Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain March 26, 2014, 11:14:30 AM Ok so I have my 88 tc, an my 88 xr7. And a Lincoln mark. First off I've read the cool cats writeup on the h.o. Swap. A bit confused. If I have a 5.0 cougar the swap should be straight forward? I would like to use the Trans and motor from the Lincoln. From what I understand it should be a plug and play scenario no? I'd also like to use the disc rear from the tc. I know I'll need the booster. Can I use the stock master? Do I need the front calipers? The tc is a decent car but I like my cat wayyy better.. Sorry if anyone around the central mass area would like tc parts I'm me Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #1 – March 26, 2014, 12:15:31 PM The swap should be straight forward. Check to see that the pan is the same, if not, swap them. Don't forget to swap the ECM as well. This will make the injectors have the same firing sequence as the plugs. I would not swap to TC rear brakes without swapping to TC fronts as well. Check out the 11" upgrade in coolcats. I would try the stock master first. What I have learned is the smaller bore in the master gives more stopping power. If the pedal seems to low or touchy, then you can use one with a larger bore. To make it work right you will need to change the distribution block. From what everyone here says, just gut the one you have and install a manual prop valve. This will give you proper bias front to back. I haven't got that far yet. I did a 5 lug swap in the front and have not touched the back yet. Still waiting for a TC rear for it's gears. I would also suggest for you to just swap the entire rear axle out of the TC. That way you will get not only the discs, but the added power of the deeper rear gears. As for gas mileage, the gear swap will not change highway mileage enough to notice, but it will make the in-town gas mileage muuuch better. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #2 – March 26, 2014, 05:29:11 PM Swapping the engine from the Mark VII is straight forward: remove the 5.0 from your Cougar and install the 5.0 HO from the Mark VII in its place. Then just swap the Cougar computer for the Mark VII computer. Done.The transmission is a different story. The Lincoln Mark VII AOD is about an inch or so longer than the AOD in your Cougar. To use it you would have to have the driveshaft in your Cougar shortened. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #3 – March 26, 2014, 06:55:20 PM Ok cool thanks guys for the info! Btw.. Could I just use the tc prop valve with the tc master and booster? And my original plan is to use the entire tc rear anyway. Also has anyone tried using the Lincoln driveshaft? Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #4 – March 26, 2014, 09:44:57 PM If the front is TC, Rear is TC, booster is TC and Master is TC, I don't see why the prop valve can't be TC. I am glad Thunderjet 302 was able to fill in the gaps I left. I would have never guessed the Tranny was longer in the Lincoln. With the right driveshaft it should perform in the same manor. As for the Lincoln driveshaft, just take some measurements. If it is an inch shorter and bolts up to the rear yolk it should be fine. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #5 – March 26, 2014, 09:56:20 PM Yeah I figured. I'm out of work with a broken wrist this week. So I should be able to start this project this weekend. I've also been contemplating pulling the Trans, clutch pedal and master out of the tc and holding onto it until I find a 5.0 bell housing and flywheel and clutch.. I think if all goes well I'll have a nice little setup.. And I was thinking I might just use the front spindles from the bird too? So that way there I'll have all tc brakes and rear.. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #6 – March 26, 2014, 09:59:45 PM Mark 7 has a longer wheel base.There are several different yoke as well. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #7 – March 26, 2014, 10:18:58 PM Quote from: Haystack;431319Mark 7 has a longer wheel base.There are several different yoke as well.Yep the Mark VII has a longer wheel base by about 4 inches. Drive shaft won't work. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #8 – March 26, 2014, 10:20:11 PM Quote from: massCougarxr7;431318Yeah I figured. I'm out of work with a broken wrist this week. So I should be able to start this project this weekend. I've also been contemplating pulling the Trans, clutch pedal and master out of the tc and holding onto it until I find a 5.0 bell housing and flywheel and clutch.. I think if all goes well I'll have a nice little setup.. And I was thinking I might just use the front spindles from the bird too? So that way there I'll have all tc brakes and rear..Standard? Sweet! I would like to do that myself. The price of a new 5.0 flywheel keeps me from jumping right into it. Yes, I would use the TC spindles. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #9 – March 26, 2014, 10:21:17 PM Quote from: Haystack;431319Mark 7 has a longer wheel base.There are several different yoke as well.Darn! Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #10 – March 26, 2014, 11:32:38 PM Ok other than some odds and end stuff can anyone think of anything else worth saving? Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #11 – March 27, 2014, 12:35:33 AM Swap the mark 7 junk in the turbo coupe. Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #12 – March 27, 2014, 08:34:46 AM What do u mean swap the mark stuff into the bird? Like motor ? I dnt think I wanna pull the dash and swap harnnesses.. And besides I like the cougar a lot more... Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #13 – March 27, 2014, 08:53:05 AM Quote from: massCougarxr7;431359What do u mean swap the mark stuff into the bird? Like motor ? I dnt think I wanna pull the dash and swap harnnesses.. And besides I like the cougar a lot more...Swapping dash harness is totally unnecessary, anyway the LSC harness is he last thing you want...Those have air suspension and ABS intertwined with the engine harness, the TC uses two separate harness, still nothing plugs in... I built interface harness to connect the 5.0 engine harness to the TC body/dash harness with plugs from 5.0 bird body harness and 2.3 engine harness... Connected color for color and that's probably 75-'80% of the wiring mods necessary...Never done it but there shouldn't be any reason the tail shaft of the Lincoln trans can't be trimmed and the tail housings swapped from Coug trans... You may have to swap shift levers as well... TC 5-speed D/S is same length as 5.0/AOD shaft(or at least close enough to work)... Quote Selected
Couple tech Qs. Engine and drivetrain Reply #14 – March 27, 2014, 11:30:53 AM Quote from: massCougarxr7;431334Ok other than some odds and end stuff can anyone think of anything else worth saving?If you have room to store it, anything that's good, and in demand. Swaybars, control arms (front) wheels, doors if no rust, glass, etc.Don't overburden yourself with stuff though...I recently sped a shiznit-ton of Tbird stuff that I couldn't get rid of. Still have some more uncommon pieces and door glass though. Quote Selected
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