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Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: V8Demon on September 14, 2016, 06:11:43 AM
Anyone know if this is the same for all foxbody cars?
Mine's stretching out pretty good.  Rigged it with a couple of zip ties to make it tight about 10 years ago.  It's gotten worse and I'd rather change it out than add another 2 zip ties at this point.  It still will give full range motion on the throttle body, but who knows for how long....
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 14, 2016, 08:16:59 AM
Fox Cougars and T-Birds have the same 5.0 setup, gas pedal, and firewall as a Fox Mustang...it *should* be the same throttle cable.
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: Aerocoupe on September 15, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
DO NOT get the aftermarket ones.  The manufacturer is Pioneer and thought it functions correctly it will only open the TB about 75% due to a flaw in the design.  Late Model Restoration (5.0 Resto) has them on their site but does not stock them anymore for this reason.  I ordered one from another vendor and sure enough it only opened the TB on my Coupe 75%.  I looked at modifying it but it was just about damn near impossible.  Finding and OEM used cable that is in good or better shape is getting about impossible and if you can locate one people know it and want a mint.  If you have access to a salvage yard I would try a couple to see if you can get lucky.

One solution that most of the 86-93 Fox Mustang guys are doing is using the Lokor cable (P/N TC-1000HT).  Some make it work with the stock throttle cable bracket and other buy Lokar's bracket (P/N TCB-40EFI).  This is from a tech at Lokar:

[COLOR="#0000FF"]The TC-1000HT will fit the 1986 - 1993 EFI's.  This cable will snap onto the ball you have now. The u-shaped clevis with the roll pin will actually remove from the cable. Replace it with the stock plastic retainer from your original cable.[/COLOR]

Hope that helps.
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: V8Demon on September 15, 2016, 07:37:20 PM
Good to know.  Anyone know the stick part # for the 87-up?
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: Aerocoupe on September 16, 2016, 12:23:27 PM
Do you mean the part number for the throttle cable for a manual shift 87-up 5.0 Mustang?
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: V8Demon on September 16, 2016, 08:11:01 PM
Auto....
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: V8Demon on September 18, 2016, 02:08:11 AM
Found the info I was looking for: 

http://forums.tccoa.com/8-engine-5-0l-5-8l/140234-will-mustang-accelerator-cable-fit-1988-tbird.html#post1440510

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The following vehicles use the same Throttle Accelerator cable:

1986-1993 5.0 Mustang
1986-1988 5.0 Thunderbird/Cougar
1986-1992 Lincoln Mark VII


Ford part number: E6SZ-9A758-A


Of course it's an obsolete part.  My hunt begins....

The thread on TCCOA states that the Pioneer part # is incorrect (PIONEER CA9033).... Advance Auto carries it and lists it at 30.5" as does Rockauto and just about every Amazon/Ebay link I could find.  A local Advance has it in stock.  Might have to take a drive and look at it.
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 19, 2016, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;457154
DO NOT get the aftermarket ones.  The manufacturer is Pioneer and thought it functions correctly it will only open the TB about 75% due to a flaw in the design.  Late Model Restoration (5.0 Resto) has them on their site but does not stock them anymore for this reason.  I ordered one from another vendor and sure enough it only opened the TB on my Coupe 75%.  I looked at modifying it but it was just about damn near impossible.  Finding and OEM used cable that is in good or better shape is getting about impossible and if you can locate one people know it and want a mint.  If you have access to a salvage yard I would try a couple to see if you can get lucky.

One solution that most of the 86-93 Fox Mustang guys are doing is using the Lokor cable (P/N TC-1000HT).  Some make it work with the stock throttle cable bracket and other buy Lokar's bracket (P/N TCB-40EFI).  This is from a tech at Lokar:

[COLOR="#0000FF"]The TC-1000HT will fit the 1986 - 1993 EFI's.  This cable will snap onto the ball you have now. The u-shaped clevis with the roll pin will actually remove from the cable. Replace it with the stock plastic retainer from your original cable.[/COLOR]

Hope that helps.


Quote from: V8Demon;457163
Found the info I was looking for: 

http://forums.tccoa.com/8-engine-5-0l-5-8l/140234-will-mustang-accelerator-cable-fit-1988-tbird.html#post1440510




Of course it's an obsolete part.  My hunt begins....

The thread on TCCOA states that the Pioneer part # is incorrect (PIONEER CA9033).... Advance Auto carries it and lists it at 30.5" as does Rockauto and just about every Amazon/Ebay link I could find.  A local Advance has it in stock.  Might have to take a drive and look at it.


Fun little FYI:

About 8 years ago I bought a NOS throttle cable for a 89 Lincoln Mark VII (because it's the same as our cars). It had a date code on the bag for 2002. It was that damn Pioneer cable that won't open the throttle all the way. If you're hunting for a NOS piece make sure it's a really old NOS piece (i.e. made in the 90's or before).
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: Aerocoupe on September 20, 2016, 04:30:36 PM
That CA-9003 is the same part number I got a couple months back and it is the exact same length as the one on my Coupe but would only open the throttle body 75%.  You can buy it from OReillys as seen here:

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/PIO0/CA9033.oap?year=1993&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1134111&ck=Search_ca-9033_1134111_2075&keyword=ca-9033

And I dug up this old thread which has the correct part numbers which are identical to a Mustang auto/manual part numbers.

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?16386-Where-do-I-get-a-new-throttle-cable/page2
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 20, 2016, 05:33:59 PM
The one I bought was a Pioneer cable in a sealed "Ford Service Parts" bag. Go figure.
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: V8Demon on September 21, 2016, 01:00:20 AM
Sounds like they took over the contract for cables at the end of the run.

There's also another brand I see.  ACP or some such.  ** Found it ATP part # Y-1303.  Says their cable is 36", about 5 longer than stock.
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 21, 2016, 03:53:13 PM
5" longer might be an issue. There might be too much slack.

Your best bet is probably a Lokar cable or a used one from a junk yard. I think I have two spare junk yard cables in my stash of parts. I'll check tonight if you want.
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: V8Demon on September 22, 2016, 01:26:10 AM
That'd be great!  Thanks ��
Title: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 22, 2016, 11:46:24 PM
Turns out I just have that Ford packaged Pioneer cable I bought several years ago unfortunately.
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: mcb82gt on May 30, 2019, 11:18:11 AM

Reply #8 – September 20, 2016, 04:30:36 PM


That CA-9003 is the same part number I got a couple months back and it is the exact same length as the one on my Coupe but would only open the throttle body 75%.  You can buy it from OReillys as seen here:

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/PIO0/CA9033.oap?year=1993&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1134111&ck=Search_ca-9033_1134111_2075&keyword=ca-9033

And I dug up this old thread which has the correct part numbers which are identical to a Mustang auto/manual part numbers.

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?16386-Where-do-I-get-a-new-throttle-cable/page2



This link is dead, what are the correct part numbers for a 5.0 Auto throttle cable?
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: Aerocoupe on May 30, 2019, 04:04:07 PM
Evidently the thread I listed did not make it in the migration to the new board.

Found the part numbers for the Mustangs again.  Based this off of a 93 Ford Mustang 5.0

Automatic Trans  - E6SZ-9A758-A
Manual Trans - E6ZZ-9A758-A

Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 30, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
Evidently the thread I listed did not make it in the migration to the new board.

Found the part numbers for the Mustangs again.  Based this off of a 93 Ford Mustang 5.0

Automatic Trans  - E6SZ-9A758-A
Manual Trans - E6ZZ-9A758-A



Why is there a different part number for the manual vs. automatic cable? They should be the same part, at least on the throttle body end. The two cables should also be the same length. Is the attachment at the throttle pedal in the car different between the two?
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: Aerocoupe on May 30, 2019, 06:21:11 PM
Possibly a stiffer return spring due to the kick down cable? Never had to mess with an auto car but I do know that every auto to manual conversion I’ve helped with we have not changed the throttle cable.  Never went the other way (manual to auto) so no experience there.
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: Aerocoupe on June 24, 2019, 01:56:32 PM
Just to link stuff up for those that are searching this.  I built a new throttle cable for my '93 Coupe and how to do it is here:

https://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/index.php?topic=41120.0
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: mcb82gt on September 15, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
Turns out I just have that Ford packaged Pioneer cable I bought several years ago unfortunately.

I just got a nos ford cable, how do I identify if its the damn Pioneer cable?  Damn it!
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 15, 2020, 11:21:25 AM
Hey just FYI, LMR is selling new cables:
https://lmr.com/item/LRS-9758A/1986-93-Mustang-50L-Manual-Transmission-Throttle-Cable

I put one of these in the convertible this past spring, seems to be just fine. It was identical to the stock cable I took out. I had terrible cable stretch with the factory one, and this solved the issue completely.

From what I know, aftermarket throttle cables have been few and far between, and I heard it took a few attempts to get this one right. So far, so good.
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: mcb82gt on September 15, 2020, 11:44:01 AM
Hey just FYI, LMR is selling new cables:
https://lmr.com/item/LRS-9758A/1986-93-Mustang-50L-Manual-Transmission-Throttle-Cable

I put one of these in the convertible this past spring, seems to be just fine. It was identical to the stock cable I took out. I had terrible cable stretch with the factory one, and this solved the issue completely.

From what I know, aftermarket throttle cables have been few and far between, and I heard it took a few attempts to get this one right. So far, so good.

Did you pull the intake tube and make sure you are getting 100% TB blade opening?  Thanks Eric.
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: EricCoolCats on September 15, 2020, 12:31:32 PM
Yes, verified. Actually my original cable, stretched as it was, still opened the blade correctly. It just took a lot of pedal pressure to do so. With this new LMR cable there is much better throttle response. I'm pretty happy with it.
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: mo2872 on September 15, 2020, 12:42:02 PM
Is this the cure for a "binding" pedal?  Seems I have to mash the pedal pretty hard on first starting, before putting in gear, to "break" it loose.  It's fine after that, until it sits a good while again. 
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: gtbird on September 15, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Just an FYI about wide open throttle. Several years ago, I replaced the original floor mats with some custom embroidered mats.
Some time later, I had the car being Dyno tuned and the tuner couldn’t achieve wide open throttle, it was the floor mat preventing the pedal from fully reaching the floor. He yanked the mat out of the car, problem solved. I still had the original floor mats and overlaid it onto the new mats and the new driver’s side mat did not have a provision to properly allow the pedal to fully travel to the floor. I marked the new mat, removed the binding along the edge and cut it to the contour of the factory mat. I then took the new mat to a cobbler shop and had him restitch the edge binding.
Problem that was not very evident at first.
Rick
Title: Re: Throttle to gas pedal cable
Post by: mcb82gt on September 16, 2020, 10:38:18 AM
I just got a nos ford cable, how do I identify if its the damn Pioneer cable?  Damn it!

Anyone?