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Title: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on October 01, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
This is my '88 Turbo Coupe.  I've been lurking around here trying to get up to speed.  I am still a long way off.

Not a lot of options in this car.  I have been working on it slowly trying to get it up to snuff.
(http://i.imgur.com/RTRAed1l.jpg) (https://imgur.com/RTRAed1)

(http://i.imgur.com/bBht7OMh.jpg) (https://imgur.com/bBht7OM)

(http://i.imgur.com/nGjA9vRl.png) (https://imgur.com/nGjA9vR)

I've taken the airbox out and put an open element on it.  Added a Gilles Valve too, but there are some problems there with the boost control. 
(http://i.imgur.com/eZbUMoJl.png) (https://imgur.com/eZbUMoJ)

When I got the car a couple of the injectors were stuck open and the fuel tank was full of junk.  New fuel tank and rebuilt injectors and she is back up running.  Idle hunts around as if it has a big cam in it but I think that is one of the sensors needing adjusting.  It does have a roller cam (-4°).  Needs an exhaust soon plus a refresh on the suspension & brakes. 

Here was my 2nd TBird from a long time ago.
(http://i.imgur.com/BfTBDF4l.jpg) (https://imgur.com/BfTBDF4)
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Vintage on October 01, 2018, 07:55:16 PM
Very clean looking TC. Nice work with getting the fuel system cleaned up and running good again. Post up when you do any more mods or fixes on it, these cars are tough to kill, very worth putting a few hours and dollars into keeping them running good.
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: gtbird on October 01, 2018, 10:55:48 PM
Mikey, where in Connecticut are you located, I’m next door in Coventry RI.
Rick
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on October 02, 2018, 08:45:31 AM
Quote from: Vintage;467371
Very clean looking TC. Nice work with getting the fuel system cleaned up and running good again. Post up when you do any more mods or fixes on it, these cars are tough to kill, very worth putting a few hours and dollars into keeping them running good.
Thank you!  The interior is in really good shape.  The car has about 120k on the clock right now.  She has a few dents on the roof, hood, and trunk from tree limbs that fell.  The worst part is trying to get the cigar smoke out of the interior.  I first bombed it with a Turtle Wax product that lasted a couple weeks.  Then left vinegar in a bowl for a few days.  Last week I opened an ozone bomb that seems promising to finally kill most of the scent.

Quote from: gtbird;467375
Mikey, where in Connecticut are you located, I’m next door in Coventry RI.
Rick
Hi Rick, I am near the center of the state in Connecticut (Prospect).  I was close to your neck of the woods when I went to the Thrill & Chill Turkey Run by Rhody Rovers (Dirt Bike / Dual Sport ride).
-Mike

Edit: Rick, impressive modification list in your signature.  Did I see your car on one of the Facebook pages? I think it was a black TC I am remembering.
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: gtbird on October 02, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
Mikey: You would not have seen my car on Facebook as I don’t do Facebook (I’m an old geezer, 63).
My car is silver with the same “porno red” interior as yours.
I forgot to mention in my first post that you have a great looking car. Maybe next spring we could meet up somewhere and check out each other’s ride. Right now, I’m out of commission, I just had rotatator cuff surgery and I can’t shift, can’t drive my Cobra either.
Rick
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on October 02, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: gtbird;467379
Mikey: You would not have seen my car on Facebook as I don’t do Facebook (I’m an old geezer, 63).
My car is silver with the same “porno red” interior as yours.
I forgot to mention in my first post that you have a great looking car. Maybe next spring we could meet up somewhere and check out each other’s ride. Right now, I’m out of commission, I just had rotatator cuff surgery and I can’t shift, can’t drive my Cobra either.
Rick
Heal up soon, Rick. 
That would be good in the spring.  I think we should try to get a New England group meet and maybe piggy back it on some other show.  Maybe something like Mustang unlimited show?
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: gtbird on October 02, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
I'm going to physical therapy twice a week and I'm getting better by the week.
A couple of pics of my ride.
Rick
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Vintage on October 02, 2018, 02:21:57 PM
Awesome looking engine bay Rick!

Gotta admit, I had no idea there were as many 5.0+power adder Birds on here. Its a beautiful thing!
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on October 02, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
She's a beauty!
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on November 19, 2018, 09:37:11 AM
I put my car away for the winter.  Unfortunately it stays outside since I don't have the garage space.  I put a tarp under it and it has a mild slope so hopefully the water runs off plus put the car cover on it.  Also used a gas stabilizer when topping the fuel off.  I should pull the battery and put it on a tender.

I put roughly  1k miles on it this summer and didn't do much else other than get it cleaned up.  I did remove the rear seat to fix a seat belt so the kiddos could ride in it.
I did battle the cigar smell in the car and I think I've gotten the upper hand on it finally.  I found on Amazon this stuff:  Dakota OBNA-5 Bomb/Car Odor Eliminator Neutral Air
So far the Dakota OBNA-5 car bomb seems to have eliminated the smell.  We'll see if I need to do it again in the spring after being closed up.

Things that need to be done this winter is a clutch and exhaust.  Will wait until after the holidays.
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Tbird232ci on November 20, 2018, 08:43:14 AM
That's my favorite color combo for these cars. Same color as my first TC, but I had red leather. Looks like a very nice car.
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on November 20, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;468063
That's my favorite color combo for these cars. Same color as my first TC, but I had red leather. Looks like a very nice car.

Thank you!
Title: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on January 07, 2019, 02:00:28 PM
The car is hibernating with all the salt on the roads. 

I have been helping my friend work on his Mazda putting a LS/LT 5.7 with a T56 in his Mazda.  It's a track car.
(https://i.imgur.com/mVa4vT5b.jpg)

He recently asked what I think I am getting out of helping.  My repsonse was simply another set of hands once we start working on mine.  :)

Edits: playing with picture size.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on April 01, 2019, 10:23:49 AM
I uncovered the car the car a couple weeks ago and discovered some new leaks and one I had been chasing previously.

One of the new leaks was from the oil level sensor that the previous owner had disconnected and filled with silicone.  The thread size is M20 x 1.5 and I found an oil plug at the local auto store to replace it for the time being.

The next leak was an existing one in the plumbing for the remote oil filter.  I tightened up the fittings and hopefully that will be enough but I am not holding my breathe.

Good news is that I finished the oil change and no spots on the garage floor.....yet.

One of the new leaks is transmission fluid color.  I believe the T5 uses regular ATF?  It appears to be coming out of the larger bolt (low) on the passenger side.  I have an appointment for the clutch later this week so I will have him check for the leak and seal.  Timing wise I just don't have it to replace the clutch on the garage floor.

Late last year I bought this LED headlight kit off Amazon:  LED Headlights (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H8VILDQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I had read about the getting the headlight bulb retainers from Dorman too so I got those and I agree the bulb won't cool well with the stock deep retainers.  The one problem I found is the LED lights have the wiring come out the side of the bulbs which makes it difficult to get the retainer onto them.  I tried to cut a notch into the retainer but cause the brittle plastic to break.  I ordered another set and will use a Dremel to make a notch for the wiring loom to go through.

I have not polished my headlights.  I picked up a kit last night to finish the job, but I am impressed so far just with the light change. 

Left (driver's side) is the LED
(http://i.imgur.com/PjecANZl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/PjecANZ)
(http://i.imgur.com/JsaXBnVl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/JsaXBnV)
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on April 05, 2019, 08:11:59 PM
Notched the retainer to fit the wire through.
http://imgur.com/a/hK8rrVH

I did get to drive the car a bit yesterday before the rain came.
https://i.imgur.com/AO9yUWt.jpg
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 06, 2019, 12:26:39 AM
How's the chrome in the lenses? Good chrome makes a big difference on brightness and light pattern.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on April 08, 2019, 07:57:42 AM
How's the chrome in the lenses? Good chrome makes a big difference on brightness and light pattern.
I don't know.  The lens is so foggy I can't see from the outside so I would need to remove the assembly to look in from  the back.  I am guessing it is going to be in not perfect shape.
I have to admit I am dreading to open the lens up in fear of breaking something.  I am sure the inside of the lens needs to be polished.  What have you guys been doing to refurb the mirror portion?
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on April 09, 2019, 09:01:18 AM
I drove the car last night with the LED bulbs I linked above.  A big improvement over the regular 9004's on low beam.  High beam was scattered different and really didn't seem to be much use.  Also, the headlight out indicator came on even though they were not.  It is odd cause it was not on this morning until later although I had turned on my fog lights by that point.  I will see if I can trace down if it is a combination of things on that is triggering the headlight out warning light.

Nobody flashed me that my headlights were too bright.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on April 23, 2019, 02:15:07 PM
I brought my car in to my mechanic to have the clutch changed and I had him put a new exhaust on too.

I bought a 3" full Stinger exhaust a month or so ago.  My mechanic had trouble putting the exhaust on so I emailed Shannon @ Stinger and within a short period of time he called my mechanic to give some advice.  Big kudos to Shannon for giving him a call.  I took the car to a ler shop this morning to have it tweaked and new hangers put on.    Sounds pretty good for a 4 cylinder.

I used to do everything on my cars myself.  I could've spent a weekend on a creeper trying to put the clutch in myself, but in this case I'd rather spend the time with my children.  It was the right choice for me especially once I saw that some of the bolts broke and stripped in the bell housing.  It would've been the scene out of Christmas Story when the father goes to work on the furnace.

(https://i.imgur.com/45vyLcv.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: mcb82gt on April 24, 2019, 09:33:32 AM



So far the Dakota OBNA-5 car bomb seems to have eliminated the smell.  We'll see if I need to do it again in the spring after being closed up.



Throw one of these in the car over the storage time.  Ive had good luck with them.
https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/bad-air-sponge-reg/1016266302?keyword=odor-absorber


Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on April 26, 2019, 08:39:41 AM
So far the Dakota OBNA-5 car bomb seems to have eliminated the smell.  We'll see if I need to do it again in the spring after being closed up.
Throw one of these in the car over the storage time.  Ive had good luck with them.
https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/bad-air-sponge-reg/1016266302?keyword=odor-absorber
Thanks Mike!  I will try that this winter.  Since I have been driving it a bit these past two weeks that cigar smell has seemed to dwindle down in strength.  I will try that sponge next winter. 
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on May 01, 2019, 01:11:41 PM
She got new sneakers today!  Now to find a good Thunderbird symbol to make the vinyl stickers for the center caps.
(https://i.imgur.com/cldwQzv.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on May 01, 2019, 01:59:33 PM
Car looks great. Try Danco Lettering for the vinyl Tbird wheel emblems. I used them in the past and were great to deal with.
Ray
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 01, 2019, 07:50:17 PM
She got new sneakers today!  Now to find a good Thunderbird symbol to make the vinyl stickers for the center caps.
(https://i.imgur.com/cldwQzv.jpg)

Looks great! The 93 Cobra wheels just look natural on our cars, probably because the MN-12s had similar wheels from the factory.

Are those the wheels that Late Model Restoration sells? How's the fitment in the front? Do they stick out past the fender lip at all? I'm considering picking up a set to replace the Snowflakes on my car in a couple of years. 
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on May 02, 2019, 08:00:02 AM
Looks great! The 93 Cobra wheels just look natural on our cars, probably because the MN-12s had similar wheels from the factory.

Are those the wheels that Late Model Restoration sells? How's the fitment in the front? Do they stick out past the fender lip at all? I'm considering picking up a set to replace the Snowflakes on my car in a couple of years. 
Thank you!

I did get those from LMR.  First time ordering from those folks and was a pretty easy transaction.  I had ordered wheels originally from Mustangs Unlimited, but had to cancel the order after waiting 6 weeks to find out they wouldn't have the rims until December.  Only complaint about that was I had to pester them for an answer when the wheels would be in otherwise they were helpful and local for me.

I did notice the front wheels appear to stick out a little more than the stock snowflakes.  I will take a picture and post it up over the weekend.  The local tire shop suggested that I do something with the ABS wire to tuck in more.

The car had 265/50R16 on the rear and although I liked the look it did not drive very well in my opinion.  It was so much better driving home last night on the back roads and highway.   The old tires had too much sidewall that made the car "wiggle" so I was always correcting and now it just goes straight and turns in nice.  Planning to do the rear control arms in August/September.

Next up is eliminating all the squeaks and rattles.  Then onto optimizing the stock brakes. 
The brakes feel vague to me at this point.  Is that the Teves setup causing that sensation?
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on May 02, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
Car looks great. Try Danco Lettering for the vinyl Tbird wheel emblems. I used them in the past and were great to deal with.
Ray
Thank you!

My coworker has a vinyl cutting/making setup he uses for his RC planes and offered to help me.  good to know if I fall on my face there's a backup.  At work we have a laser marker, but I am too chicken to permanently mark it yet.  If I get a good image file from my coworker from the vinyl I may be tempted later down the road.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on May 28, 2019, 08:36:25 AM
Wheel stickers are on!
(https://i.imgur.com/VtRtZ1W.png)

I pretty much spent my budget for the year on the car.  I am going to paint the b-pillars over soon.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: thunderjet302 on May 28, 2019, 04:03:13 PM
IIRC 89-92 Thunderbird SC wheel center caps might fit those wheels as well.

Those stickers look great BTW.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on August 26, 2019, 11:43:05 AM
The B-pillars were driving me nuts with the paint flaking off.  I didn't do the best job but rattle canned some paint on them for the time being so I don't twitch anymore.

I've put about 3000 miles on it this summer and just did another oil change.  I need to get it in for an alignment since the front tires are showing some outside wear.  Slowly collecting parts to update the brakes and rear suspension.  there's a new noise in the front so might be working on the front too.

I went to a car show in Prospect, CT Sunday.  Over 500 cars there.  I was the only Fox body Thunderbird there.
(https://i.imgur.com/RS1uAJ8l.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on March 02, 2020, 11:58:08 AM
Yesterday, I added some dye to the oil to find an oil leak that was coming from the back of the motor.  I was worried I had a rear main leak.  Nope it was coming out of the dip stick so new o-ring was put in hopefully will help but there is more.....

My friend came over to help and he brought a leak down tester.  The car has been blowing a puff of smoke when first starting so I was guessing the oil seals were not good.  About a year ago at 119k miles I had a compression test done that was around 145 across all the cylinders.  After pressurizing two cylinders and hearing the air leak into the valve cover that was enough of that.  It needs valve seals.  Probably didn't help the dip stick seal previously either.

I was having an over boost problem.   Last year I found a used ihi turbo, wastegate, and actuator.  I bench tested the actuator to make sure it opened at 10 psi and it did.  I was short on time and without a lift so I made an appointment with my mechanic to swap the actuator out last fall.  He called and said the wastegate was frozen shut.  So yesterday was the day to pull the manifold and turbo off to see what was going on.

An innocent bystander of the day was the lower coolant line off the turbo.  Are the "rubber" hoses on the ends factory?
(https://i.imgur.com/3MfRCd5m.png)

The wastgate was not seized, but the actuator arm had an extra washer or something in it to cause binding.  No axial play was left in it and had caused it to corrode solid.  Stupid modification. 
I didn't take any before pictures but I did have to use a grinding wheel to cut the arm and pin out of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/R2hPzqam.png)

Another modification done was the EGR removal......
I need to find a 1/2 NPT plug and a hotter torch to get this one out.  Do I need to do anything to seal the threads when I put the plug in?
(https://i.imgur.com/xjVsNVPm.png)

I need to pull the head.
(https://i.imgur.com/6DnXy4Om.png)

Later this week my brake parts should arrive.  Braided brake lines, Hawk pads, and the metal inserts for the front calipers.  that should get the 4 lug brake system up to par for my use so far.  When I replace the brakes I will also be replacing the rear upper and lower control arms.  More fun soon.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on March 05, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
This past Fall I had the car aligned and tires rotated.  I didn't check the lug nut torque afterwards....big mistake.  I have a locking lug on each wheel and the key stripped on the last one.  All the lugs were over torqued badly enough that I am worried about the studs.
Back to the locking lug.  I got to learn the use a 12 point socket and a hammer to press over the locking lug.    Got it off and was happy I didn't need to get a lug nut welded on it.
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: Mikey97D on March 20, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Mike's Engine Shop in Naugatuck rebuilt the head for me quick.  No cracks, new valve seats and seals were needed.  He had it done within 5 days for me.  Last Sunday we got the head back on the motor.  I also tried the high temp crinkle paint on the upper intake and valve cover.  I used high temp clear on the sanded parts.  Not perfect but looks better than it did. 
(https://i.imgur.com/zRMRBdyl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7GKTVrnl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2Iu3OApl.jpg)

I need to bend up a lower coolant line before putting the turbo/exhaust manifold back on.  Unfortunately I broke the inside plastic timing belt cover when putting the head on.  I'll need to do the string method to double check the belt timing.  I have not started on the brakes yet other than getting the car up on jackstands.
(https://i.imgur.com/JdVCKuol.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress.
Post by: mcb82gt on March 20, 2020, 09:34:33 AM
Nice work!     I think the intake/VC look nice!
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on March 20, 2020, 01:49:46 PM
Nice work!     I think the intake/VC look nice!
Thanks Mike!
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: gtbird on March 20, 2020, 07:01:41 PM
Looks good Mike. Keep on plugging away and you’ll be boostin’ before you know it!
Rick
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on April 02, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
Looks good Mike. Keep on plugging away and you’ll be boostin’ before you know it!
Rick
Rick, it seems like it is taking forever.  Thank you for the kind words.

Motor is together other than I need to reconnect the oil return line and brace.  Unfortunately I need to pull the starter to get my arm up in there to align everything and hold the gasket in place.  Then fill the coolant and do an oil change.
(https://i.imgur.com/XIZaDq1l.jpg)

While sulking about pulling the starter off,  I pulled the brakes off to prep.  Just need to pull the rubber brake lines off next.  Getting the rear rotors cut and had to order new front rotors which should be in tomorrow.
(https://i.imgur.com/yJQQw52l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/31nVModl.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on April 15, 2020, 10:29:54 AM
Finished the brake job with the information given to me on this thread:   Optimizing '88 TC Brakes (https://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/index.php?topic=41183.0)

Parts List:
MM Front Brake Hose Kit, 1994-04 (MMBK4F)
Hawk Performance Pads (Street) HB263B.650
SVE Stainless Steel Insert SVE-H5016-CS from LMR
MM Rear Caliper Brake Hose Kit: 1994-1995 (MMBK12R)
Hawk Performance Pads HP580F.627
Rear Brake Hose H38611 Dorman <This will be replaced with a braided hose in the future>

Unfortunately, MM was having a supplier problem for their inserts.  The SVE inserts did not all press into the caliper and some were more of a running fit.  I am tempted to use Loctite 680 on the OD of the inserts but not sure it will hold up to the temperatures to hold for a cylindrical bond.

I used Loctite 242 for the thread on the pins.  Unfortunately I was left to only cleaning them and reuse (wrong part delivered from local parts store).  I will replace these once the world returns to "normal".
(https://i.imgur.com/oKcSMw6l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KHA64Vcl.jpg)

Bedded the brakes last night and very happy with the feel and responsiveness so far.



Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on April 15, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
I am befuddled on the engine timing belt. 

I have had the timing belt on and off this car more than a few times.  After I line everything up, I always turn the crank over twice to make sure everything is aligned (belt slack or whatever). 

It was one tooth off 3 times in a row in the same direction and I even advanced it 2 teeth on the last try........it was still off in the same spot.  I just walked away at that point to go make dinner.   :dunno:

I returned a few hours later with the decision that this isn't an interference motor.  Tightened the belt bolts up and lined the distributor back to #1 and it start up and then I set the timing by ear for a temporary measure.  Checked the coolant and oil.

Took the car out of the garage and bedded the brakes. 
Car is still over boosting even with the boost valve turned all the way out.   :mad:
Next up:
1. Getting the timing belt figured out.
2. Set the timing
3. Put a vacuum gauge on the line feeding the boost valve to see if it is ever seeing a positive pressure.  Of course I will check the vacuum too.  I have a boost gauge that I could tape to the hood windshield to see what is going on that might work better.  I tested the actuator on the bench before putting the turbo in the car.  I will double check again.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on April 15, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
On the timing belt, you need to make sure the only slack is on the "back side" of the belt where the tensioner is. If you have ANY slack on the right side of it, from the cam pulley down over the AUX and to the crank, it will shift.

Reading back, did you have this issue when the head was reinstalled?
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on April 15, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
On the timing belt, you need to make sure the only slack is on the "back side" of the belt where the tensioner is. If you have ANY slack on the right side of it, from the cam pulley down over the AUX and to the crank, it will shift.

Reading back, did you have this issue when the head was reinstalled?
Thank you for the tip!
I had everything lined up when I put the head on and then I needed to adjust the timing, but the distributor didn't have enough room to rotate so I pulled the belt off and rotate the auxiliary so I would have room to adjust.  The was my first start since the head went back on.
Having too much slack on the tensioner side makes sense with the direction it was off each time.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on April 15, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
You actually want all of the slack on the tensioner side (Between the crank and cam pulleys). If everything is tight between the cam and aux and aux and crank, nothing will want to shift on that side when the tensioner is applied.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on April 27, 2020, 07:57:50 AM
Thanks Chuck.  I got everything lined up and it is running. 

Borrowed a smoke machine from a friend.  That thing is awesome and I found the vacuum leaks!  The car is running very well.
Here's a video from my Google photo bucket.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cXfrMHsT2LXkuGKfA

I have some oil leaks I need to chase now.  Once the rain passes I will put some dye in the oil to see where it is coming from.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on May 08, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
A couple updates.
I dropped the car off with a mechanic yesterday and he does not believe the dip stick tube is the correct one for my car.  It is very loose where the tube goes into the block so for a temporary measure an oring and some sealant until i can find another.  Before bringing it in I tried a smaller oring and that did nothing, Then tried sealant that semi-worked.  I needed someone to look at it on a lift other than me.  He also found it is starting to seep from the front of the oil pan.

The rear control arms have been replaced with CHE adjustable lower and the fixed length upper.  For now I am using the Moog CC821 rear coil springs which are shorter than the OEM springs.  Although the springs are shorter the it did raise the rear of the car 1/4".  I will re-measure in a couple weeks after the suspension settles. 

It is raining here today, but I could still tell the car is tracking straight over road irregularity compared to before.

The car should be a good driver now for the year.  Looking forward to just enjoying the car for a bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/6Keujx9l.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on May 08, 2020, 06:52:29 PM
How's the PCV system in the car? That could be exacerbating the oil issues.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on May 08, 2020, 08:51:06 PM
The check valve "rattled" very easily when I shook it while the head was off.  I forgot to check the valve cover breather but I remember cleaning it out last year.  There was quite a bit of oil when I took everything apart where it feeds in before the turbo.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on May 09, 2020, 12:04:03 AM
The check valve "rattled" very easily when I shook it while the head was off.  I forgot to check the valve cover breather but I remember cleaning it out last year.  There was quite a bit of oil when I took everything apart where it feeds in before the turbo.

Well, rattling is fine, but did you try and blow through it to make sure it shut? You could be pressurizing the crankcase. Even new, the check valves can leak.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on May 09, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
The check valve "rattled" very easily when I shook it while the head was off.  I forgot to check the valve cover breather but I remember cleaning it out last year.  There was quite a bit of oil when I took everything apart where it feeds in before the turbo.

Well, rattling is fine, but did you try and blow through it to make sure it shut? You could be pressurizing the crankcase. Even new, the check valves can leak.
I will check!  Thanks for the ideas.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on May 09, 2020, 03:48:52 PM
Unfortunately the check valve out of the crankcase is working perfectly and the breather out of the valve cover is flowing easily.  There's quite a bit of oil that came out the threads of the oil fill cap.
Not good.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on May 14, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
Yesterday I spent some time adjusting multiple things.  I also bought a cheap oil catch can off Amazon that was delivered Tuesday.  I don't care for catch cans and the smell but this is temporary to help me diagnosis what is going on.

I plugged the vacuum line off the intake that went to the one way valve for the crankcase and put the catch can in its place.  I also tighten down my coupling into and out of the intercooler because the clamps were not tight enough and I was losing boost.  I got the boost back and adjusted the boost controller several times to get where I want it (17 psi).  I noticed I was still getting oil on the valve cover around the cap.  The oil cap has a self limiting tighten so I took a Channel lock to force it to tighten slightly more.  No more oil coming out of the cap. 

At a couple stop signs I did get a big puff of smoke from the catch can.  Not consistent at every stop but enough to make me say "Whoa where did that come from?"

The car is running very well otherwise.  Handling is improved and pleasant to drive.  I need to check the timing again maybe over the weekend.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on May 14, 2020, 12:28:27 PM
Well, if the tube from the block vent is just going to the catch can, you've basically taken out the beneficial component of the PCV system.  Yeah, you're not pushing boost pressure into the crankcase now (getting past the factory check-valve), but you're also not pulling any vacuum on it, either.

When you're coming to a stop, the puff of smoke is what the engine would naturally draw back into the combustion chamber when you let off of the gas, and the system starts pulling vacuum. Heat, oil aeration, etc cause a rise in pressure in the crankcase. That would cause your puff of smoke.
That's probably also what's causing oil to seep past the seal on your oil cap. How is the o-ring/seal on that cap?

What did you do with the fitting off of the valve cover?
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on May 14, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
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Well, if the tube from the block vent is just going to the catch can, you've basically taken out the beneficial component of the PCV system.  Yeah, you're not pushing boost pressure into the crankcase now (getting past the factory check-valve), but you're also not pulling any vacuum on it, either.
After doing this experiment I am not sure boost was getting past the valve,  I am thinking putting this portion back to stock and putting the valve cover breather to the catch can.

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When you're coming to a stop, the puff of smoke is what the engine would naturally draw back into the combustion chamber when you let off of the gas, and the system starts pulling vacuum. Heat, oil aeration, etc cause a rise in pressure in the crankcase. That would cause your puff of smoke.
That's probably also what's causing oil to seep past the seal on your oil cap. How is the o-ring/seal on that cap?
The seal on the bottom of the cap is a hard rubber almost felt feeling pad on the bottom of the cap.  Me over tightening he cap is using the threads compressed to seal rather than the rubber alone.

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What did you do with the fitting off of the valve cover?
I left that alone.  That line goes in between the VAM and Turbo.  I am contemplating running that line to the catch can in place of the crankcase vent as I have it set now.

Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on June 24, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
The local Foxbody club setup a dyno day that I brought the Thunderbird to that they ran a sniffer in the exhaust so I could see the AFR number.  Between the 2 runs the AFR stayed at 12:1.
Made 189.74 HP at 5360 RPM and 226.54 ft-lbs of torque at 3570 RPM.  82°F & 52% Humidity
Considering that no big changes have been done to the engine not to shabby at the rear wheels.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on November 01, 2020, 05:27:03 PM
Got some new pictures of the car last weekend from a friend and even got some drone footage.  Pictures make it look better than it is in its paint.

(https://i.imgur.com/oABwhaUl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3z8siY4l.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0JWlGuMl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/F0AtQGdl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CIcdAxXl.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: mcb82gt on November 02, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
Who doesnt love action pics!!!!   Nice.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Clayton on November 02, 2020, 04:49:42 PM
Lookin' good Mikey!
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Tbird232ci on November 08, 2020, 05:07:57 AM
Looks awesome!
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on June 30, 2021, 03:45:48 PM
I have not updated this thread in 8 months.

Last year summer/fall (2020), I experienced over heating where I found only one of my electric fans was running.  I did the KOEO with the jump wire in the diagnostic port under the hood to confirm relays were okay and I was getting voltage to the motor(s).  I replaced the one motor and for good measure changed the thermostat to a Stant SuperStat (Stant 45820 SuperStat 192 Degrees Fahrenheit Thermostat) after doing some searching on TurboFord. 
Here's a link to Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003B1MQHA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The car runs well without overheating now.  Still gets pretty hot on the highway with the A/C running according to the factory temperature gauge so that leads me to the next step of part collecting. 
1. '94-04 Mach 1 Chin Spoiler  (plus it looks cool to replace the small chin spoiler on it currently)
2. Scott Rod Fabrication radiator to bumper cover - Awesome customer service btw

There were other plans for this year that got shuffled back.  I ordered frame connectors from Global West back in late January with a promise to deliver by the end of February.  They missed the shipping date and I had to pester for an update that they missed again with more pestering for another date which, guess what, they missed again without any updates. 
I pulled the plug on my order.  The lack of communication is what made give up on them and I will not order anything from them again.

Decided I will have to have a set made myself which Andrew said isn't too difficult out of pipe.  Maybe others have another idea on here?

3. Torque Box Reinforcements
4. AEM Wideband kit
5. Walbro 255 lph pump
6. E6 Manifold - ceramic coated black  (no benefit other than easier to assemble ahead of time the next component)
7. T3, water cooled, .48 a/r and a rebuild kit

Oh, and I found a set of '94 SN95 front spindles but that is for the future in a year or two.

I have to admit that I have looked at my 351W sitting on the stand more than a few times and thought why bother with this 2.3......I mean a part of my '79 Bird could live again and torque everywhere....but the handling would not be as good.....

Saving pennies for a FMIC, injectors, and PimpX. 
I won't wait to install the FMIC, Turbo and etc before the PimpX.  I think it should be fine between the fuel pump and adjustable frp.?.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Tbird232ci on July 01, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
The car runs well without overheating now.  Still gets pretty hot on the highway with the A/C running according to the factory temperature gauge so that leads me to the next step of part collecting. 
1. '94-04 Mach 1 Chin Spoiler  (plus it looks cool to replace the small chin spoiler on it currently)
2. Scott Rod Fabrication radiator to bumper cover - Awesome customer service btw

The Mach 1 chin spoiler isn't really any taller than the factory chin spoiler. I didn't notice any difference in cooling when I installed mine, but I also didn't have A/C.

Is Scott Rod making one specifically for our cars? I've been looking at making one myself, but I just haven't gotten to it. If it fits our cars how I would like, I'd be glad to buy one.

I don't know if it would help much in your case, but I've pulled the fan assembly off, unbolted the radiator, laid it back and used the hose to knock a bunch of grime out of the A/C condenser and then the radiator. Your car appears to be very clean so it may not be an issue with yours.

Decided I will have to have a set made myself which Andrew said isn't too difficult out of pipe.  Maybe others have another idea on here?

There are a handful of threads talking about that on here. Gumby did a nice set on his car in his build thread. He did his a little differently than most, but it will give you a great visual of what needs to be done. Andrew does sell the seat braces for the connectors (that Chuck W designed) that makes a decent difference. Not to bad mouth Andrew, but he really should be the last person you go to for tech. He hasn't installed a single part he makes on his own car.

Oh, and I found a set of '94 SN95 front spindles but that is for the future in a year or two.

Buy them and stash them. They're getting harder and harder to find.

Saving pennies for a FMIC, injectors, and PimpX. 
I won't wait to install the FMIC, Turbo and etc before the PimpX.  I think it should be fine between the fuel pump and adjustable frp.?.

Doing the turbo, FMIC and everything will be fine. I did a log header, hybrid turbo and a bunch of other  on a stock LA3 with a fuel pump and adjustable regulator. It wasn't ideal, but I didn't have any issues other than getting greedy with boost and popping head gaskets. I would heavily suggest getting the E6 ported by Steve Schlodes or BoPort, and trying to do a .63 turbine housing. Porting the E6 will basically allow the .63 to spool like a stock E6 and .48 would spool. It'll pull much better in the upper RPMs as well.

Don't forget to budget injectors. The PimpX runs high impedance injectors where as our cars are low. Our injectors are barely good enough for our cars in stock form as it is.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 02, 2021, 09:03:25 AM
Tbird232ci - I am not that good with all the quotes!!!! :bowdown:

ScottRod is making the underhood cover for our cars and called me to check on which year I had.  He said the latch location or shape changed depending on the year 83-88. 
http://scottrodfab.com/shop/index.php?id_product=186&controller=product

The spoiler is about 1/4" taller than the one that is on my car and that may be do to the bottom of the original being ground off from all the years.  The wider wrap around area should benefit too.

Thanks for reminding me to clean  out the fins of the evap and radiator.  I am going to hold off on that for when I get the FMIC since I will need to take the bumper / nose off for that.

Thanks for the tip to look at Gumby's thread for the frame connectors.  That thread is a black hole of time.

I bought that SN95 spindles and stashed them away a couple months ago.  I have been watching the market for a while and the prices for the spindles are climbing.  These were $100 directly off the car with the caliper and rotors along with the struts that I am not sure if I will keep any of the extras.

The extra E6 that i bought has a stich weld repair.  Not sure I should send that one out to be ported.  If I can get the T6 to spool as quickly at the IHI with the .48 that would be perfect for me at this stage.

Tbird232ci, Thank you for all the help and knowledge.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 02, 2021, 09:19:55 AM
Funny about mentioning the car is clean.  It's been a New England car it's entire life and has some scars from it  Started off with the original owner in Massachusetts and then to my Step mother and Dad.  My Step mom used to commute into the Bronx as a school teacher with the car for a few years.  About 2008 when gas prices went up and her back started hurting from the clutch, she got a Prius for the tax deduction and save on fuel. There's dings on the car and some tree branches fell on it in 2011 from Sandy(?) so it has some dents.  It's in good shape but no where near a garage queen.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on July 02, 2021, 11:06:55 PM
ScottRod is making the underhood cover for our cars and called me to check on which year I had.  He said the latch location or shape changed depending on the year 83-88. 

Thanks for the tip to look at Gumby's thread for the frame connectors.  That thread is a black hole of time.


Be sure you triple-check the location of all of the holes you need to cut. None of them lined up on the cover I bought from them for my '83 (and I specified an '83 when I ordered). I drilled one pilot hole and then thought to check the locations. I would've been pissed had I not done that, as I had to alter all of them to get it to fit. Looked good afterwards, though.
(https://turbochuckcom.ipage.com/webimages/projects/83%20TBird/2020/Nosecover/cover_3.jpg)

Gumby's method of the through-floor SFCs would be what I would do if I was building a fresh car. At this point, my set-up is too much to redo, just for the sake of redoing it. I'm planning on reworking the rear of the cage though, so I can get a rear seat back in the car (Much to my wife's chagrin).
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Tbird232ci on July 04, 2021, 01:25:28 AM
Tbird232ci - I am not that good with all the quotes!!!! :bowdown:
The trick is that I right-click the "quote" icon in the bottom-right of the post and then open it in a new tab. Then I can copy and paste the brackets that do the quotes and whatever text I'm quoting. It's a little tedious, but it comes from being on these forums for...Christ...over 20 years now.

ScottRod is making the underhood cover for our cars and called me to check on which year I had.  He said the latch location or shape changed depending on the year 83-88. 
http://scottrodfab.com/shop/index.php?id_product=186&controller=product
I'll be keeping an eye out on this thread. I'm anxious to see how well it fits, and how far forward it extends into the header panel. I feel that if it doesn't extend far enough forward, the air flow could still go over top the radiator and support. Even if it's not as long as I would like, it would be a great start for the price.

I bought that SN95 spindles and stashed them away a couple months ago.  I have been watching the market for a while and the prices for the spindles are climbing.  These were $100 directly off the car with the caliper and rotors along with the struts that I am not sure if I will keep any of the extras.
I paid 170 for mine a few years ago and that was considered a good deal. You did really good there. If you have any questions on the 5-lug swap, I'd be glad to help.

The extra E6 that i bought has a stich weld repair.  Not sure I should send that one out to be ported.  If I can get the T6 to spool as quickly at the IHI with the .48 that would be perfect for me at this stage.
It depends on the type of crack. A lot of them will have some surface cracks and it's not a big deal. The ones that crack and leak are the ones that are an issue. It certainly is worth doing if you can though. There are no downsides.

Funny about mentioning the car is clean.  It's been a New England car it's entire life and has some scars from it  Started off with the original owner in Massachusetts and then to my Step mother and Dad.  My Step mom used to commute into the Bronx as a school teacher with the car for a few years.  About 2008 when gas prices went up and her back started hurting from the clutch, she got a Prius for the tax deduction and save on fuel. There's dings on the car and some tree branches fell on it in 2011 from Sandy(?) so it has some dents.  It's in good shape but no where near a garage queen.
I feel that cars like this are the best kind. It's nice, but not perfect. I would feel guilty driving and modifying a perfect car. The history with the car makes it pretty awesome as well.

Be sure you triple-check the location of all of the holes you need to cut. None of them lined up on the cover I bought from them for my '83 (and I specified an '83 when I ordered). I drilled one pilot hole and then thought to check the locations. I would've been pissed had I not done that, as I had to alter all of them to get it to fit. Looked good afterwards, though.
That's a good tip on things to look out for.

Gumby's method of the through-floor SFCs would be what I would do if I was building a fresh car. At this point, my set-up is too much to redo, just for the sake of redoing it. I'm planning on reworking the rear of the cage though, so I can get a rear seat back in the car (Much to my wife's chagrin).
His current car has the more traditional style under-floor connectors, but I agree. If I had the skills to do them through-the-floor, I certainly would.

Of all of the cars you own, you're worried about this one having a back seat?
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on July 04, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
Of all of the cars you own, you're worried about this one having a back seat?

We get very little time that it's just two of us wanting to go to a show or an event. It'll get driven more if all 4 of us can go in the same car.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: gumby on July 04, 2021, 11:03:48 PM
Gumby's method of the through-floor SFCs would be what I would do if I was building a fresh car.
That's going waaaaay back!

ScottRod is making the underhood cover for our cars and called me to check on which year I had.  He said the latch location or shape changed depending on the year 83-88. 
http://scottrodfab.com/shop/index.php?id_product=186&controller=product
I'll be keeping an eye out on this thread. I'm anxious to see how well it fits, and how far forward it extends into the header panel. I feel that if it doesn't extend far enough forward, the air flow could still go over top the radiator and support. Even if it's not as long as I would like, it would be a great start for the price.
Be sure you triple-check the location of all of the holes you need to cut. None of them lined up on the cover I bought from them for my '83 (and I specified an '83 when I ordered). I drilled one pilot hole and then thought to check the locations. I would've been pissed had I not done that, as I had to alter all of them to get it to fit. Looked good afterwards, though.
I put the 87-88 version on my car, just haven't taken any pics yet. As Chuck said, don't blindly drill on the ScottRod locations; you will be disappointed.
I had to space the latch forward to hit their pre-cut opening, and drill for the radiator brackets and hood bumpers.
I put no rivets in mine; tucked the outside edge under the fender, and the inside seam is held down by the rad brackets. The front edge extends well into the nose, no worries there.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 06, 2021, 04:17:59 PM
The priority list changed last night.......Fuel Pump to the top of the list after it died!!!

I went to a cruise in last night where the engine just shut off as I was pulling in.  After trying to restart, I popped the hood to check the fuel pressure with the ignition on that read zero.  Cycled the key a few times to hear the pump whine and got it to start so i could get into a parking spot and rechecked the fuel pressure where it showed about 30-32 psi at idle.  The car needs to be cranked twice when starting cold of late and started pinging in 3rd gear recently so I have been driving it very mildly thinking I needed to do the plugs.  Kinda of an "Ah ha" moment. 

So relisted:
1. Fuel Pump
2. AFR gauge
then everything else.

Gumby & Chuck, Thanks for the tip on not blindly drilling the holes where marked.  Gumby, I like the idea of tucking the cover under the fender tab and the radiator brackets rather than drilling more holes.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 07, 2021, 08:03:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/t9krnbqm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QDI72Fxm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IsW2DQ2m.jpg)

Post edited for links / images

The slot for the hood hinge needs to be widened so the  middle SR Fab piece can fit flat.   There is a gap at the front of the sheets and the nose.  Not too bad though.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Aerocoupe on July 08, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
Are you sure its the fuel pump and not the piece of rubber between the fuel pump and the pickup assembly?  They rot out and crack causing fuel pump fail symptoms.  Cannot remember if you have already had the tank out and what not but thought I would throw it out there.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 08, 2021, 03:36:37 PM
Are you sure its the fuel pump and not the piece of rubber between the fuel pump and the pickup assembly?  They rot out and crack causing fuel pump fail symptoms.  Cannot remember if you have already had the tank out and what not but thought I would throw it out there.
I am not certain. Thanks for the tip and I will check while I have the tank and pump out.  
Picked a syphon up today to start emptying the tank although with all this rain nothing is going to happen unfortunately because I am working in my driveway this time.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 26, 2021, 08:27:26 AM
I got the tank back in the car Friday and everything buttoned up.  So far so good.

I didn't find any cracks in the rubber line on the pump in the tank, but replaced it anyhow for good measure.

Going on vacation in a couple weeks so prepping for that not sure when I will get back into the car for the covers and front spoiler.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on July 06, 2022, 09:43:02 AM
Almost a year has passed since last update.

Last year after the fuel pump issue got resolved (dam inertia switch), I have been just driving the car.  I recently turned down the boost a bit and have been driving it more to save on fuel compared to my truck.

The Scott Fab panels need some more tpuppies around the latch and I did put the edges under the fenders like Gumby's.  So far I am noticing lower engine temps even with the AC running.

I have continued collecting parts for the next steps.  I need to make an appointment with a ler shop to get the bung put in for the AFR wideband. 

I bought an adjustable TPS sensor from Stinger and going to replace the temperature sensor in the intake.  My idle gets wonky intermittently without reason.  No vacuum leaks.  Also rebuilt my adjustable fuel pressure regulator so planning to put that back on until I can do a PIMPX upgrade and better injectors...............or keep dreaming about a 363......or that 351W sitting in the corner mocking me.

Also sitting on the shelf waiting for next stages: 
T3 (waiting rebuild time)
E6 Manifold (needs send out for porting)
Gnari FMIC (wanted the aluminum tubing rather than steel)
Dual Piston BOV
MM Caster/Camber Plates
'94 SN95 Spindles
Mach 1 front spoiler
Rear End Fluid change


Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on August 24, 2022, 08:41:51 AM
Had a visitor Sunday. 
Original owner, fully loaded, '87 TC.

His rear deck spoiler wasn't in good shape and I had another that he could make work or scavenge parts from.

(https://i.imgur.com/vFzc0B3l.png)

I have more parts arriving next week and a club dyno day in October but thinking I may not have everything ready in time and rather not rush it.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on February 16, 2023, 01:42:28 PM
I finally got the wideband O2 sensor installed in the car.  I've had it on the shelf for well over a year never finding the time for an exhaust shop visit.  I bit the bullet yesterday and went to a reputable "Go Fast" shop to have it installed.  Paying hurt, but it is finally done. 
They did a nice clean install and mounted the gauge in my glove box so I don't have the thing staring at me all the time.  Real happy.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on February 16, 2023, 10:09:46 PM
What WBO2 and gauge did you install?
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on February 17, 2023, 07:44:42 AM
AEM Wideband and gauge.  I got them off Stingers site.
I had heard mixed reviews on the AEM and really wanted the Spartan, but there was none available when I went to purchase.  Now a year later......
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on April 12, 2023, 10:14:23 AM
April Update

Other than the Wideband, I have not done any of the planned updates with the FMIC and etc.  Last year I did something to my back that cause sciatica and have been recovering enough to continue riding, but not up to bending over a car hood.

Changed the oil last week and took my son for ice cream for a first ride out after a winter.  Driver side front tire started rubbing around turns with bumps.  I didn't gain that much weight......

Dropped it off at the local garage  to inspect.  Driver side spring appears to be sacked.  Bushings are okay and ball joint.
Since it needs to come apart, the bushings and ball joints are getting replaced. 

Thoughts on the BMR Control Arms?  AA040H (SN95 length)  https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMR-AA040H (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMR-AA040H)

I am not ready to make the move to coil over shocks or lowering the car otherwise I would go directly to MM.  New England roads and Connecticut are just . 

RockAuto has a sale on the front coil spring MOOG 8606
Replacing the front struts with KYB GR-2 #235008
These parts are supposed to be arriving on Friday.
Also installing the MM Caster Camber Plates that have been waiting on the shelf.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Aerocoupe on April 13, 2023, 12:34:13 AM
You will hate the urethane bushings in those control arms. Get the Moog bushing kit and a ball joint to rebuild your stock control arms.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on September 25, 2023, 08:41:05 AM
I've had the front spoiler waiting over a year to go on the car and earlier this Spring found the rear spoiler.  Thanks to Clayton for the idea and telling me it was a Camaro rear spoiler.

(https://i.imgur.com/e6MMRCG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MIvhMgW.jpg)

I have been feeling guilty about not following Aerocoupe's advice on the front control arms.  I had already ordered the front arms by the time he had posted and so far I really like them.  When the urethane unhinges I will rebuild the originals as Aerocoupe advised. 

The front suspension has been rebuilt with new springs, struts (KYB G2), and the control arms.  Also added the MM Caster/Camber plates that have been sitting on the shelf waiting.  Rear shocks were replaced too with KYB G2.

Improvements in driving are definitely noticeable although the ride is stiffer than the worn out OEM shocks/struts.  Handles like it is on rails (to my feeble driving prowess) even though it sits high.  New England roads are horrible so not being lowered is wanted for me not to bottom the car out.
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Chuck W on September 25, 2023, 10:50:28 AM
@Aerocoupe

What do you mean by "unhinge"?
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: gtbird on September 25, 2023, 02:33:39 PM
Car is looking good Mike.
Heading back towards Florida this Sunday!!!
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Mikey97D on September 29, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
More cosmetics.  Windows tinted 30% with headlights and corner lights polished.

(https://i.imgur.com/M91h4SCl.jpg)
Title: Re: Work In Progress. '88 TC
Post by: Aerocoupe on December 21, 2023, 10:43:55 AM
@ Chuck

I have no idea.  Most likely my iPhone auto correcting me again so I edited it to "bushings".

I ran urethane bushings in my 85 TC and they came out the next weekend.  To me they made the ride harsh and made the rear suspension twitchy.   I had replaced the springs and dampers at the same time but I just could not deal with it as it was.  Installed all new rubber OEM type bushings in the front LCA's, rear LCA's, and in the rear UCA mounts on the rear end.  Problem was gone and the car rode and handled as expected.