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bleeding the master cylinder?

I'm trying to get more brake and stopping out of my 87...since the rebuild, its been a little weak on stopping. Even before the rebuild, I remember it never stopping on a dime, or being able to really lock the brakes up on the car.....

So... after I installed the rear end with disk brakes, I knew I needed an adjustable prop valve.... I installed it this week, and I now have rear braking, but its the same quality as I had before, not really great in the stopping dept.. I bled the  out of the lines, and now I'm wondering if maybe I need to re-bleed the master cylinder, or perhaps maybe the MC was going before I did the rebuild.
maybe I should just upgrade the MC, and plan for larger calipers down the road?


any ideas , tests, or thoughts on this situation would be great
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bleeding the master cylinder?

Reply #1 –
also keep in mind that I also added some extra weight to the car, and the tires are larger then stock on turbine rims
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #2 –
How does the pedal feel right now? 
Is it spongy and soft or hard with little travel
1987 T-Bird TC: 5-Spd, 5-lug conv., CHE Rear CAs, '04 Cobra wheels and 13" Brakes, Vac Assist conv: '93 Cobra BB/MC & Wilwood PV, Gutted/Knived Intakes, T3 turbo, RFE6 Mani, Stinger 3" Exhaust & Oil Feed, 255HP Walbro, Kirban AFPR, RR Cam, Esslinger Cam gear and Round Tooth Conv., Gillis Boost Valve, Speedway Dual Valve Spring,  K&N, 130a 3g Alt conv., 140mph Speedo
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bleeding the master cylinder?

Reply #3 –
depends..... backing out of the garage going slow, it feels hard and stops quick.... driving, the pedal feels about average, (not supper hard, and not super spongy). it's def not stopping the car quick enough for it to be safe though.  I tested the back brakes with the rear end in the air... the brakes stop the wheels during idle, unlike before the adjustable prop valve.. they also dont seem to hold them tight enough. a small touch of gas and they will spin.....

it def feels all 4 wheel related, and not a front to back adjustment.
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #4 –
i just had a thought that maybe the MC ran dry while I was working on the car, but I never removed it, and I have pics of it still full of fluid while working on the car
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #5 –
Do you still have stock brakes up front or did you upgrade to 11" Mustang/Turbo Coupe rotors and calipers? My Thunderbird still has the stock brakes up front and 10" drums in the back. It will lock the tires in a panic stop.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

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Reply #6 –
I still have stock brakes up front .. Calipers, and pads are also new with the rebuild, along with all the brake lines. Calipers in the rear were still working when I got the 8.8 rear.. They also have new pads , and lines
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #7 –
can I do a pressure test on the MC?
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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bleeding the master cylinder?

Reply #8 –
Dude you built a tank! At least put stang brakes up front. You will improve it some. I put the adjustable prop on mine and ending up opening up almost all the way to get it to what I liked.
You put a lot of steel and weight in that car.
Old Grey Cat to this.88 Cat, 5.0 HO, CW mounts, mass air, CI custom cam, afr165's, Tmoss worked cobra intake, BBK shorty's,off road h pipe, magnaflow ex. T-5,spec stage 2 clutch, 8.8 373 TC trac loc, che ajustables with bullits on the rear. 11" brakes up front. +

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Reply #9 –
How much weight  in weld was added.lol
Old Grey Cat to this.88 Cat, 5.0 HO, CW mounts, mass air, CI custom cam, afr165's, Tmoss worked cobra intake, BBK shorty's,off road h pipe, magnaflow ex. T-5,spec stage 2 clutch, 8.8 373 TC trac loc, che ajustables with bullits on the rear. 11" brakes up front. +

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Reply #10 –
Get a set of 11 inch spindles, followed by this.....

http://ssbrakes.com/i-10092994-disc-brake-kit-front-1-single-piston-with-11in-rotor.html

I have that very kit on my front end minus the master cylinder.  It uses the 73 mm calipers as opposed to the fox Mustang's 60's.  I have 10 inch drums out back.  Personally I'd use a master that has a reservoir and low fluid switch.  You could always call SSBC and see what they would sell the kit without the master for....
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Reply #11 –
Quote from: V8Demon;447174
Get a set of 11 inch spindles, followed by this.....

http://ssbrakes.com/c-1088691-categories-brake-kits-front-disc-brake-kits-single-piston-front-kits.html

I have that very kit on my front end minus the master cylinder.  It uses the 73 mm calipers as opposed to the fox Mustang's 60's.  I have 10 inch drums out back.  Personally I'd use a master that has a reservoir and low fluid switch.  You could always call SSBC and see what they would sell the kit without the master for....


That's some crazy shiznit.
Old Grey Cat to this.88 Cat, 5.0 HO, CW mounts, mass air, CI custom cam, afr165's, Tmoss worked cobra intake, BBK shorty's,off road h pipe, magnaflow ex. T-5,spec stage 2 clutch, 8.8 373 TC trac loc, che ajustables with bullits on the rear. 11" brakes up front. +

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Reply #12 –
Quote from: Kitz Kat;447172
How much weight  in weld was added.lol


I was into my 2nd roll of wire........ 5 pounders plus all that frame steel. Think that was an extra 70lbs right there...lol
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #13 –
Paul, as much as I would love to do that...right now isnt the time....the vert is the project for now...EFI, and paint by winter..


I have another MC out of the parts bird...I think I should try that next if I cant remedy the brakes...

Kitz, I also had to crank the adjustable prop all the way to get rear brakes too
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5.0 HO 306 roller block, machined GT-40P heads, Wiseco dished forged pistons, Eagle forged floating I-beam connecting rods, Lunati pushrods, ARP bolts, Scorpion aluminum 1.6 rockers, Comp Cams Magnum 266HR, Explorer intake, 65mm TB, MAF Conversion, 19# injectors, Ford Racing stainless P-headers, 2-1/2" cat-less exhaust w/ Flowtech Afterburner lers , SC AOD with 2800 BDR torque converter, 3.73 T-Lok rear, CHE rear control arms, full 2-1/2" frame w/1" jacking rails & seat supports, Rear disk brakes, Turbine wheels, All original interior w/ floor shift upgrade .......
Pretty much every panel on my 87 is new, rebuilt, or re constructed. :D
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Reply #14 –
It sounds like your current master cylinder is a bit wore out
If you plan to swap it out I would also consider swapping in a 93 cobra brake booster,  it will give you that extra braking power you need
1987 T-Bird TC: 5-Spd, 5-lug conv., CHE Rear CAs, '04 Cobra wheels and 13" Brakes, Vac Assist conv: '93 Cobra BB/MC & Wilwood PV, Gutted/Knived Intakes, T3 turbo, RFE6 Mani, Stinger 3" Exhaust & Oil Feed, 255HP Walbro, Kirban AFPR, RR Cam, Esslinger Cam gear and Round Tooth Conv., Gillis Boost Valve, Speedway Dual Valve Spring,  K&N, 130a 3g Alt conv., 140mph Speedo
Running Better Than Ever :burnout: