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General => Lounge => Automotive News & Fuel/Energy debate/discussion => Topic started by: ZondaC12 on January 24, 2011, 10:46:01 PM

Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: ZondaC12 on January 24, 2011, 10:46:01 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-brave-new-world-of-fossil-fuels-on-demand/article1871149/

Fun-fact-calculation-someone-else-did!!! ----> 14,000 square miles of land needed to meet 7 billion barrels a year (U.S. usage)

The state of New Jersey is 9,000 square miles.


Hell. Yes.
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: Coldcougar on January 24, 2011, 11:17:32 PM
My name is David and I approve this message!!

another forum Im a part of has a spot next to the name where you list your car. mine says "My Ride:burns what your hybrid saves"
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: 88turbo on January 24, 2011, 11:33:52 PM
its about damn time!!!!
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: dragon574444 on January 25, 2011, 11:24:44 AM
Wow! Who knows how this is gonna play out, the big oil companies aren't gonna like this. That said, new companies are gonna jump on this. They could undercut the foreign oil companies in a major way, and still make profit like no one's business! They just gotta buy a chunk of land out in the middle of nowhere and let these guys do their thing. A dollar per gallon? YES PLEASE.
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: 88turbo on January 25, 2011, 11:35:24 AM
new mexico has lots of open land!!  lol
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: sarjxxx on January 25, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
I dare say they're getting into dangerous territory here though. If their current undertaking proves a success, the oil companies are going to lose a lot of money. Not right away, but give it about 10-15 years and they'll be all but obsolete. I'm sure they realize this. That means they've got two options. Either buy into this technology now, or kill it before it becomes big. And so far they seem to have chosen option number 2 with pretty much every new gas saving technology before it. I've heard stories of small groups coming up with alternatives like this receiving serious (legal) threats from oil companies. Anyone here remember water electrolysis/hydrogen assist? What about the PICC? I'm just saying. I really hope something comes from this though. I don't think even with all the new electric cars and blah blah blah, that hot rods were ever really going to disappear. And this would be awesome cause cars and trucks will still be using gas 50 years from now either way.
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: Thunder Chicken on January 25, 2011, 06:05:23 PM
Allow me to be the cynic by stating that I'll believe it when I see it. If this is even close to true you'll see big oil kill the technology not by buying up patents but by making oil so cheap the new technology becomes non-viable. Just like they always do and have always done. If oil had been at ~$90/barrel for the past 20 years we likely wouldn't have been using it presently...
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: Scott D on January 25, 2011, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;350780
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-brave-new-world-of-fossil-fuels-on-demand/article1871149/

Fun-fact-calculation-someone-else-did!!! ----> 14,000 square miles of land needed to meet 7 billion barrels a year (U.S. usage)

The state of New Jersey is 9,000 square miles.


Hell. Yes.

But if you use New Jersey, where will all the folks from NYC park?

If you tell a New Yorker there's light at the end of the tunnel, they get more depressed. After all, it's New Jersey.

I'm going to have to stick with Carm on this one ..
Title: Long live hydrocarbon fuels....long live hot rods..long live old school fun
Post by: ZondaC12 on January 25, 2011, 09:40:36 PM
Personally I don't give a rat's ass what fuel costs...relatively speaking of course, like any overarching statement like that (if you don't wanna sound like a bumbling idiot, THOUGH I am LOL). I'm just glad to know that if the day comes that we truly dry the earth's supply of oil right up, this will provide it by the same process the "real stuff" came into being in the first place, just much faster. And sure biofuels will be around, but it would better preserve the originality of cars like my '38 Buick, other antique cars even older than that thing, namely the rare high dollar extreme luxury marques that can never be replaced. I'd hate to have to convert it to run on pure alcohol. It wouldn't sit right with me at all.

But back to my very first statement, whatever business does with technology is what it is. The market will shove them in the direction they can best profit and unfortunately due to trading oil is volatile. It sucks but if I have to work harder/more to pay to play with my toys, so be it. If I have to play less frequently, so be it! That will make the fewer cruises that more special. At the same time, I'm sick of hearing these crystal ball claims of $4 or $8 or $300 a gallon by spring/summer/Memorial Day/the next time Hollow-wood recycles a movie AGAIN because they're out of ideas AGAIN. A couple years ago people said "oh man it might be $10 a gallon soon". And then I paid $1.50 a gallon for a month straight or something the winter of my junior year of college I think. Winter of 2008-2009? Maybe it was last winter. People, stop trying to predict the damn future! :rollin:

Regardless, if it gets killed, the guy gets bought out/captured/imprisoned like all of the old wives' tales, BFD. I'm glad someone has FOUND the way to do it, and if it's needed someday, they will be let out of their jail cell and will show us how to roll our own. :)