paper (PSA: Pressure Sensitive Adhesive) works much better as the adhesive keeps the paper adhered to the board and thus not down in the low spots.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 04, 2009, 07:36:31 PM
Quote from: ProTouring442;285258
One caution about the sander pictured. The paper tends to get pulled into the low spots and remove the guide coat leading you to believe that the surface is perfectly level when in fact it is not. The same sanding board, but made to utilize PSA paper, a sticky backed sanding paper (PSA: Pressure Sensitive Adhesive) works much better as the adhesive keeps the paper adhered to the board and thus not down in the low spots.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill


I will agree with that. The press on sander paper is better.
I'm still stuck in the old school way of doing certain things.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on August 04, 2009, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: daminc;285146
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5875.jpg)


those work great with adheasive paper.

that what i used on my mav the first few times i primed and blocked it with 80 grit
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on August 05, 2009, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: ProTouring442;285258
One caution about the sander pictured. The paper tends to get pulled into the low spots and remove the guide coat leading you to believe that the surface is perfectly level when in fact it is not. The same sanding board, but made to utilize PSA paper, a sticky backed sanding paper (PSA: Pressure Sensitive Adhesive) works much better as the adhesive keeps the paper adhered to the board and thus not down in the low spots.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill


you made a summary of the novel i was about to type,,, x2 on sticky back sand paper.  it will also stretch an sag into the low areas if non sticky back is used.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on August 05, 2009, 12:24:34 AM
how are you taking care of the high spots?

I have always had problems dealing with outward dings and higher surfaces.
Am i correct to flat hammer the areas down, then fill/sand on the larger ones while the lower high spots i would count on the primer and paint to build up around and hide.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 05, 2009, 07:49:04 AM
Yes, the high spots will be hit down and filled where needed. unless I can spray another coat over everything and it'll flatten out. Don't forget it still needs to be primed next.
Gonna try to get back to work on it again before the weekend. I'll also try to get a new update and some pics. This side came out a little worse then the drivers side during the panel welding too.

I'll get some sticky paper... Now watch me mess it up. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on August 05, 2009, 04:58:17 PM
Your doing fine. I was watching. I have faith in you and the old way's.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: james cassity on August 07, 2009, 12:26:41 AM
hmm
make the last thread stop of page 199 making it the 199speedo mod post. 

looks like a good end to a great story.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on August 07, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
I see it as page 40?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on August 14, 2009, 11:10:55 PM
Period of absence catch up complete.

I will miss the progress when it is complete.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 14, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
Don't worry, I have another.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: blain_gatterdam on August 15, 2009, 02:04:07 AM
hey youre not supposed to let me run out of pages to click!

lol, this thing is pretty awesome, cant wait to get 20 pages behind again :P
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: DVP on August 15, 2009, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: daminc;286729
Don't worry, I have another.


Just not the same, just not the same....;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 15, 2009, 02:06:58 PM
It just might be,,,,,,,, depending on how much rust I find on it, and what I do to it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 19, 2009, 07:22:34 PM
yea, I know....I got a little busy building the shop, and there really weren't any pictures that showed any new progress on the car.

first things first
just need siding and doors
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Garage%20addition/IMG_5908.jpg)

next up.... the elusive black spotted cougar.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5909.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5910.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5912.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5914.jpg)

the hood, trunk, and passenger side, might be primed by this weekend. :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 19, 2009, 11:30:53 PM
You should keep it like that ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on August 20, 2009, 07:30:48 AM
Holy Cow! (that about sums up both projects ;) )
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Thunder Chicken on August 20, 2009, 08:27:33 AM
Looks like "Project Evolution" has been upgraded to "Project Bessie"...
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Watchdevil on August 20, 2009, 08:55:21 AM
It's finally looking like a functional Cougar again! Great job! It won't be long she will be on the road and looking fine!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1WLD BRD on August 20, 2009, 09:16:36 AM
nice paint job but I think you were a little thin in some spots, I can see some sealer through it....
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 20, 2009, 05:56:45 PM
It's come along way to become "Bessie the Cow Car"

[SIZE="7"][FONT="Fixedsys"]got milk?[/FONT][/SIZE]
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5909.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: V8Demon on August 20, 2009, 06:42:12 PM
moo.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: HAVI on August 20, 2009, 08:26:22 PM
California has happy cows.  Maybe you should bring it to California?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 20, 2009, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: HAVI;287369
California has happy cows.  Maybe you should bring it to California?


why not, some of the car is from there now.
We were actually looking for some property in northern New Mexico.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Cougar8775 on August 21, 2009, 12:24:38 PM
why to run away from the rust and snow lol.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 24, 2009, 07:19:07 PM
Started the other side today
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5920.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5921.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5922.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 24, 2009, 09:06:03 PM
Mint cow? ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Sleeper on August 25, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
Hey all.  I'm new to the forum and this is my first post.  If anyone cares to offer any advice on getting around here I would welcome it!  Now to my post.  I have an '85 T-Coupe that I am basically turning into a (borderline) street legal racer.  I am gutting the interior and am looking to sell/trade, whatever internal parts I have.  All is in good overall condition, including the instrument cluster itself.

I go by sleeper because externally I intend to keep the car as original as possible.  I am installing a 351W w/Roush-World heads, 10:1 comp, roller valvetrain, etc....  I have the engine built and am starting on the small block C6 after I get the paint on the car this fall.  One quick, and I'm sure stupid question - how do I start a thread?  Thanks for any and all responses

Sleeper
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on August 25, 2009, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: Sleeper;288232
Hey all.  I'm new to the forum and this is my first post.  If anyone cares to offer any advice on getting around here I would welcome it!  Now to my post.  I have an '85 T-Coupe that I am basically turning into a (borderline) street legal racer.  I am gutting the interior and am looking to sell/trade, whatever internal parts I have.  All is in good overall condition, including the instrument cluster itself.

I go by sleeper because externally I intend to keep the car as original as possible.  I am installing a 351W w/Roush-World heads, 10:1 comp, roller valvetrain, etc....  I have the engine built and am starting on the small block C6 after I get the paint on the car this fall.  One quick, and I'm sure stupid question - how do I start a thread?  Thanks for any and all responses

Sleeper


Welcome to the forum.  Best advice I can give is to start your own thread by going to say the user rides section and click "new thread" on the top left corner.  Right now you are kind of hijacking daminc's thread...

Sounds like you have a hell of a motor going in there!  This is a great forum so stick around and you will learn a ton.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 25, 2009, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: 50tbrd88;288237
Welcome to the forum.  Best advice I can give is to start your own thread by going to say the user rides section and click "new thread" on the top left corner.  Right now you are kind of hijacking daminc's thread...

Sounds like you have a hell of a motor going in there!  This is a great forum so stick around and you will learn a ton.


NP, I like a good hijack.

Welcome aboard Sleeper
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 88turbo on August 26, 2009, 02:40:42 AM
MORE!!!!!  I need MORE!!!!  :D
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 26, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
Here's more
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5923.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5925.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5928.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5926.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Chooglin on August 26, 2009, 07:55:06 PM
Wooo Hooo !!!! its getting close to paint time.

Looking good :bowdown:
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 50tbrd88 on August 26, 2009, 11:24:52 PM
Sweet.  You're gettin' there!!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Haystack on August 27, 2009, 12:38:36 AM
It really is a shame that you have to cover all of that up. It looks damn good to me.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 27, 2009, 07:31:32 AM
I have to flatten this side with the board, and I also have to strip the fenders and do those. then I can prime the car and paint it. Although, I also have to see what I'm doing with the roof. not sure if I'm stripping it down or just surfacing it. I'll think about that when I'm on vacation in Cape Cod making time lapse videos. LOL
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on August 27, 2009, 07:42:32 AM
LOL have fun at cape cod, and remember to let me know when you're primeing!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 27, 2009, 07:50:59 AM
I think I'm going to plan for a total prime and paint, back to back. I ordered garage doors yesterday, so I have to wait until they go on the shop so I can clear out all the crap to paint. We'll plan a weekend to paint it. I have to paint the backs of everything too.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: baxo on August 27, 2009, 09:19:57 AM
sounds good to me, just let me know whenever.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
Had a few minutes to do some sanding.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5929.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5930.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on August 28, 2009, 08:11:23 PM
Looking good! You got your camera lens wet, didn't you?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
LOL, that was the flash reflecting off dust in the air.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on August 28, 2009, 08:23:49 PM
Haha!! Okay that explains it.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: FLSTCI71 on August 28, 2009, 08:59:13 PM
Looking great!! Are you using plastic to cover things temporary and then using paper for the final tape off? I am asking because I found out the hard way - If you get overspray on the plastic and then flex it during painting, the overspray will flake off and stick all over the car. It can get really nasty in a big hurry. Not trying to be a know-it-all, just sharing some of my (bad) experience.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 28, 2009, 09:06:19 PM
I use plastic for a quick cover. I also found out the hard way when I was 18. I covered the wheels with plastic trash bags for the primer, but didn't change them when I did the final paint. LOL
If you could imagine gloss black, with flecks of light grey primer on it.....oooops
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: mcford on August 29, 2009, 08:24:56 PM
WOW!  Nice work and incredible project!!  when dose it get color?  and what color will it be?
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 29, 2009, 11:35:39 PM
Thanks, I'll be getting it ready for paint when I come back from Cape Cod in a couple of weeks. I'm going for black this time.
this same black
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5767.jpg)

and the trim is getting blacked out like this.
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5659.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Kitz Kat on August 31, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
Don't go finding a new putty cat this year. You should of stayed and finished it before you take a vacation!!, Have some fun!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on August 31, 2009, 07:37:42 PM
I don't have a problem finding them, as long as someone else buys them.

Todays progress pic. Slow but sure
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/paint%20and%20body/IMG_5945.jpg)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 15, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
Progress report................
This just in......................
Still sanding the drivers side.
That is all....................
Have a good day.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on September 15, 2009, 10:11:41 PM
Haha!! Short and sweet!
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: Masejoer on September 15, 2009, 10:24:44 PM
I hope your paint goes better than mine did. I have to start over and pull it all off again. Urethane 1 - heavily modified garage paint booth 0. It just may have been the cleaning chemicals though. 6 months later it was still pushing out on the hood. It was a nightmare after seeing the paint go on perfect and staying perfect until leaving the booth, only to come back with texture everywhere.
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 16, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
Come on hurry up and finish it's almost winter ;)
Title: Project Evolution *** Project Complete **** Wednesday July 9, 2014
Post by: daminc on September 16, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Seek;291396
I hope your paint goes better than mine did. I have to start over and pull it all off again. Urethane 1 - heavily modified garage paint booth 0. It just may have been the cleaning chemicals though. 6 months later it was still pushing out on the hood. It was a nightmare after seeing the paint go on perfect and staying perfect until leaving the booth, only to come back with texture everywhere.


I hate that.
That usually happens with to little flash time, and to heavy of a coat.
Had that happen to a $3000 guitar I custom painted for someone.

Did it have a cracked looking effect on it?
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Post by: Precipus on October 08, 2009, 10:16:05 PM
WHOA! Dunno if you remember my name. I am the guy with the Black Magic over @ FEP. We swapped some info on sub-frame connectors and I finally found your project over here, and boy howdy and I am glad I did! Besides the insanity part of recovering this rust bucket you have done a bang up job on every step!

Anyways I registered here just to comment on this I was so floored! I am about half way through with my custom sub-frame connectors based off of your idea, and I must say I am very pleased with them, however I am not impressed with my abilities to weld this micro thin floor pans..YUK!
Amazing work you have done here and what i would say is a relatively short time.

quick question. I realize I need to bring something over from my connectors to the second bolt spot for the seats, but sort of stumped on how this should be accomplished....if ya get a sec hop back over there and take a gander would ya?
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Post by: Chooglin on November 13, 2009, 04:15:24 PM
this thread has been idle for to long.
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Post by: daminc on November 14, 2009, 12:24:36 AM
So I guess I'll give everybody an update on the lack of progress.............

I've worked out a deal for another rust-free trunk lid, and possibly some fenders for the vert.
Since labor day, things got really busy at work. In that time, my grandfather passed away at the young age of 90, and I have been repairing things around the house for my grandmother since then. (also 90)
And then people started calling me for more work on top of what I had already. it's been a busy 2 months with everything that has happened, on top of finishing the new shop. (insulation and drywall are this weekend).
But all is not lost. I'm waiting for my brand new p heads to get shipped, and a few more tidbits for the rest of the car. also got quads for the rear. (Both cars)
I probably won't be working on the car until December. The work and painting isn't a worry since the shop is heated.

I also got misc. replacement parts for the vert..... trim, mouldings, Chrome...... that sort of thing.

I'm also going to be in search of a cam in a few weeks. Not sure which one I'm going with yet, but possibly a stage I and some forged pistons.

So that's what has been happening since labor day. Oh yea, I went to Cape Cod for 9 days too.
I'll post some pics of the shop after the drywall is up tomorrow.


Jerry
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 14, 2009, 12:44:04 AM
Sounds good man! Except for the loss, sorry to hear that! But other than that you got everything squared away anyway, nothin but a matter of time. Gonna be a helluva day when that thing rolls out all revamped....
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Post by: croga001 on November 14, 2009, 04:00:22 AM
yea i have been following and cant wait to see it painted.
sorry about your loss my thoughts are with you and your family
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on November 14, 2009, 07:52:33 AM
Sorry for your loss. Glad to see your shop is comming along, it's nice you have a heated garage to work in.
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Post by: Chooglin on November 14, 2009, 04:12:48 PM
Also sorry for your loss.

I was just curious as to where this project was at.I always look forward to coming home from work and checking up on your progress.
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Post by: daminc on November 14, 2009, 09:36:24 PM
Thanks guys


Here's some of the new shop.
New breaker box.
Bigger is always better. ;)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Garage%20addition/IMG_6043.jpg)

Insulation
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Garage%20addition/IMG_6045.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Garage%20addition/IMG_6046.jpg)

Drywall
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Garage%20addition/IMG_6048.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/our%20house/Garage%20addition/IMG_6050.jpg)


The quicker I finish this job. The sooner I can finish my car.
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Post by: Chooglin on November 15, 2009, 09:17:25 AM
why the gap, between the drywall?
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