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Title: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 26, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
A very long story short, I'm starting over with a new bird I dont like a lot of the things I did to the original car or better yet how I went about doing things. I found one that fit most of my needs fairly well. It doesn't run yet and has been sitting a very long time and needs virtually everything under it replaced. That's no big deal for me. Ive been amassing parts for a while now. The goal is to transfer all my suspension goodies under it some new and some of the stuff I already have. Subframe connectors, jacking rails seat braces ECT.  Then swap the heads and cam on my 302 toss a fitech kit at it and go.

The car is a 88 sport red on red. 90k on the clock supposedly the body is 90% rust free and aside from being faded all to hell the interior is pretty mint.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 26, 2019, 11:48:49 PM
Hopefully a nice solid foundation for you to build on.

You going to keep it the same color? Tu-tone is always an option.....
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 27, 2019, 07:59:49 AM
I'm gonna rock that red for a while, but ultimately it will be tu-tone lava red and semigloss black and sitting on these
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 27, 2019, 10:57:56 AM
Problem #1 ignition switch. Problem 2# no fuel. I'm asuming it's the pump I have one on order so that's not a big deal probably be here by the end of the week
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 27, 2019, 05:14:46 PM
Progress for the day fuel tank is out ignition switch I swapped in from the other bird. Traced all the wiring to make sure everything was working fuel wise and it seems to be. I ordered a new fuel pump hanger cause this one is toast. Tank is nasty inside but I'm sure a pressure washer will take care of most of it. I just want it to run. I don't care how good at the moment lol just needs to move around under its own power for the time being.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 28, 2019, 02:04:37 PM
Well fuel tank 1 pressure washer 0. So I got that on order now. Theres no way I'm going to get all that crud out at least I tried so thats at a standstill until the tank and hanger show up and I source a level sending unit cause thats just as nasty. So I started cleaning the other car out in the meantime started listing some non tbird extra parts on FB marketplace to try and make a few bucks towards the project. :dunno:  I swapped the new bullitts onto the old car to sell the 17s meh just figuring out what I got now. Then the real work starts. stripping the calico car is going to be easy but relocating all the parts in the red one is going to be a little more refined lol and planned out better. I'm planning on going back to front after its able to be moved under its own power. We'll be cooking with gas then.

I also got a shipment of goodies today too :headbang:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 29, 2019, 12:47:01 AM
How did the inside of the tank get that rusty?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 29, 2019, 01:31:38 AM
 :dunno: it sat with a full tank of gas for 15+ years
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on June 29, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
Ethanol fuel is the worst.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on June 29, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
Were they even putting ethanol in gas 15 years ago?

Looks like some watery shit, for sure, but that could mean ethanol...we all know how alcohol absorbs water.

What size are your Bullitts?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 29, 2019, 03:53:22 PM
Something lol. I dont need to worry too much though everythings going to be new. I got the hanger today the tank will be here Monday sometime. Then just have to get the level sending unit and she should be ready to run. I'm not concerned about how it runs it just needs to move into the shade of the garage for now so I can tinker with it and swap my stuff over to it without turning into a sundried tomato. Suspension first. Motor and tranny follows. I'll do some maintenance to the 5.0 to get it going but I'm not doing anything drastic. I want to drive it.

And Beau they're 18's probably 18x9 I'm not sure. 275/40/18

I got some more stuff pillaged from the calico. The motor and tranny are ready to pull aside from a few various connections up top. By the time I have the other mobile I'll be ready to swap the diffs and all that noise. Just taking my time waiting on the rest of my parts to show up
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on June 30, 2019, 01:46:00 AM
Mine are 17", and I think 9" wide, not for certain though.
Rears are 275/40, fronts are 245/45, on my '87 Stang...fit perfect, don't think I could any more tire in the back without rolling the fenders..

Might be the angle of the pic, but those look like they stick out some. What spindle you runnin'? 94-5, or 96+?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on June 30, 2019, 07:44:21 AM
96+ but my fender is just barely sitting there
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 01, 2019, 03:30:30 PM
Got the engine and trans out today along with stripping pretty much the rest of the car. Rear end is just about out. All thats left is the front end and mufflers for the most part. The tank showed up for the red car. The hanger and pump are here now to wait for the level sending unit everything else is here then it's time to swap stuff around. Mainly just the rear for now so I can get the skeleton of the other car out and make it disappear. To make room for the new one to get in and receive its new legs.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on July 01, 2019, 07:28:08 PM
:like:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 01, 2019, 09:33:42 PM
This is it for today. I'm going to try and wait til the other car is mobile to pull the k member out. I use try fairly loosely... I need to load it up in the truck and take it to the car wash and blow all the crap off of it and my CHE arms as well. I may take a crack at the front end tomorrow. We shall see. Its almost time to put it back together.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 02, 2019, 02:58:40 PM
Got the rear all ready to go into the red car now. I went with the Powerstop z26 kit all new pieces drilled slotted rotors carbon ceramic pads front and rear. MM braided stainless soft lines and a stainless prebent kit also. Easy peasy. Now we wait some more.

Also Heath and Andrews shock brackets
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: bodyman on July 02, 2019, 11:19:16 PM
Looking good. Moving right along.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Tbird232ci on July 03, 2019, 04:36:36 AM
You aren't messing around.

It's amazing how fast you can hammer out some work once you've done it a few times.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 03, 2019, 03:36:43 PM
Oh yeah. When you have things planned out pretty well they go smooth. I had virtually everything replaced under the calico car just needed a few more pieces the front end I'm not happy about the repairs I did and in the almost 10 year build and a move I misplaced half the things I had for it that wasn't bolted down secure lol the fresh start is helping me with that. And I'm not going full retard this time. Ive missed this turd. And just want to get it out there. I'm basically the only fox bird guy in town. Theres tons of mustangs and camaros.

But with all the planning in the world you can't plan for the unpredictability of life the Silverado I pulled the car home with last week, I drove over 3 hours 1 way to get the car hauled it home blew my budget on the car (lol) and was going to borrow some wheel dollies from a buddy went to back into his driveway gave it a little gas to get over the curb and BANG....whineeee. Blew reverse. And all I can do is laugh. This turd has 260k on it so it was kind of on borrowed time. Now I get to do a tranny swap on a shitverado
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
You've made some progress. Nice.

Red car gonna be SEFI when it's done?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 04, 2019, 02:00:56 PM
Kind of...
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 04, 2019, 02:27:07 PM
Close ;)
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 04, 2019, 03:25:09 PM
It'll work with everything I'm planning on doing. 250 to 1200hp compatible with a single stage wet system and up to 25psi of boost self tuning and very adaptive.

Edit: I dont intend to make 1200 horse or shoehorn 25 psi down its throat or spray it like it was on fire. I just want the ability to do so if I wish to. The fact that it will work with the factory fuel system 225lph pump and a couple feet of -6an line internally regulated I should be good up to 400 horse for now then 5.8 swap it and shoot for 600 with maybe a 150 shot and a procharger waaaaaay down the road. The 5.slow in the car will tide me over til I get the calicos engine up to snuff then swap it all over this winter and be ready to play next summer. Aluminum headed 302 t5 fitech and possibly a 100 shot (respectively)
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: 88BlueBird on July 05, 2019, 05:46:24 PM
Nice find Clayton, looks like a fun project.  :like:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 05, 2019, 10:28:06 PM
Thankya! Progress is going to slow down a little bit due to the holiday and family get togethers and going back to work Monday that and I have to redirect some of the car fund into a truck payment. Didn't feel like searching for a good 4l60e in a boneyard or putting a reman one in my white truck.. Just flat out didnt want to do it all the way around. So I picked up a slightly newer one relatively cheap to get me around for a while.

The fuel level sender came in so now the tank is almost ready to go back in I might get to it Sunday if all goes to plan it should start hopefully.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 06, 2019, 02:00:27 PM
Tank is in and she runs! Barely but its progress. I blew a heater hose back by the firewall, but what do ya expect out of a sitting car. Nothing spectacular can't take your foot off the throttle but I'm sure a tune up will take care of that
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 07, 2019, 03:29:13 PM
Get it running ok and do all the suspension and brakes, then worry about the engine mods. But you're making pretty quick progress as it is.

Several Mustang guys I've spoken to like the FI Tech system. There's enough info out there that you shouldn't have major problems installing or troubleshooting it.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 07, 2019, 05:15:41 PM
Get it running ok and do all the suspension and brakes, then worry about the engine mods. But you're making pretty quick progress as it is.

Thats the plan. Hoping to do the motor and tranny swap in the fall or over the winter.

I have to order a couple more things suspension wise then it should be done underneath from a dollar bill standpoint. I need to order new control arms for the front cause in my stupidity 7 years ago I ordered forward offset control arms.. I need reverse offset to put the wheel back in the factory location. I thought it looked wierd being that far forward. Luckily the GMS k member is basically a rip off MM k member. So MM parts work with it. I'll order those and the pub then the big money is spent under the car aside from a roll of brake line.

The car is pretty much a full MM suspension car aside from the k member (again ripped from a MM design) and the CHE arms in the rear and springs.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: mcb82gt on July 08, 2019, 10:39:24 AM
Great progress, and quickly done!

Nice Jimmy too, how many miles on it?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 08, 2019, 11:49:00 AM
Thankya

It would be going a lot faster if I would get all my parts when they say theyre going to be here lol. On a serious note I have been planning this out for almost 7 years I was just waiting for all the dominoes to fall and planets to align.

As for the truck, 191k   :toothless:  but the price was right I wanted a 14+ crew cab but that wasn't in the cards at the moment. This turd will get me by for a while
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 10, 2019, 04:38:47 PM
Its hotter than blue blazes out here today but I did do something to the old girl. I put a new IAC on it and now she idles all on her own. I'm hoping to have her in the shade this weekend so I can actually do something picture worthy to it.

She runs though so there's that.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on July 11, 2019, 08:01:10 PM
Progress is a worthwhile commodity. ;)
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 11, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
Should put that steering wheel on. Make it easier to maneuver.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 12, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
Meh. I'll get around to it. I gotta drop the column soon anyway to swap the pedals in and the sn brake booster too. I pulled the wheel only because 1 I have a perfectly nice TC wheel that will take its place. And 2 the base wheel was jelly and gummy and not pleasant
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 12, 2019, 04:30:58 PM
Meh. I'll get around to it. I gotta drop the column soon anyway to swap the pedals in and the sn brake booster too. I pulled the wheel only because 1 I have a perfectly nice TC wheel that will take its place. And 2 the base wheel was jelly and gummy and not pleasant

Actually the base wheel didn't have the leather wrap. That was an option (standard on LX cars). I still don't know why Ford filled the wheel under the leather with that glue/goop.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 12, 2019, 07:08:05 PM
 :dunno:  I just know it was goopy and had to go. Just been to preoccupied with getting her running to worry about little things. I set the wheel on there to move it around the yard a little but thats it seeing as its all gotta come back out lol. Same reason all the plastic on the column is still off. That and theres a spider web/nest under the clear cover on the cluster
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 14, 2019, 05:39:42 PM
Here's today's progress. To my complete and utter absolute total surprise not one thing under this car gave me any guff. The rear shoes still looked new, the springs were still red and yellow. All the control arm bolts came out without a fuss. I swear its like it was just as easy to tear this one apart as it was my calico car. There is some slight surface rust underneath by the mufflers considering the condition of the mufflers I'm not at all surprised :toothless: . I cant wait to tackle the front half now because the neutral shuffle is going to get old.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 14, 2019, 05:40:46 PM
 :roxor:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 14, 2019, 11:02:40 PM
Are the mufflers the rustiest thing under the car?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 15, 2019, 05:45:00 AM
Pretty much
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Chuck W on July 15, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
Coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 16, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
Thankya!

I ordered tc ebrake cables, does anyone have a clear picture of how they come together?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Tbird232ci on July 20, 2019, 04:17:33 AM
Did you ever get the pictures you needed?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 20, 2019, 03:21:52 PM
For the most part. Aside from where the cable attach to the chassis on the driverside
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 21, 2019, 01:32:08 PM
The end of one story and the beginning of the next. Hence starting fresh. The shell will be gone tomorrow.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 22, 2019, 07:33:00 PM
Calico left today. The guy who picked it up knew me and the car from high school 12+ years ago just kind of funny I made my mark with that car and alot of people knew me and associated me with tbirds.

Side note the redhead got a nose job and cataract surgery. I wasnt the biggest fan of the lx nose and I have 2 decent tc noses with lights figured why not. And I found the rustiest part of the car. The lower core support is pretty fugly but still surprisingly solid.

That's the progress for today
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 22, 2019, 11:42:08 PM
That rust isn't bad at all. Grind it down and paint over it with Eastwood Rust Encapsulator or POR and you'll be good to go.

I'm guessing front suspension is next? Looks good with front lights.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 23, 2019, 05:43:49 AM
You are correct, front suspension is next. I'm going to start that this weekend at least the removal of the factory stuff to make room for all the new goodies. I was going to start that project but decided to do something a little easier the lack of headlight lenses and the front bumper being ate up pretty good was driving me crazy. Granted the front cover thats on there now the paint is cracked and chipped but at least the plastic isnt eroded. And it doesn't have a front plate bracket
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 24, 2019, 11:50:39 AM
Ordered the correct front control arms today. I hope to have it somewhat together this weekend with the incorrect control arms just to have it together. And so I can start running brake line and all that assorted nonsense. I have to dig through my box tbird interior stuff and find the firm ride, premium, antenna switch panel for my line lock switch then i should be ready to do the pedal swap and all the other tedious stuff.

Hopefully have it at an alignment shop soon so I can drive this under powered monster

EDIT: the front control arms are on backorder until the 26th of next month! Oh Lord that sucks
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on July 24, 2019, 02:44:26 PM
I've got some stock FCA's if that's what you need (but I bet you want soemthing aftermarket..) ;)
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 24, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
Lol I wish it was that easy but nooooope. Can't fit factory arms on my Maxitelli kmember :rollin:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 24, 2019, 05:15:27 PM
Well on the bright side you've got a month to slowly swap K-members   :biggrin: .
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 24, 2019, 06:01:04 PM
True statement
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 26, 2019, 07:44:31 PM
More and more this car amazes me with how easy its coming apart.

Kmember is out in under 3 hours. I love my 20v dewalt 1/2" impact.

 All thats left to remove for this chapter of the build is the motor mounts which also, very surprisingly, are both intact and the sway bar to make room for my TC bar.

 A little coat of good primer and back together she goes with all my goodies.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 27, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
And shes in! Now I cant do anything else under the front end until the control arms show up except put the sway bar . My next project is the booster/ pedal swap along with other various interior pieces like the stereo stuff and fixing the window clips putting the trunk back together with the fuel pump access panel

Thats all for another day though
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 28, 2019, 09:45:20 PM
Did you add a spacer between the K-member and the frame rails?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 29, 2019, 05:43:23 AM
Yeah I put 1/2" spacers in.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 29, 2019, 02:21:31 PM
Yeah I put 1/2" spacers in.

I can't remember but is the spacer needed for the Maximum Motorsports K-member to fit the Thunderbird/Cougar chassis?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 29, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
On a thunderbird/ cougar yes. If you look at the lower mount the way the kmember is shaped right there there would be some major interference. I should have went with a 5/8 spacer but 1/8 isnt going to hurt anything seeing as its measured in and square within 1/16"  and the rear mounts need opened up quite a bit to fit correctly
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 30, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
On a thunderbird/ cougar yes. If you look at the lower mount the way the kmember is shaped right there there would be some major interference. I should have went with a 5/8 spacer but 1/8 isnt going to hurt anything seeing as its measured in and square within 1/16"  and the rear mounts need opened up quite a bit to fit correctly

I figured there would be interference without the spacer, looking at the picture. Just a hunk of steel was used for the spacer I assume?

A Maximum Motorsport K-member, front control arms, and coil overs are on my wish list. Cost is a bit high though, as I'd probably redo the brakes as well. It's not cheap but worth it from a handling perspective.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 30, 2019, 07:28:35 PM
The spacers are aluminum actually. The weight savings between the two k members is crazy. And for being a pretty hefty piece anyway compared to upr and team z the complete kit control arms, k member, coil overs and all the hardware weighed 85lbs in the boxes they shipped in. The factory k member and control arms is well over 120 I never weighed this one or the last cars stock kmember but I struggled a little bit getting it from the floor to the truck and I'm not small at 6' 250lbs. Where I can curl the granatelli piece with the control arms and steering rack still attached..

And for what its worth, if you can find a deal on a granatelli kmember nab it up. It's literally the same design as the MM piece. Just coated different colors. I bought my kit back in 2011 for under 700 with coilovers and a arms.

I ordered a panhard bar the first week in July it was on back order it should be on its way this coming week that will be a big deciding factor on my exhaust cause the stinger pipes barely fit with 275/40s on the back. I am not above running dumps but I'd like to keep the tail pipes haha but after the PHB shows up and my fca's show up I should be done with the suspension build portion. Dial in the ride height do a tune up and drive this turd for a while to see how she does, get it figured out then start adding power to it this fall (as funds allow)
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on July 30, 2019, 08:49:59 PM
Post up pictures of the Maximum Motorsports panhard bar installation. I'd like to add one to my car but I'm worried it won't fit around the 2.5" Dynomax tail pipes. There's no way I'm running dumps to make it fit. That wouldn't fit with the character of the car at all.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 31, 2019, 06:09:07 AM
We'll see if I can pull that off. I'm horrible of taking in process pics. More worried about getting it done lol
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Mikey97D on July 31, 2019, 09:33:21 AM
Looking forward to any pictures of the panhard bar installed.  I don't think the Stinger tailpipe (driver side only / single) on my car will clear it but have been interested in one.

Thank you for the tip on the Granatelli stuff.  Did you use the SN95 k-member and control arms or the Fox?  Guessing the SN95 for '87-88 cars?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on July 31, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Its not the drivers side I'm worried about. The passenger side is a tight fit around the tank now with the meats on the rear. Granted they are very loose still because of anticipation of the PHB.

I looked up a GMS kmember that you could order right now and the newer ones look like the UPR design. So scratch that idea. If you find an older used piece you should be gold. I did order mine 8 years ago after all. And GMS was under fire for a long while over copy cat designs. Supposed buying the MM kmember sending it to India to have it duplicated ECT ECT I don't know the specifics don't care either. I just know I bought it for 1/2 the cost for LKQ

I used the fox kmember and fox length control arms with 98+ spindles.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 01, 2019, 09:15:18 AM
Today after work I shall be unsupervised for a little amount of time. So in that time I'm going to try to swap the pedals and booster and all that related stuff up under the dash to get it out of the way.

My front a arms should be here today as well and then its pretty much all downhill from there
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 01, 2019, 07:41:56 PM
I got the pedals hung and the booster in and most of the interior put back together. Saturday I tackle the rest of the nose. I should get it all back together no problem
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 02, 2019, 12:01:39 PM
I know for a fact that the MM panhard bard will clear 2.5" factory path tailpipes (Dynomax and Flowmaster are known to work well) with 275's on a Fox Mustang.  My Coupe has MM torque arm, panhard bar, Griggs coilovers, and 275/40/17 Nitto 555R's in the rear and the Dynomax 2.5" tailpipes clear.  I saw one 3" setup but the guy custom built it with mandrel bends and tig weled everything so it was like looking at artwork.

Being this is all on a Mustang there may be some nuances with a Bird/Cat but my money is on it fitting with very little work.  My guess is that the path of the tailpipes will be identical to the Mustang.  The 3" tailpipes on my Bird are Flowmaster mandrel bent units for a Mustang LX that were lengthened only in the part that hangs down and runs to the back of the car past the fuel tank.  I believe we lengthened them around 8" or so.

Anyhow, keep up the good work and I wish my projects moved like yours.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 02, 2019, 01:47:22 PM
I'm optimistic about it. It should fit no problem and will be on the car regardless of the exhaust fitment. I'm not paying 400 for a paperweight the exhaust is not a big deal to me right now that's all subject to change anyway the suspension parts however, are not. I mean my mac mufflers are literally slid right over the factory split 1 into 2 pipe right now cause this winter when I swap the motor, the exhaust gets updated as well. But for now it works no farther than its went so far. The truth will come out when I have the PHB in my posession

Y'all hang tight until then. I also have to modify my shock adapter to accommodate the driver side PHB axle mount too
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 03, 2019, 03:10:19 PM
The front end is almost done aside from brake lines which I'm currently taking a break from. The rest will be done today and hopefully be bled too. Then the only thing that might need being done depending on how frisky I get is the ebrake cables.

I'm hoping to have it out of the garage tonight for a bit but we'll see
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 03, 2019, 07:16:12 PM
Brake pedal is a little squishy still but I figure I'll have to rebleed the system again soon but i was getting close calling it quits amd had a goal set to see it outside today. 10 hours of play time today gets alot done lol slightly supervised she came out to make sure I wasn't dead and helped bleed the brakes but shes on all fours now. Only thing left is to hook the ebrakes up and have it aligned
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 04, 2019, 08:03:57 PM
Got the line lock wired and tested today.  :toothless:. Brakes still have a little air in the lines. Also got my pioneer radio put in and the rest of the dash put back together also put the cover panel in over the fuel pump and put the trunk back together.

Now I'm fighting these pesky window clips so I can roll my window up. Calling the local specialty alignment shop tomorrow to get a quote on how bad theyre going to rail me to reign this faux pony in.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 05, 2019, 04:42:18 PM
Looking good. Hopefully it doesn't cost too much to align. Any idea how far off it is?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 05, 2019, 06:21:23 PM
Looking good. Hopefully it doesn't cost too much to align. Any idea how far off it is?

Its gonna cost about $75 as long as there are no hang ups. Not too horrible but I don't think think they fully heard me when I said a heavily modified 88 thunderbird but we shall see.

As far as how far off it it I honestly couldn't tell ya. I measured the toe and tried to get it as even as I could the rest is on them lol.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 06, 2019, 04:42:25 PM
Looking good. Hopefully it doesn't cost too much to align. Any idea how far off it is?

Its gonna cost about $75 as long as there are no hang ups. Not too horrible but I don't think think they fully heard me when I said a heavily modified 88 thunderbird but we shall see.

As far as how far off it it I honestly couldn't tell ya. I measured the toe and tried to get it as even as I could the rest is on them lol.

Alignments start at $75 around here for a stock car. If you get it done for $75 you are getting a deal.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 06, 2019, 08:19:30 PM
Well the fella I spoke to told me they charge 75 initially like 75/HR after so we shall see.. I'm sure its going to take longer than an hour. This shop is the local go-to for muscle cars and performance oriented cars they've been in business over 30 years. Stemen align and brake here in Fort Wayne. Theyre about the only shop I would trust to do the work around here
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 07, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
I was waiting for it and I knew it was coming... The two steps back in the process lol. I did a couple things to the old girl today, one of which was starting it and letting it run for a little bit. Well she started ticking I checked the gauges... Oil pressure is at 0. I'm going to change the oil tomorrow with some cheapo oil to see if that helps in any way.

I suspect the oil pump locked up. If it did. No big deal. I have 2 avenues to go down. Swap the pump... Swap the motor. I really dont want to swap the motor just yet. But if that's what I have to do that's what I'm going to do.

I was really hoping to update the calico motor before swapping it over and driving it for a while with the lo-po motor.

We shall see.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Haystack on August 07, 2019, 06:36:30 PM
I was waiting for it and I knew it was coming... The two steps back in the process lol. I did a couple things to the old girl today, one of which was starting it and letting it run for a little bit. Well she started ticking I checked the gauges... Oil pressure is at 0. I'm going to change the oil tomorrow with some cheapo oil to see if that helps in any way.

I suspect the oil pump locked up. If it did. No big deal. I have 2 avenues to go down. Swap the pump... Swap the motor. I really dont want to swap the motor just yet. But if that's what I have to do that's what I'm going to do.

I was really hoping to update the calico motor before swapping it over and driving it for a while with the lo-po motor.

We shall see.

The oil pump is run by a gear on the dizzy. If the oil pump locked up, it would destroy the shaft running to the oil pump and id be surprised if it ran. Should take out the dizzy and gear too.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 08, 2019, 05:44:38 AM
That's the worst case scenario. Ive seen the oil drive shafts twisted so bad that it looked like an easy out. Even if the pump went it didnt hurt the motor to bad.

I tried to get the distributor out to have a look last night but its stuck pretty good. So I soaked it in pb blaster and left it alone the rest of the night. We'll see what its all about when I get home tonight
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 08, 2019, 07:17:49 AM
You’ve done a lot in a relatively short time. Keep up the good work. The bird is coming along nicely
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Mikey97D on August 08, 2019, 09:03:51 AM
I had a '79 Tbird where they used a nylon coated timing chain that at about 100k had shreaded enough nylon the clog the oil pump.  Not sure if they continued that through the 80's.  If you find a plastic type debris in there you might want to change the timing chain too.

Good luck with the oil pressure.  To get the pan off these things it is almost easier to pull the motor.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 08, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
Like I said. Gonna change the oil today and see what that gets me. If I see some stuff I don't like I'll pull the pan and investigate further.

As for the pulling of the pan. Theres quite a bit more clearance with the tube kmember. All I'll have to do is wrap a strap around the balancer and pick it up with the hoist enough to clear the front bump. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 08, 2019, 01:15:12 PM
Like I said. Gonna change the oil today and see what that gets me. If I see some stuff I don't like I'll pull the pan and investigate further.

As for the pulling of the pan. Theres quite a bit more clearance with the tube kmember. All I'll have to do is wrap a strap around the balancer and pick it up with the hoist enough to clear the front bump. Easy peasy.

Isn't that gonna break the snout off the crank?  :toothless:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 08, 2019, 01:46:58 PM
Then plan b with mo powa
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 08, 2019, 07:25:23 PM
Well crisis averted. For now. Drained the oil and it came out relatively clean all things considered. Spun the oil filter off and was expecting to get the usual oil bath and nothing until I turned it over. Apparently the oil filter was clogged.  :shoothead:  I didn't even think about that didn't even register in my mind. All is good in the world now.

Now to put the inside back together again. Then off to the alignment shop
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: mcb82gt on August 09, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
Plugged filter, Ive never seen that before!  Damn.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 09, 2019, 09:00:26 PM
Today's update: I dropped the exhaust because the stinger tail pipes were rubbing on literally everything. The mufflers came off too because they were just hanging there anyway. Nothing is more irritating than a tailpipe rattle lol.

Rebled the brakes today. Pedal still squishy and the line lock still won't hold the car. So I'm going to get a new Master cylinder because I can't remember where it came from or what it came off of everything else is new so my logic is pointing that way.

I'm going to schedule my alignment Monday and hopefully have her back by the weekend.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on August 10, 2019, 02:50:20 AM
93 Cobra MC? You know...since you have 5 lug and shit...
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Haystack on August 10, 2019, 04:01:43 AM
Well crisis averted. For now. Drained the oil and it came out relatively clean all things considered. Spun the oil filter off and was expecting to get the usual oil bath and nothing until I turned it over. Apparently the oil filter was clogged.  :shoothead:  I didn't even think about that didn't even register in my mind. All is good in the world now.

Now to put the inside back together again. Then off to the alignment shop

Was it a fram?

I've seen them push cardboard mush out of engines that have sat for a while...
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 10, 2019, 09:28:45 AM
93 Cobra MC? You know...since you have 5 lug and shit...

I'm going to replace it with one from a 94gt 1 1/16" bore


Was it a fram?

I've seen them push cardboard mush out of engines that have sat for a while...

I couldnt tell what it was but it was but it wasn't a fram.

I'm just glad I'm not being rushed to do a heart transplant now. I want to build the other 302 slowly and make sure its right before putting it in with the rest of my go fast goodies. Thats colder weather work.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 10, 2019, 05:55:18 PM
What are your plans for the other 302? I believe you're planning on topping it off with Fast EFI but what H/C/I are you planning on using?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 10, 2019, 07:05:38 PM
I have a set of edelbrock performer heads and Harlan Sharp 1.7 roller rockers. As far as the cam goes it really depends on the piston that are in the motor. I'm not doing anything to the bottom end of this one. But the choices are a letter cam f or x or tfs 1-2 all of that comes down really to the ptv clearance that I can come up with. And the ford motorsports version of the victor jr single plane.

The 351 will get all the good stuff no expense spared. I just want to be able to save the money for that and do it right no rushing. 408 with an custom grind cam, the edelbrock heads or possibly something else I'm not entirely sure they'll flow enough for the big motor. And some sort of boost.

The plan is to get it figured out and then start treating it like a stripper... Throwing money at it hoping to get the ride of my life.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 11, 2019, 12:51:25 PM
Ordered my MC now we wait. But I managed to get the shop cleaned a little bit.  Moved the car out to get some sun. The only thing that is keeping me from getting an alignment is the brakes at the moment. But hopefully today or tomorrow I can get that squared away
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2019, 07:44:47 PM
I have a set of edelbrock performer heads and Harlan Sharp 1.7 roller rockers. As far as the cam goes it really depends on the piston that are in the motor. I'm not doing anything to the bottom end of this one. But the choices are a letter cam f or x or tfs 1-2 all of that comes down really to the ptv clearance that I can come up with. And the ford motorsports version of the victor jr single plane.

The 351 will get all the good stuff no expense spared. I just want to be able to save the money for that and do it right no rushing. 408 with an custom grind cam, the edelbrock heads or possibly something else I'm not entirely sure they'll flow enough for the big motor. And some sort of boost.

The plan is to get it figured out and then start treating it like a stripper... Throwing money at it hoping to get the ride of my life.

Those Edelbrock Performer heads are fine for a 302 but I'd get something better for the 351W when you build it. Probably like the Twisted Wedge 11R 205s. That 351W is going to need a lot more air, especially if it's punched out to 408.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 12, 2019, 01:47:10 PM
Ive got a bit of research ahead of me still and the big motor is a couple seasons away. I got to get the bottom end built first that will really dictate alot of my choices.  The 302 will do it for now though. Especially since I'm gonna run a t5. Thats another expense that is going to come on fast I have a feeling. The 8.8 will do for now but that t5... As long as I'm not too hard on it it will survive. But bet your bottom dollar its going to be the first thing to go. Then its tko time. I'm trying to build it up with parts that will carry over. I really dont like doing things twice so if I upgrade something it's going to be substantial.

But on the bright side I get the faux pony reigned in Thursday. I'm going to have it there Wednesday after work
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 12, 2019, 02:20:44 PM
Even the 302 could nuke that T5. That'll be the first thing to go.

Might as well start saving. Once that 408 goes in you'll find all of the weak links in the driveline and chassis.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 12, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
Well I'm hoping to eliminate all the weak spots chassis wise. Drivetrain will be revamped one piece at a time. Next project is sfcs seat braces and torque boxes
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 14, 2019, 04:07:49 PM
She's at the alignment shop
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Mikey97D on August 15, 2019, 08:12:12 AM
She's at the alignment shop
I really like the stance.  Looks good.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 15, 2019, 12:07:17 PM
She's at the alignment shop

Looks good. Any rubbing issues with it sitting that low?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 15, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
We're gonna find out. It's done. Waiting to get off work to go pick it up. Cost 115 to have it aligned. I cant wait to go get it
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 15, 2019, 04:38:37 PM
She's home. A rather uneventful ride. It has a little memory steer but its very responsive. Brakes are still a bit mushy but it stops and I'll dig into that a bit later. She rides like shes on rails just how I expected. I have to raise the front end a little bit the tires were kissing the fenders just a little on bumps BUT! I got to drive it today. More than a couple feet. I haven't drove a fox bird in well over 10 years.

I'm ecstatic
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Tbird232ci on August 16, 2019, 04:58:36 AM
How much camber are you running? A little bit of negative camber made a huge difference in my tire rub.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 17, 2019, 08:55:51 AM
Just factory spec. After driving it a bit the coils settled some more I definitely have to raise the front. Every little bump sounds like I'm about to tear a fender off. I got the wheels pretty much burried in the fenders right now. I'll do some tweaking as time goes on but about 1/2" is what I need
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 17, 2019, 12:19:42 PM
I raised it from 3 1/2 to 3 7/8 and it helped a whole bunch. And also made it to my local cars and coffee this morning.

Still have to sort some things out but overall I'm very happy with the way the suspension performs. It's just everything else that is lacking now. The old 5.slow moves it pretty good the aod is mushy and soft just like it would be for a bone stock car.

It holds turns very well and feels like it stays relatively flat in the turns. That will be even better when I put the sway bar in the rear along with the PHB.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Tbird232ci on August 18, 2019, 02:42:11 AM
Going more aggressive with the alignment will make a significant difference in handling. I wanted more aggressive, but the shop I used was apprehensive of using what I wanted. I wanted 1-1.5 degrees negative camber and 4.5 degrees positive caster. I ended up with .9 negative camber and 1.5 positive caster. It still works very well.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 18, 2019, 10:01:00 AM
I'm sure I'll end up tweaking it a bit but I'm still getting a feel for it. Like I said its been 10 year since I drove one I don't even remember how they drove but I can tell you first hand it is tight and snappy. I have the slow ratio rack and its probably a good thing. There's no mush in the steering especially with the MM steering shaft, heim joints on the bumpsteer kit and derlin rack bushings. I daily a truck every day so theres a slight learning curve here every other car I've personally had has been run through the mill and been clapped out before I even got it.

The only comparison I can even manage right now is my girl has a 08 Saturn Aura XR the sport edition with 80k on it and it has been meticulously maintained. First time I drove that thing it felt like a slot car. Well the bird feels like it's a slot car that you had to ask the clerk for the key to unlock the case on :toothless:
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 21, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Today after work I'm going to try and get to the bottom of why my brakes a still mushy I'm going to reroute some lines and possibly bypass my prop valve for the front to take an element out of the equation. Leave the rears on the adjustable

Then the next thing that hinders me from really driving it is the F#@%*.: Windows. Both are stuck down at the moment which wouldn't bother me since it sits inside mostly but mother nature would notice me driving it on a beautiful sunny day with 0% chance of rain and 100% just hammer it down on me.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 21, 2019, 08:52:12 PM
Bypassed the prop valve and capped the front ports on it T'd off the line lock and now I have front brakes and the line lock holds the car still. The rear brakes need bled some more now due to my proportioning valve bleeding pressure between the front and rear ports, now I have a really expensive adjustable rear bias block lol.

Also swapped my door glass from the calico car into this one to speed up the process a little bit and save me a little headache for now on those window clips. Gives me more time to mod the clips and all that jazz and possibly tint the windows while they're out
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Tbird232ci on August 22, 2019, 12:15:33 PM
I have to dig through my bookmarks and screen shots, but I have a link for aluminum window clips. I'll have to dig them up. I wanted them for my car, but I glued the glass in, and then found the link.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 22, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
I was thinking of trying my hand at making a 1 piece window clip with more surface area to attach to the glass. Like 1.5" deep and however long between the two studs drilling it full of holes and epoxying the tar out of it.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Haystack on August 22, 2019, 11:24:47 PM
Grease everything up good. Buy some cheap terry cloth and something to hose everything off with. Wd40, alcohol, just about anything will work. Once eberything is clean, I like white lithium grease. Its expensive, but it still works okay when its dirty and is really easy to get anywhere.

Once that's done, get some silicone window stuff, hose down all the rubber seals and edges around the window. This will make a mess, but it will bring all the rubber back to life and make it softer and make it not stick to the glass.

Then finally, I really like black windshield adhesive. I clean up the window really well where the track lines up good.  I then lightly sandpaper the glass near the tracks then clean it up one more time. Do a few dry runs without any glue and make sure the window is in the proper place on the tracks. Then dump some of that black goo in there, roll the window all the way up and leave it for a day or two.

I've bought new clips when they are broken, I have drilled holes on them hopong to make stuff stick better, but its really not needed.

The cleaner and better greased everything is, the less the glue matters honestly. The reason I use the wind shield adhesive is because it is specifically designed to bond to glass and plastics, its sort of rubbery so it can take some side load if everything isn't perfect and it sticks like a mofo. We go from about -10°f to about 110°f every six months or so and it does really well. Ive never had to reglue it if I lubed everything up good first.  The only thing that sucks is thst it will not cure below freezing, you want it to be 60+° outside for it to cure fully.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: mcb82gt on August 23, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
I fought that situation for awhile too.  Its been so long I forget what I used.  I got plastic clips from the "HELP" section at the parts store, drilled holes in them, and sanded the window glass area.  Used some sort of auto glue epoxy stuff, its been holding for years now.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 23, 2019, 07:42:55 PM
My windows are fixed for now. I'm glad to be a parts hoarder.

Now my real dilemma with the next phase of the build. The engine I have is from a mustang and it ran good that's all I know about it. Well I'm starting to make decisions and moving funds around to start achieving my goals. Well I got to looking at it today and figured I would dig it out and start pulling it apart. Then I noticed the casting # on it. E6... Oh no here we go let the f*ckery begin. Pulled the carb intake and various other things along with one of the heads and yep. Flat tops. And an extra bit of fun comes with it too. Theres signs of foul play between the pistons and valves. So now is time for another unplanned decision. Take a chance and flycut these pistons, or put a cheap set of hypereutectics new rings and rod bearings to get me by
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Beau on August 23, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
I've got several sets of HO pistons, if you want to go that route.

Pay for the ride, you can have a set of 'em ;)

Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 23, 2019, 11:14:06 PM
Pm sent
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 23, 2019, 11:47:20 PM
Option 2: Trick Flow TW heads. Will work with flatops no problem. But more $$$$.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 24, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
I'm going to stick with the edelbrocks I got.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 24, 2019, 05:22:42 PM
New piston time then  :grinno: .
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 24, 2019, 05:36:36 PM
Yep. I'm gonna take Beau up on his offer. I'll swap the flat tops out for standard HO pistons possibly clearance the reliefs a little more at work then TFS 1, my edelbrock, then a victor jr intake and my fitech sitting on top. She should be pretty rowdy.

I got it tore down to the shortblock today to let me see what other fun I had in store for me. Aside from a little intimacy between the pistons and valves on a few cylinders nothing out of the ordinary. Except a new crank had been installed along the way. This engine had been gone through in the past. And by the arp head bolts and e7 heads I'm sure the abusive relationship between the valves and pistons happened in the past and the engine was updated because of that.

Throw Beaus pistons at it with new rings and rod bearings and start making the faux pony fast
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: mcb82gt on August 26, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
Any idea what cam was in it to cause the valve/piston contact?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 26, 2019, 02:23:51 PM
The only numbers on the cam were k21j and I cant find any info on it.

I got some stuff done today. I got rid of the smog stuff and put my 3g alt and bracket on. I got a boatload of stuff to do still but one day at a time now lol
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 29, 2019, 07:45:23 PM
Got the battery in the trunk today and found some more rust under the battery box.

Also knocked the t5 apart to check it out. And to my surprise all the gears were in very good shape syncros in really good shape and shift forks still had nylon on them almost perfect.  I needed to swap the Speedo gear anyways so figured I would go a little bit deeper. I need to shim the input a little bit it's got some endplay then glue it back together and put it on the shelf until time to put it in.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 30, 2019, 12:36:19 PM
Battery acid is a jerk.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 30, 2019, 02:05:50 PM
For a $600 Midwestern car. I'll deal with it.

PHB is on its way finally. So sometime next week I'll have that then the suspension mods will be coming to a close aside from sfcs seat braces and torque box stuff
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on August 31, 2019, 11:08:31 AM
I hit up pick a part this morning and scored a set of focus fans and they fit surprisingly well. They will be going in pretty soon also along with my radiator
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Mikey97D on September 03, 2019, 08:24:28 AM
What year Focus?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 03, 2019, 08:54:00 AM
03 04 somewhere around there. The pap here was littered with them.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 03, 2019, 02:45:50 PM
What are you planning on using to control them?

Any idea on the gap between the fan and water pump?

These would be easier to find than a Contour fan or 3.8 Taurus fan, since those cars are now few and far between at yards.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 03, 2019, 03:27:28 PM
I snagged a relay box from a 05 f150. I have no idea what it was for on the truck, but it houses 2 big relays 2 small relays and 3 or 4 mini fuses. A fuse for each fan and a relay for each fan. For right now im going to have the relays wired up to a switched ground. The fitech will control them through the ground side very temporarily just to get me through the rest of the season.

The fans themselves are only 3 1/2" deep from the floor to the top of the motors. And spaced well enough that the water pump is right between them with 3 or so inches to spare unlike my 16" single fan with the aluminum shroud which was like 5 1/2" deep and smack in the middle of the radiator and about a hair away from touching the water pump. I'll take more pictures as I go. I got some materials today to attach it to the radiator and scored a freebie tranny cooler.

My goal is to take this turd down the track once before it closes to get a rough baseline granted its just a stocker 5.0/aod with 4.10s but I'm sure all the weight savings and suspension parts will get it down the line and off the line fairly quick. I'm hoping it hooks nice and gets a relatively quick 60'. I'm hoping for high 14's maybe
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 04, 2019, 08:37:03 PM
I got the radiator and fans in just need to hook the fans up and add a temporary trans cooler.

I got the t5 put back together as well
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 06, 2019, 06:13:17 PM
I'll just leave this here.


Dont judge me by the bench...
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 07, 2019, 12:06:01 AM
I'll just leave this here.


Dont judge me by the bench...

Oooh. Pics when it's installed. Especially how much clearance is around tailpipes and the gas tank.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 07, 2019, 05:24:55 PM
Well the main frame is in. I gotta run it around the block and get the suspension settled then I can put the actual bar in. It would be pretty tight around the passenger side tank mount. No tail pipes for this guy
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 07, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Couple more
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 07, 2019, 08:06:46 PM
And now its done
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 07, 2019, 10:07:56 PM
Looks great! How much of a handling improvement do you feel on the street?

I'm not sure the bar would clear the 2.5" tailpipes I'm running, especially on the passenger side. It would be extremely tight if it fit at all.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 07, 2019, 10:27:55 PM
I'll have to get back with you on that one, I didn't put a ton of drive time on it. I put a couple miles on it but. Not enough to really open it up. Just enough to see that is doesn't bind any.

As for tail pipes, thats a big hell no. Driver side will fit no problem. Passenger side will require some major magic with a mandrel bender. It could go up over the axle and immediately make a 90* bend the almost immediately make another then out the back. That's just to much for me. And with the tires I have in the rear its stupid close anyway. Entirely not worth it. I may later down the road when I get tired of my mac mufflers or when I build the next motor and step up the exhaust to 3" go the way of side exit in front of the rear tire but dumps work for now

Edit: I also still have to put the sway bar on. Then the suspension will be completely done. Aside from some camber tweaks. Cause the guy that did my alignment put smaller bolts in the upper strut mount holes to get more camber put of it before realizing I had cc plates. So the inside of the front right tire is rubbing the coilovers something fierce after the suspension settled more
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Aerocoupe on September 08, 2019, 11:57:58 PM
I strongly suggest you get where the panhard bar is attached to the frame welded. If you get stupid with it they will start to wobble the holes out. Mine is welded for that reason.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 15, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
No real progress to speak of, I got to find a better ground spot for my battery and figure out why the 3g alt isn't charging. I wired it the same way I did on the old car. I havent taken the alt in to be tested yet either. Its been a pretty busy week with barely any time to work on the car. I'm prepping for the October 5th track day at Muncie I should have everything sorted out by then.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on September 27, 2019, 04:11:46 PM
Well I found out why the 3g wasn't charging. Apparently it just gave up. It was like 13 years old so no big deal. Got the new one in and the rear ride height bumped up a little now so the quarter lips wont eat the tires so bad.  I'll need to roll them soon especially if I run my slicks.
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 29, 2019, 09:26:11 PM
Are the slicks mounted on Town Car wheels?
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on October 01, 2019, 02:51:56 PM
Are the slicks mounted on Town Car wheels?

Grand marquis
Title: Re: Starting fresh
Post by: Clayton on October 17, 2019, 04:32:02 PM
I haven't updated here in a while but most of y'all are over on Facebook anyway. I didn't get down to the track like I wanted to but theres always next year. I did however start focusing on the motor a little more since the suspension is pretty well done and it drives awesome. It stays very firmly planted to the ground and is very responsive theres no walk in the rear. It's very fun to drive as long as youre not in a hurry to go anywhere.

Anyway over to the 302 and my dilemma with it being an e6 HO with flat tops and not wanting to spend a fortune on this motor. But still have it run great for a possible future project car after the 351 is built. I already had edelbrock heads and 1.6 roller rockers. I was hoping to get away with swapping heads throwing a better cam in it (so I would know what was actually in it) and better intake with my fitech kit on top thinking I had a 87+ 5.0. Well so much for that.

I ordered some KB115's in a standard bore that should give me enough room for my 1.90/1.60 valves and the valve springs are rated for .575 lift which will work perfectly for a trickflow stage 2 cam. It will have new rings and rod bearings along with arp rod bolts and a Ford racing version of the victor jr intake because it's almost the exact same design almost $100 cheaper.

Thats it for now!