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Lounge / Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement....
Quote from: montecitan
there's no replacement for displacement is right..
even with power adders, the more displacement you have, the more power you get to the wheels after all the same mods..

case in point 347>331>308>306>302 going by the same block with the same heads, intake, and exhaust work blown or not..

You're missing the whole point.....Your case is point is not a case in point at all...

Obviously in most cases, a power adder on a larger engine will produce a higher output than the same power adder on a smaller one...duh....thank you Mr. Obvious

A power adder is just that...a power adder.....thus the statement that a power adder is a replacement for displacement.  A power adder on your 302 has the potential to increase it's power output similar to that of a larger engine.  Of course if you add the same power adder to a larger engine the potential power output will increase.  The factory added a power adder to a 2.3L 4 cyl engine and it wound up with almost the same power output of their "hot" V8 that was over twice the size.  It could have been more and they could have added a power adder to the 5.0 as well...  They couldn't do any more with the 5.0 at the time and keep the emissions in check and since they couldn't have a "little 4 cyl" out power their top dog engine.... 

Anyway, that's all beside the point.

The whole point is doing more with less...increasing efficiency instead of just increasing size...
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Lounge / Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement....
Quote from: TurboCoupe50


Hey Chuck, here's one, I've kicked around stickin' a 2.3 turbo into a Aerostar. If I could find a early one in decent cond, that had the 2.3('86-'87 only) I might just do it. But I ain't about to hunt up all the pieces to convert a V6 Star..... Just imagine 225hp(yea I'd crank up the boost a little) in a empty box.....


It's actually crossed my mind....but I have avoided the mini-van trap thus far...so no need to at this point.  :grinno:  I don't see swapping a V6 Aerostar any more different than my 2.3T/T-5 swap into my 87 V6/auto Ranger.  Yeah, it would be easier to start with a 2.3 van though.  When I was married I actually thought about trying to do one with the 2.3T and the AWD, but I don't think they did a 2.3 with the AWD, so it would have taken screwing around with bellhousings and transfer cases and the lot....I didn't want to go through that much work for a mini-van :wtf:
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Lounge / Re: Eric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool.  As long as I can sneak out of work on that Friday I should be there. 

Gonna make for a busy 3 weeks...

July 22-24 Cat Jam
July 29-31 G/f's family reunion in Michigan
Aug 5-7 Get together with my family in Tennessee
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Lounge / Re: There´s not replacement for Displacement....
A power-adder IS a replacement for displacement.  It makes a smaller engine perform like a larger one.  Simple enough.  It doesn't mean a smaller engine with a turbo will neccessarily out perform, or in some cases even equal a larger N/A engine with about the same output numbers. 

Also in some cases the smaller engine doesn't = better mileage.  It all depends on too many factors to qualify that statement with any more than a "generally" it is true.  Alot of the time the technology and "vintage" of the design of the engine will have alot to do with it.  I know around town, my turbo motors don't do a whole lot better than than say an EFI 5.0 (17-20mpg), but generally on longer highway trips in the more "aero" packages I can get 30+ (the truck is still hampered by the fact that my refidgerator is more aerodynamic).
I myself am a smaller displacement with a power adder (perferably turbo) guy.  They are able to squeeze some impressive numbers out of larger engines these days and still get good emissions and mileage out of them.  It's all in the technology.

In general I disagree with mexcougars statement.....there are replacements for displacement.  Whether they are "better" or not is up to the individual to decide for themselves.
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Suspension/Steering / Re: Need spring hellp now!
Start with something like the F or G kit and dial in as much positive caster as you can with those c/c plates to help with the camber gain on turn.  Also, get at least the large stock front bar (33mm) and use poly bushings.

Then drive the car for a bit and see what it needs.  If you decide then that the front springs are too soft, you can then hunt down something different (stiffer) like the C-kits or even the Eibach Comp front springs.  I know you can get just the C-kit fronts from KBs.
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Suspension/Steering / Re: Need spring hellp now!
Quote from: bluebird46
OK, but what would be good springs, the F springs are kinda low for what I want to use them for and I would like to have some higher rate springs to keep the body roll down. And just saying, I may be wrong, I thought load rating for springs was for if you are towing, which I am not doing.


The load rating on a spring is how much weight it's able to support....on a stock TBird/Cougar rear spring, this value is 950#, per spring...on the C-kits, it's 730# per spring.  It doesn't have to do with only towing...it also hold the rear of the car up.  We're talking about almost 450# less rating.  Some of the other lowering springs raise this value to almost 800#.  That's about the minimum you'd want on one of these (I've 4-corner weighed my car (83 2.3T) and with driver the rear weight of the car was just about 1600#.

Now the front rate on the C-kits is 650# (linear), while the stock, and most "lowering springs" are 425-530# progressive. The C-kit fronts are pretty good springs, and unless you step-up to the eibach competition set (750-850#), it's hard to find much heavier these days.  The F or G kits both offer higher spring rates than stock on the front and about the same on the rear, with much better load ratings to hold the heavy hind end of these cars up.  Unless you get custom springs there isn't really much choice these days.

It also all depends on what mods the class you are wanting to run in allows.  Have you checked that out?  Sometimes adding c/c plates bumps you into a modifed class.  The reason I ask is you can set thing up differently if you can fiddle with the alignment far past what you can do with the stock stuff.
What is allowed in the class you want to run?  That should be one of the first things you figure out.  Springs, struts, geometry, tires all play a key part in helping these things handle, but unless you know what you are allowed to change and what you aren't you really have no direction to go. 

I know Hawk might have something to say on this matter as well.  He's very knowledgeable about setting these chassis up as well.
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Suspension/Steering / Re: Need spring hellp now!
Quote from: bluebird46
Well, considering that I am autocrossing the car (which is the reason i am getting the springs). I will probably go with the c springs. I know that the rates on the rear are a little low, but its higher than the Eibachs I was going to get, they 150-200 progressive, the c's are 200-300 progressive. The only thing is is that the book says it wil lower a V8 Mustang 1 inch in the front and 2 inches in the back. that might be a little to low for 245's, I don't know, any body tried it.

You are not reading what I wrote.  yes the spring rates are higher..but the load rating is MUCH lower.  It is much too low for a TBird IMO....ie we're talking 400+# less load capacity on the rear springs vs the stockers.....
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Lounge / Re: Eric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it's that weekend, I may not be able to make it......I think I'll be in Michigan or something....
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Suspension/Steering / Re: Need spring hellp now!
I've got 245 front 255 rear...and I know folks who have wider.  My ex's 83 ran 245/50-16s and it was as low as mine is.  It will depend more on your wheels.
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Lounge / Re: Wow, you guys are really slow.....
I think that pic was an "in process" pic.

He did a good job with the work...but he made several choices I would not have made (wheels, neon..old carbed motor..too much stereo eq), but he obviously put alot of work into it and I can appreciate that.

Makes me want to get my XR-7 together...still don't have room to rip it all apart though :(  I guess I better just get the engine together then ;)