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    So it happens a friend of mine that i work with knows i am nut for 80's Fox body cars. He says to me a few weeks ago, your Cougar looks a lot like my uncles 2 cars, he just passed away and trying to sell them for my elderly aunt. So here is what i discover....


    Car #1 is a 1989 LSC with 35K original pampered miles. The Uncle who was an old guy bought from another old guy who passed away, and lived most of its life under a cotton cover in a heated garage. (Thats the one I'm buying) Totally original unmolested car. Needs a good cleaning on the inside, and some leather conditioner. Same color scheme as my Thunderbird and Cougar. (Silver Paint, Blue Leather interior) At least i am consistent.

    Car #2 is a 1991 LSC with higher miles and was a daily driver for him. I think that car was modded somewhat, because the exhaust sounds amazing on it. Black interior, and loaded. (This is going to be Paul's car)

    All i can say is we are grabbing both cars for less than 4K total, so a good day in Fox land. Many photos to follow as soon as the cars are in hand.








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    That's awesome! I love a dark blue interior.

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    Nice!

    Last time I got a tip, "hey there's a thunderbird you'd like over on so-and-so road". I drive clear over there and it's a rotten old 1979 for $4000. Not my style, lol. I never get the good tips
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    ^^^ LMAO been there done that. It always seems to be a tip for something barely relevant. And in dubious condition. And wanting the moon for it. Funny stories.

    Mark 7's....yeah I just love those things. Maybe someday. A little jealous can't lie! Cannot WAIT to see the pics of these machines, they sound like real dimes...

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    Well both of you welcome to Mark VII land . Being that you both have 5.0 Fox Cougars the Mark VII isn't much different. Well except that it has a 5.0 HO from the factory. Most of the systems are the same as a full loaded Fox Thunderbird/Cougar with two exceptions: the air suspension and the ABS system. Being that I've been living with a '91 Mark VII LSC for over two years I have some pointers on each system.

    Air Suspension:

    Forget the "it's sooooo expensive when it breaks and it's unreliable" bullshit. It's really easy to fix. The "it's sooooo expensive to fix and unreliable" label come from poor people who buy the things (or any old luxury car) and have no money to fix them correctly when out of the ordinary parts fail. If you can't afford the car when it's new you certainly can't afford to fix it when it's old . Don't bother with a coil spring conversion. It's a $500 dollar waste. You can replace all the air springs for $500 or less. The air suspension is really simple to fix. First things first when you buy the car preform maintenance on the suspension air dryer: http://thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/doc...h/airDryer.pdf Other than that you may have to replace some O-rings on the system. Those are readily available at your local hardware store in the plumbing section. Air springs are cheap (you can get all 4 for ~$400) and can be changed out in your driveway with hand tools. You don't even need a spring compressor just a ratchet and a pair of pliers . The only component of the air suspension on my Mark VII I've had to replace is the driver's side rear air spring solenoid. It failed open and would cause the spring to deflate. It was $30 for a new one at a local Advance Auto (which had it in stock!). Everything for the air suspension is available from the aftermarket (Arnott and Suncore are the preferred vendors) except the ride height sensors. Fortunately they virtually never fail.

    ABS:

    The Teves II ABS in the Mark VII is great. When it works correctly. If it needs repair outside of an accumulator or pressure switch you're SOL as far as other new parts. If the pump or valvebody of the Teves is bad prepare to pony up $900-$1000 for a rebuilt unit. I've had to replace the pressure switch on the unit in my Mark VII. It was leaking break fluid through the electrical connector. Apparently they do that when they go bad. The pressure switch is still available new from AC Delco for less than $100 (yes I know GM part but many late 80's early 90's GM cars used the Teves II ABS system and it's the same as the pressure switch in the Mark VII). I like to keep my cars original but once this Teves system dies I'm converting it to regular power brakes using a SN95 master, booster, and prop valve. This system is so old/hard to find parts for that yes it's worth replacing unless you must, must, must have the car completely original.

    For Paul:

    You're going to want to upgrade the engine. Yes it's a 5.0 HO but it's in a car that weighs 3700lbs with no driver. It will hit 60mph from a dead stop in about 7.8-8 seconds. Barley faster than most 4-cyliner econboxes and 4-cyliner mid size sedans. The difference in acceleration between my Thunderbird (3550 without driver, 3705 with me in it) and my Mark VII (3720 without driver, 3870 with me in it) is astounding when driving the cars back to back. The Thunderbird has about 120hp more and it feels like it. I really think that a Mark VII at minimum needs a 347 to be fast, due to the weight.

    I really do like my Mark VII. I prefer the 90 and up dash to the 84-89 version for the control placement. I think the 88-89 "turbine" style LSC wheels are the best Mark VII factory wheels. I like them much better than the BBS style wheels on the 90-92 Mark VII LSC. I found a set of 88-89 wheels locally and swapped them on my Mark VII. Now I have the car with the dash board I like best and the wheels I like best.




    I think you guys will like your Mark VIIs. After all they are basically a Fox Thunderbird/Cougar .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrad235 View Post
    That's awesome! I love a dark blue interior.
    Yeah it's really odd that this color combo keeps finding me.
    Quote Originally Posted by CoogarXR View Post
    Nice!

    Last time I got a tip, "hey there's a thunderbird you'd like over on so-and-so road". I drive clear over there and it's a rotten old 1979 for $4000. Not my style, lol. I never get the good tips
    I am very lucky on this deal, both in getting 1st crack, and also having Paulie be able to jump in to make it easy to move both cars and seal the deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZondaC12 View Post
    ^^^ LMAO been there done that. It always seems to be a tip for something barely relevant. And in dubious condition. And wanting the moon for it. Funny stories.

    Mark 7's....yeah I just love those things. Maybe someday. A little jealous can't lie! Cannot WAIT to see the pics of these machines, they sound like real dimes...
    Wait till you see my before/after interior shots on the 89.

    Quote Originally Posted by thunderjet302 View Post
    Well both of you welcome to Mark VII land . Being that you both have 5.0 Fox Cougars the Mark VII isn't much different. Well except that it has a 5.0 HO from the factory. Most of the systems are the same as a full loaded Fox Thunderbird/Cougar with two exceptions: the air suspension and the ABS system. Being that I've been living with a '91 Mark VII LSC for over two years I have some pointers on each system.

    Air Suspension:

    Forget the "it's sooooo expensive when it breaks and it's unreliable" bullshit. It's really easy to fix. The "it's sooooo expensive to fix and unreliable" label come from poor people who buy the things (or any old luxury car) and have no money to fix them correctly when out of the ordinary parts fail. If you can't afford the car when it's new you certainly can't afford to fix it when it's old . Don't bother with a coil spring conversion. It's a $500 dollar waste. You can replace all the air springs for $500 or less. The air suspension is really simple to fix. First things first when you buy the car preform maintenance on the suspension air dryer: http://thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/doc...h/airDryer.pdf Other than that you may have to replace some O-rings on the system. Those are readily available at your local hardware store in the plumbing section. Air springs are cheap (you can get all 4 for ~$400) and can be changed out in your driveway with hand tools. You don't even need a spring compressor just a ratchet and a pair of pliers . The only component of the air suspension on my Mark VII I've had to replace is the driver's side rear air spring solenoid. It failed open and would cause the spring to deflate. It was $30 for a new one at a local Advance Auto (which had it in stock!). Everything for the air suspension is available from the aftermarket (Arnott and Suncore are the preferred vendors) except the ride height sensors. Fortunately they virtually never fail.

    ABS:

    The Teves II ABS in the Mark VII is great. When it works correctly. If it needs repair outside of an accumulator or pressure switch you're SOL as far as other new parts. If the pump or valvebody of the Teves is bad prepare to pony up $900-$1000 for a rebuilt unit. I've had to replace the pressure switch on the unit in my Mark VII. It was leaking break fluid through the electrical connector. Apparently they do that when they go bad. The pressure switch is still available new from AC Delco for less than $100 (yes I know GM part but many late 80's early 90's GM cars used the Teves II ABS system and it's the same as the pressure switch in the Mark VII). I like to keep my cars original but once this Teves system dies I'm converting it to regular power brakes using a SN95 master, booster, and prop valve. This system is so old/hard to find parts for that yes it's worth replacing unless you must, must, must have the car completely original.

    For Paul:

    You're going to want to upgrade the engine. Yes it's a 5.0 HO but it's in a car that weighs 3700lbs with no driver. It will hit 60mph from a dead stop in about 7.8-8 seconds. Barley faster than most 4-cyliner econboxes and 4-cyliner mid size sedans. The difference in acceleration between my Thunderbird (3550 without driver, 3705 with me in it) and my Mark VII (3720 without driver, 3870 with me in it) is astounding when driving the cars back to back. The Thunderbird has about 120hp more and it feels like it. I really think that a Mark VII at minimum needs a 347 to be fast, due to the weight.

    I really do like my Mark VII. I prefer the 90 and up dash to the 84-89 version for the control placement. I think the 88-89 "turbine" style LSC wheels are the best Mark VII factory wheels. I like them much better than the BBS style wheels on the 90-92 Mark VII LSC. I found a set of 88-89 wheels locally and swapped them on my Mark VII. Now I have the car with the dash board I like best and the wheels I like best.


    I think you guys will like your Mark VIIs. After all they are basically a Fox Thunderbird/Cougar .
    Thank you so much for the great tech and info, really appreciate it. I just joined over at Mark VII forums too. 1st post is in The Welcome Center.


    Quote Originally Posted by jcassity View Post
    so did you two do it like the show ,, dickering?
    Nah, i wish i had a dramatic story of weeks of backbreaking wheeling and dealing. Sadly, its just a nice old Armenian lady, whose husband is gone and the cars are just a burden to her. She needs them gone both financially and emotionally, and does not want her kids fighting over the cars or proceeds. This was a $3500 deal for both cars, and for a total of $2000 + New 2 year reg of $180, i would say for a near new 35k survivor, this was a very good deal for all involved. I think the 91 car that Paulie is buying is modded to some extent, the exhaust note on that car was badass.








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    Some preliminary pics:

    The 89:












    The 91
















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    I've been looking for one of these myself. Damned nice score!
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    nice find, I also prefer the LSC, the Bill Blass models don't really do much for me.
    Current: 1986 Thunderbird, 105k 3.8/C5, 2 tone Midnight Wine/Medium Taupe, wing windows, wire wheel covers.


    Former: 1985 Cougar GS 115k Oxford White/Regatta Blue, 5.0, full console, 14" 8 hole aluminum T-Bird rims, Edelbrock valve covers.

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